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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:05 PM
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Davis demands hearing on MoveOn.org ad
Hey, watch this (andNOTthewar)!

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/davis-demands-hearing-on-moveon.org-ad-2007-09-18.html

Davis demands hearing on MoveOn.org ad
By Klaus Marre
September 18, 2007

The ranking Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform wants to convene a hearing on whether The New York Times violated campaign-finance laws when it granted a discounted rate for MoveOn.org’s “General Betray Us” ad.

Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.) asked committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) Tuesday to convene a hearing on the issue, saying that any rate change “for political advertising could constitute an unlawful campaign contribution.”

According to media accounts, the “open rate” for the ad should have been $181,000. The liberal group said it paid $65,000.

“The difference between the ‘open rate’ and the actual rate paid by MoveOn.org raises the possibility that The New York Times, as a media company not subject to campaign-finance restrictions for its own messages, unlawfully subsidized the message of MoveOn.org by giving it a discounted rate for its advertisement,” Davis said.

The lawmaker wants the panel to investigate the newspaper’s advertising rate structure, whether others had been offered the same rate as MoveOn.org, why the group had to play significantly less than the “open rate” and whether this constituted a violation of campaign-finance laws.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:07 PM
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1. You'd think davis would be careful
his victory margins in his northern VA district have been shrinking.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:08 PM
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2. Better haul Rudy G in, too.
He got the same "stand by" rate for his rebuttal ad in the NYT.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:13 PM
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21. Any links to that?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:21 PM
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34. Sure....
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:09 PM
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3. Ok, then lets see what the
right wing churches have been doing too while we are at that? Maybe they don't want to go there.

Eli was on Air America yesterday he said that they did not receive any discount rate frome the NYT.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:09 PM
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4. I pray Waxman (who is my congressman)does not go along with this drivel - the Dems
have got to keep their focus on the issues that matter, not get bogged down by these Repuke mis-directions.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:10 PM
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9. I hope your congressman kicks my congressman's ass!
this is the second time in a week he's pulled this bullshit. He wanted Waxman to investigate Bill Clinton last week.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:09 PM
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5. Hey, Tom Davis (R-VA) -- READ THIS!
You're a FUCKING MORON! Hold some hearings on this fucking war, you ignorant douche bag! Ad rates are not etched in stone. They're very fluid in ANY publication depending upon how close the publication is to deadline, charitable status, unsold ad space, etc. You, Tom Davis, are just another Bush water-carrying fuckface looking for a little glory with your stupid base of even-more-ignorant-than-you Republican simpletons.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:11 PM
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10. ha ha.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:11 PM
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14. Tommy-boy's base is quickly slipping away..
and he knows it. These are acts of desperation on his part.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 PM
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26. So true!
Shows ya where these idiot's minds are at..fucking wasting time, blood and energy on bullshit.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:09 PM
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6. Screw you Tom!
FAUX NEWZ violates campaign finance laws on a daily basis, where's your outrage and concern ther? What a fucking tool, and he's my tool unfortunately.. :mad:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:10 PM
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7. I always negotiate with ad sales reps.
granted that's a pretty big discount from the open rate, but not unheard of if you sign a frequency agreement.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:10 PM
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8. what 'campaign' did the ad champion? The way I read it was
that we need to put pressure on to end the war, and not be lied to any more-

How is this honestly a 'campaign' issue?

And what candidate did it benefit?

:shrug:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:17 PM
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25. Exactly. It was an issues ad. n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:23 PM
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27. thanks- i was
wondering if i'd read it wrong-:shrug:

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:11 PM
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11. Davis has his accountability moment.
Iraq war profiteering? Illegal spying on American citizens? Department of Homeland Security audit? Nope. He wants to have a hearing about someone who hurt his feelings.

We'll be waiting. Some day he'll get a clue.


LOL
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:13 PM
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19. He's got his hands in the pockets of defense contractors..
that's whose bidding he's doing. He's more pathetic than a two-bit whore.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:11 PM
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12. Yes because a discount rate
to MoveOn is what is really hurting this country. :sarcasm:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:12 PM
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15. I agree. The 9 billion missing in the Iraq rathole is nothing compared to this!
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 01:12 PM by Beelzebud
:D
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:11 PM
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13. Oh give it a rest, you stupid republicans
The issue is THE WAR, not this advertisement.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:12 PM
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16. Appropriate Democratic response:
"Go Cheney yourself!"

Tesha
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:12 PM
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18. Or cut his mic, and shut the lights off while he's still talking.
lol
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:12 PM
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17. Yep..Let's talk about FOXSNOOZE , shall we??
That's a REALLY BIG donation, isn't it?
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:13 PM
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20. He'll probably go on Fox News to sing a cry song about it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:14 PM
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22. This is great! Way to go flaunting your assholishness
Tom. Good work!
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:16 PM
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23. Henry, let Tommy-Boy hold his own hearing in a room down in the basement!
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 PM by NI4NI
UNOFFICIALLY like the reptiles made Conyers do in late 2005 early 2006
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:26 PM
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28. That would be RICH! I'd love to see that, and yes, I have no shame. nt
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:16 PM
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24. Tom Davis who wants to challenge Mark Warner for Va Senate?
:rofl: No wonder Mark is about 60 points ahead of him right now.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:29 PM
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29. Strike a nerve did they?
With all the bullshit these guys have pulled don't ya just love it when their feathers get ruffled over something like this? Yeah, that ad is right up there with Vitter cheating, Foley text messaging and Craig tap tap tapping. Friggin moron
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:33 PM
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30. Reframe --GOP is talking about an Ad because they do
to discuss their agreement to an openended policy in Iraq
and the Bush Doctrine.

Call attention to GOP instead of permitting them to try to slime
MoveOn and thereby slime Democrats.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:53 PM
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31. Tell Davis he can hold his hearing in Storage Room B!!!
Isn't that where Conyers was told to hold his Downing STreet Memo hearings?
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:56 PM
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32. NYT ads DO cost around $65,000
I know, because publishers pay for full-page daily ads all the time, and the rate they're quoted is $65,000. I should know since I've written the checks. It's a rate that all businesses get.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:03 PM
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33. Ghouliani got the same discount for his political ad
His ad ran a few days after MoveOns.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:30 PM
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35. They didn't grant a discounted rate! Ask Rudy who paid the SAME price for his Hillary bash ad!
Davis is an idiot. Anyone who wants a full page ad and is willing to go on the "First available space/wait and see list...gets the ad for the $65,000. All he has to do is ask the NYT for a copy of Rudy's bill....it was $65,000!

He can demand anything he wants to demand....but guess what? HE'S NOT IN THE MAJORITY ANYMORE!!!:rofl: It's not going to happen, Tom!:rofl:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:50 PM
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36. My congresscritter - and that's what passes for a moderate here in the Old Dominion.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 05:52 PM
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37. Good luck with that
NOW the Repukes want accountability?
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