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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:56 AM
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IMPORTANT! Daylight Savings Time adds four weeks! We spring forward on Sunday, March 11, 2007...
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 06:08 AM by Radio_Lady
and fall back on Sunday, November 4, 2007. Companies may be caught off guard by this change. This is the first year that the new US law is in effect. Airlines hate it, but candy companies love it. Kids will have an added hour of daylight for Halloween (October 31) in the US.

Did you know anything about this? I just learned of it yesterday, and the four-week change to Daylight Savings time could prove to be the new Y2K. Let's hope we get this information out soon!

See the following overview link for some initial information on the dates and how they might affect Windows products:

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst

On a personal note, we're flying to Hawaii on 3/11/2007. Lots of airline equipment and computers will not be updated. Wish us luck! We'd better be at the airport early -- and I'll bet lots of people will be surprised by this change.

Have a great week!

Radio Lady in Oregon

"Sure, I'll fix your clock, kiddo!" Time teaching clock for children and grown-ups:

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:00 AM
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1. More details on this important new 2007 time shift
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 06:02 AM by Radio_Lady
The U.S. Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by the U.S. Congress July, 2005, extended Daylight Saving Time (DST) in the U.S. by approximately four weeks. As a result, beginning in 2007, DST will start three weeks earlier on March 11, 2007, and end one week later on November 4, 2007, resulting in a new DST period that is four weeks longer than previously observed. These four weeks are referred to in this article as the "extended DST period". Visit MSN Encarta for more general information on DST.

Previously DST started on: First Sunday of April (04/01/07)
With the new law, DST will start on: Second Sunday of March 03/11/07

Previous DST ended on: Last Sunday of October (10/28/07)
With the new law, DST will end on: First Sunday of November 11/04/07




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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:10 AM
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3. See also here...I was curious if any of the EU is shifting then too?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:15 AM
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5. Thanks, 48 Percenter! That link refers mostly to 2006, but there is some updating.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 06:30 AM by Radio_Lady
You have to scroll down to see it.

Good to meet you on the DU. I appreciate that link.

Is it time for a (political and Presidential) change yet? You bet...

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:35 AM
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10. In which country? LOL
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 06:38 AM by 48percenter
You mean Merkel the Ferkel? Or DimSon?

I'll keep looking to see if Germany is changing in March too, that would be awesome! We get such long days in the spring and summer.

Edit, looks like March 25th for us. We always changed a couple weeks earlier than the US anyhow. I don't think they will change this date to March 11th.
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:05 AM
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2. Why do we put up with this shit? Why do we "the people" let our
lives be turned upside down twice a year?

Could someone really explain this to me in a rational way.

It makes no sense to me.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:14 AM
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4. Good morning, sunshine! There are two good books on the history of Daylight Savings time.
Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time by Michael Downing (Paperback - Feb. 1, 2006)

Seize the Daylight: The Curious and Contentious Story of Daylight Saving Time by David Prerau (Paperback - Mar. 12, 2006)

You can also search on the Internet for details. Please, let's not fume about who did this to us. We have more important things to think about.

Have a good week!











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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:28 AM
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16. Thanks, but I still want it to stop. There is no good reason for this. n/t
Hope you have a good week as well. What's on your calendar?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:15 PM
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19. Writing my review of the new film "Music and Lyrics" with Hugh Grant.
I took a girlfriend to the preview last week and we both enjoyed it very much. I'm giving it a B+ on Ellen's Entertainment Report Card. Opens on Valentine's Day 2/14/07.

Doctor's visits for hubby and self tomorrow. We're having some ultrasound screenings of carotid arteries and aorta. Just routine, I hope.

The Portland preview of "Breach" is tomorrow in the PM.

Howzat? Thanks for asking!

P.S. Are YOU one of the hearts on my messages?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:16 AM
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6. how about we just pick a time and stick with it... DST is a pain in the ass
that throws my system out of whack a couple weeks or more. I don't really see any Y2K-esque issues arising from this, however it is a royal pain.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:23 AM
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8. Too late to complain, Ixion. See the Internet for information on...
how to comply. Sorry to be the bearer of "bad news."

In the news this morning:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/16678210.htm

That’s ‘spring forward’ this year on…March 11?
While few of us were taking notice, Congress set a new start for daylight-saving time.

From The Washington Post

WASHINGTON | It seems so simple and familiar: Spring forward, fall back.

For 20 years, that’s what Americans — and their technology — have done with clocks on the first Sunday in April and the last Sunday in October.

But in August 2005, Congress lengthened daylight-saving time by four weeks in the name of energy efficiency. The change starts this year on March 11.

That has angered airlines, delighted candy makers and sent thousands of technicians scrambling to make sure that countless automated systems switch their clocks at the right moment. Unless changed by one method or another, many systems will remain programmed to read the calendar and start daylight-saving time on its old Sunday start date in April.

It’s one thing to arrive an hour late for church on the first day of daylight saving. It’s another for a security system to log the wrong time of crucial events, for pilots to misunderstand their takeoff times or international communications components to stop synchronizing. But such scenarios are possible without the fix to vast numbers of the nation’s technical systems.

As IBM noted on its Web site: “Any time-sensitive functions could be impacted by this change. … It is important for users to assess their environments and develop appropriate plans for applying the necessary changes.”

The challenge carries faint echoes of the year 2000 scare, when governments and corporations feared that computer systems would go berserk the instant 1999 flipped to 2000. But it has received nothing near the same level of attention. In fact, large swaths of private and corporate America seem oblivious to the approaching change, according to analysts and technicians who track Web sites and swap information with colleagues nationwide.

“After building bunkers in the desert for Y2K, we’re not even talking about this, and it’s happening in less than two months,” said Matthew Kozak, an information technology specialist at Rutgers University who monitors numerous sites and discussion groups.

Even in the banking industry, where ATMs time-stamp every customer transaction, awareness of the March 11 change is limited.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Daylight-saving time expands

WASHINGTON | For many widely used devices, automatic updates to the new daylight-saving time should prove easy.

Cell phones should flash the correct date and time because they receive such information directly from their service providers. Similarly, the Internet will automatically update clocks on many personal computers that use relatively up-to-date software.

But Microsoft cautions that some of its older products — including Windows XP SP1 and Windows NT4 — will require manual updates. The company’s Web site provides detailed instructions on how to update various products, although it is pushing against the deadline in some cases.

Updates and tools “are being developed and tested,” the Web site says, and some will “be released through early March 2007.”

As a fallback, Microsoft urges customers to double-check meetings scheduled during the four weeks being added to daylight-saving time this year.


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| The Washington Post

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:19 AM
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7. curse Mitch Daniels
he put Indiana back on DLS - I have lived with and without DLS time (in and out of the state) - and I definitely prefer living without it.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:25 AM
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9. Sorry, I don't know Mitch Daniels, and I hate to curse... (The grandkids are listening!)
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 06:28 AM by Radio_Lady
:sarcasm:

Please don't aim at the messenger!

This is not a petroglyph. It is a coffee time clock!

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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:56 AM
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12. Coffee time, so simple a caveman could do it!
Just could not resist.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:58 AM
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13. "My Man Mitch" Daniels was OMB director (budget guy) for W
and is now the Governor of Indiana. A good euphemism can be used in place of the old-fashioned curse ;-)
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:36 AM
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11. I love DST
I tend to hibernate in the winter. The longer days keep me more active, and give me more fishing time in daylight.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:31 PM
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20. I think northern tier of US states may be better served with DST, But, it's an individual thing.
Do you have children?
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:47 PM
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21. Eh?
Daylight savings time doesn't make the daylight hours any longer, it simply changes the human designation of the particular hour of the day. With or without DST, the daylight time will get longer because of the change in the Earth's position. And while the length of our daylight increases in the Northern Hemi, it decreases in the Southern Hemi- but this doesn't have anything to do with DST.

Or am I missing something here and completely misunderstanding your post? :)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:44 PM
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24. It's a shift of time. I understand it completely. When I lived in Florida,
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 02:45 PM by Radio_Lady
it didn't seem to mean much, because the sun strength and position closer to the equator overcomes the disparity. It doesn't mean much in Hawaii, either, for the same reason.

However, in both Massachusetts and Oregon, which are both at approximately the same higher latitude, the time shift in April (now March 11) gives us the the appearance of more daylight in the morning. I remember that the kids could stand on the street corner waiting for their school bus, and after Daylight Savings time came in, they would be in light starting in the spring. The reverse is true when we "fall back" in October, (now November 4) when the days are shortening as we head to the Winter Solstice.

Class dismissed! Have a wonderful week!

PS. If you read the two books I cited in my previous post, you can get the background and understand the intrigue on how this all happened. I'm trying to get one of the authors to do an audio show with me in March.

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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:39 PM
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60. But the amount of daylight is still certain, and unchanged by the clock
Whether you live in Bangor or Miami, you only get X number of hours of sunlight each day. DST can't do anything to increase X, only the position of the Earth can change X.


People associate these 2 things, but really in truly, DST has absolutely no bearing on the number of hours of daylight. I promise.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:50 PM
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64. What is your point? We're going round and round. Why?
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 04:56 PM by Radio_Lady
Are you trying to convince me I'm wrong?

My ballpark teaching of this concept is: There are eighteen hours of daylight in summer, and six hours of darkness on approximately June 30.

In winter, this is reversed, and we have eighteen hours of darkness, and six hours of daylight on approximately December 31.

(Please don't tell me these aren't the EXACT solstice days -- I already know that. I know the angle of the sun changes with the seasons, and the tilt of the earth has an influence also, as does the latitude and longitude of your location.)

The only thing that changes is how we organize these hours on our clocks. This is an artifice and has been imposed by the government for a variety of reasons for many decades.

That's all. Good bye and good luck.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:24 AM
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14. wow....when i saw the subject i thought you meant that we....
...have to set our clocks ahead 4 weeks this year for daylight savings time. pretty extreme.

of course, down here in the tropics we dontdo DLS.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:16 PM
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27. Sorry for the confusion. I composed that topic in the middle of the night..
I think I could have done better. Appreciate your comment!

Happy Valentine's Day when we get there!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:14 AM
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75. well...to be honest, i didn't really think that we had to set the clocks....
...4 weeks ahead. i figured you were just making a joke. anyway, after i read the post it was very clear what you meant.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:50 PM
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76. Thanks, Gato. How are things in the tropics?
I'm packing for tropical weather in Hawaii -- March 11 to April 1.

Have a good Valentine's Day!

In peace,

Radio Lady
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 09:55 AM
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82. wow...three weeks in hawaii!
what have you got planned for the vacation?

next vacation, come on down to central america. you'd love it down here.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:13 AM
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83. Gato, check your private message! Don't think we'll get to C.A., but
we'll be in Hawaii in March and Florida in December.

That's about as tropical as I can take (not a hot weather fan, sorry).

Nice to speak with you on the DU!

Radio Lady in Oregon
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:26 AM
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15. So called Day Light Saving Time doesn't save anything.
It is like ctting one end off a blanket and sewing it on the other. There is still only 24 hours in a day. You just get up earlier and con yourself into thinking you are getting up at the same time.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:54 PM
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26. It lets me work in the yard at 9pm and still have plenty of light.
It has the effect of stealing sunlight from waaaay early in the morning when it's not benefiting anyone and tacking it on to the end of the day. Yeah, it's a pain to switch clocks twice a year, and yes, this year is a REAL pain with the date changes (I'm an IT admin so trust me on this), but overall I love DST.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:17 PM
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28. Hi, Trotsky. I came to the same conclusion years ago in NYC and Boston.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 03:19 PM by Radio_Lady
We were raising five children at the time. Now we travel a good part of the year, so what's another wrist watch to fix?

I guess if you work in a clock shop, you'd feel it was a drag. Incidentally, many of our devices automatically update anyway. This will be just a little glitch before people figure it out.

In peace,

Radio Lady
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:54 AM
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17. I knew this was passed but...
I didn't realize it was coming right up on us. Thanks for reminding me. I am still using last years calendar. I just moved the days over by one and had to get use to Monday being where Sunday usually is.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:21 PM
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29. Still using last year's calendar? That would drive me crazy, but good luck!
Thanks for the post, Cobalt Violet.

PS. We bought a European calendar that has Mondays on the left hand column (not Sundays).
I had to get rid of it. Too difficult for me to process. Just like driving in the UK countries. I'm not that responsive!

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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:10 PM
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73. I like the pictures.
Tiger pictures. I didn't find one I liked this year. I really don't look at the dates all that much anyway.

I didn't know that about Euro calendars.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. "Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!" I love tigers. I think I got the last postcard with
Siegfried and Roy in Las Vegas -- with a white tiger on it!

In peace,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 08:10 AM
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18. you know what's so weird is my computer is already affected
the other day a reply to an email I sent was dated March 11, 2007, but all my other emails are dated properly. the email reply came from an MSN addy. tripped me out for a bit, had no idea of this time change.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:35 PM
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22. That's kind of spooky... almost a full month in advance?
Are you at work? Or at home?

If at work, I'd talk to someone in Information Technology about that.

If at home, I haven't a clue. Can you reset your own email date somewhere? We have Comcast Webmail, so it's done for us.

In peace,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:13 PM
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47. home, but it's the only email that did that, so it was probably
their end. now I understand why that particular date was there though. kind of.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:18 PM
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49. SNAFU City, but we'll get it straightened out -- I'm sending this link to my friends, putting it in
my DU Journal, etc. etc.

On edit:

One of the 2007 calendars in our home -- Claude Monet's paintings has DST on the wrong dates. I called the John Turner company in California and they are aware that all of their 2007 decorative calendars were printed incorrectly.

I wrote the information in by hand.

Thanks for your comments.

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:44 PM
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23. I hate this DST shit, and now they are extending it
fuckers think they're god or something

it's the ultimate "we OWN you, we CONTROL you, you MUST do what we say and live by OUR clock!" bullshit
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:22 PM
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30. I loathe it too.
When I lived in Arizona they didn't change the time. Although, that was almost worse because we were on Pacific time part of the year and mountain time the other part and it got confusing when I made long distance calls to my parents and friends trying to remember if they were an hour or two hours ahead of me.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:52 PM
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35. Sorry to hear that. I don't know which town it is, but there is one town that has DST on one side
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 03:53 PM by Radio_Lady
and not on the other.

Maybe someone remembers where it is. It's on a state line as I recall.

How MUCH fun THAT must be!!!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:28 PM
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31. Here's where you should live... no taxes, no DST, no problems! (PHOTO)
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 03:32 PM by Radio_Lady
:sarcasm:



Little Palomino Island, Puerto Rico
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. Hah! You think it's sarcasm, but I would LOVE to live there!
:D

(as long as they have internet access, that is)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:04 PM
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44. LOL.There's a very LONG CABLE, under the sea, and out to the reef...
(You can't see it, but it's there.) The IT people are in the two sailboats in the upper half of that photo.

However, if you're looking for WiFi, forget about it... We have to draw the line somewhere.

No cellphones either.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #39
56. count me in, too
I would LOVE a deserted island..(except in a very bad storm).. :scared:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:29 PM
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57. You'd need a LOT of sunblock on Little Palomino Island...
Judging from the two sailboats, you might have some company.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. who are "they"?
In DST, each time zone simply adopts what is normally the time in the zone just to the east. In that sense, it's no more controlling or owning anyone than having time zones in the first place.

Or are you anti-time-zone as well? :)
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. Damn right I'm anti-time-zone! Who isn't?
It's discrimination of the highest order! NO TIME ZONES I say!

:D
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. OK. I get up at 5 am anyway, so I'm up before the sun most days.
I'm ready!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:51 PM
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25. I heard it was a clerical error
we now have to stick with. Could that be true??
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:55 PM
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36. You can "Google" it yourself, but the Windows site upthread has some of the background.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 04:00 PM by Radio_Lady
Doesn't sound like a clerical error to me.

This is a republic. We vote for government representatives who pass laws for us. This is one of the laws that passed back in 2005. Read it... and weep, if you must! :sarcasm:

"The U.S. Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by the U.S. Congress July, 2005, extended Daylight Saving Time (DST) in the U.S. by approximately four weeks. As a result, beginning in 2007, DST will start three weeks earlier on March 11, 2007, and end one week later on November 4, 2007, resulting in a new DST period that is four weeks longer than previously observed. These four weeks are referred to in this article as the "extended DST period". Visit MSN Encarta for more general information on DST.

Previously DST started on: First Sunday of April (04/01/07)
With the new law, DST will start on: Second Sunday of March 03/11/07

Previous DST ended on: Last Sunday of October (10/28/07)
With the new law, DST will end on: First Sunday of November 11/04/07

I just told my daughter about it, and her new 2007 calendar has the information printed on it. We purchased a calendar in England last May when we were there. That one does NOT have the new dates.

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:26 PM
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55. ends later than ususal too--thanks for the info!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:31 PM
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59. Yes. That's right. You might check your paper calendars -- one in my house has the
wrong information. The printers did not know about this law... so many decorative calendars which you purchase or even get for free -- could be misleading.

No problem. Public service is what we broadcasters do.

In peace,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:31 PM
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32. I wonder if my computer got the message.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 03:32 PM by Blue_In_AK
:shrug: In truth, Alaska needs more daylight saved in the winter than in the summer. What's the point of daylight savings when you have 21 hours of daylight anyway?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:01 PM
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40. Yes. Towards the North pole, things get pretty dicey.
Never thought of it that way.

Thanks, Blue_In_AK. Appeciate your chiming in!
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:40 PM
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34. While we're at it, let's *shift* back to 2000 and count the votes right this time!!
Hey, as long as we're making shit up anyway....
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:07 PM
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46. Hey, I'm with you. I wish I could 'make it so' as Picard used to say on 'Star Trek'.
Did Kirk say it earlier before Picard? I can't remember.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:56 PM
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37. Urgh, this is going to become confusing.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:14 PM
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48. Well, they thought the world would stop spinning when Y2K was just upon us.
I think the geeks will figure it out.

Just spring forward on March 11, and plan to get to church at the correct time. You'll lose one hour's sleep.

Makes no never mind to me...

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:23 PM
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52. I lose an hour?
DAMMIT!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:25 PM
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54. But you find it again in the fall! Don't stress too much.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 04:33 PM by Radio_Lady
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:42 PM
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62. But I need my sleep
;_;
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:59 PM
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66. Get some now if you want to! I could use a nap but I'm too busy!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Hard_Work Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:59 PM
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38. Am in the process of updating
103 servers as we speak! The Netware ones were a piece of cake, but the MS ones require a registry change.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:21 PM
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50. Oh, dear, Hard_Work. I don't envy you. Will that take you a long time?
The amazing thing is -- you are able to do this at all! Way beyond my talents or interests! My husband will handle our two computers, and other technology in our home.

Me? I'm still using my abacus!
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Hard_Work Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:53 PM
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65. Nah, it's not difficult
It does take some time, though. Microsoft says they will have a patch, but I can't bet the farm on them.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:02 PM
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67. Here's the patch I'd suggest for Microsoft: (PHOTO):
At least, we'd be able to laugh a little if it didn't work!

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:02 PM
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42. Whew.. for a minute there i though we were gonna start having 56-month years
:evilgrin:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:22 PM
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51. OT: An author in Nevada told me there was a shift of the magnetic pole a year or so ago.
I don't recall reading about this. Do you?
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:03 PM
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43. This will suck ass for about a month
It's going to be pitch black where I live until about 7:20-7:30...REVERSING the sunrise time back to where it is around the Winter Solstice. Changing DST will also have harmful affects for rush-hour commuters and school children who need parents to drive them to school, or even to the bus stop.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:24 PM
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53. That will occur in November, won't it? They just shifted it by one week later.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 04:27 PM by Radio_Lady
Three weeks sooner in spring, one week later in fall.





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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:31 PM
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58. I'm more concerned about the March portion
Moving the "falling back" part a week further out isn't as bad as "springing ahead" by almost a MONTH earlier.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:39 PM
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61. One of us is confused. When you spring forward, 1 AM becomes 2 AM.
Pretty much wherever you are in the US, the sun will appear to rise EARLIER (because you've lost an hour) and it will be BRIGHTER in the morning. People going to work and children going to school will have MORE SUNLIGHT in the MORNINGS.

The diminished light will affect the evening side of the clock. It will be darker earlier when people are coming home.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I've battled through this for years when I did my nightime and then my daytime radio show. Also, it affected me more when I was working -- in retirement, not so much.

Peace.


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:47 PM
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63. Kind of.. but the days are longer anyway in that time of year, so when you
leave the office at 5PM (it's kind of 4PM-ish)and you have longer daylight AFTER work..

and at 5AM (it's really 4AM, so it is longer til dawn)

In the fall it's the opposite..darker earlier :)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:05 PM
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68. Thanks for your comments.
In peace,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:07 PM
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69. To all users of Windows XP & Vista
Please go to your Windows Updates and click on the Custom tab and see if there are any updates that deal with the time changing...Should be 2. If not in the Custom (formerly recommended updates) then use the top tab for Critical updates...download and install....BD
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:52 PM
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71. Shalom, BenDavid... thanks for posting. Hubby is going to handle this later tonight!
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:16 PM
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70. I love DST, and I have Issues with people who object to it -
Bottom line, it gives people an EXTRA HOUR OF SUNLIGHT in the afternoon: an extra hour of outdoor time for both children and adults. At the least, it makes it possible for the majority of us - those who have to work the standard 9 to 5 - to at least be able to make the commute home in daylight. Daylight and the outdoors are good for the human soul; they're certainly good for mine!

(Sure, we lose an hour of light in the early morning, but MOST people don't take their outdoor time at ungodly hours like 6 or 7 am. I really don't mind waking up just before the sun comes up - it's kind of nice to wake up with the sun, rather than have it blazing away as soon as one opens one's eyes.)

So if DST gives the vast majority of us more opportunity for outdoor time and sunlight, why do some people object? I guess there are some lost souls who curse the light and love the darkness. There are other people who don't have to work, or who can set their own schedule, so DST is no great gift to them. I guess there are also some people whose lives are so taken up by technological gee-gaws that reprogramming their computers / sound-systems / home entertainment centers is the only thing that DST means to them. Get aquainted with what's outside the four walls of your little existence; you might enjoy life a little more if you do!



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:55 PM
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72. Hi, smalll with three L's -- I appreciate your wonderful comments.
Thanks muchly...

Good night and good luck,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:52 PM
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77. Thanks! And good night and good luck to you too -
:)
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:12 PM
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74. I'm not a morning person, so I like DST....
Here in Minnesota, it stays light out until 10pm or so around the Summer Solstice.

I don't mind losing the hour of daylight in the morning because I'm sleeping anyway.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:55 PM
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79. When we visited Scotland in the summer, the sky says dimly lit almost all night!
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 08:56 PM by Radio_Lady
I was up around 3 AM one night and the sky was still glowing. Didn't realize they were so close to the Arctic Circle!

We'll be back there this summer, too -- making our own "grand tour" back to England, Scotland, France, and a new country, Belgium.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:23 PM
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80. Still running into people who are surprised by this! Send it to your address list for real info...
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:25 PM
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81. Why do arlines hate it?
:shrug:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 06:16 AM
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84. Good question. Maybe someone in the airline business could explain it more fully.
I guess they have to alter their schedule twice a year. Must create some printing problems. They would also have to re-program their computers.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 07:59 AM
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85. Another reason to hate Republicans
I don't work for the airlines, but I do work in IT for a large organization. The impact on IT is enormous. First you have waste a lot of time you don't have assessing the vulnerability of all your systems then you have to figure out how to patch them, and in what order. If you have hundreds of systems it becomes a huge resource drain.

It must be especially painful for the airlines. First you have to identify all the records in your database that are in the weeks affected and back them up. Then you apply the patch that tells the system the new timezone rules. Then you have update all the affected data. For airlines this could be millions of records. Most of this has to be done offline, which is anathema to 24X7 systems.

Airlines also probably have to look at the impact of international flights. The times airplanes were supposed to arrive and leave are now changed so there will be delays and maybe some missed connections.

Every system is slightly different. Oddly Windows servers are the easiest to fix - they don't even require a re-boot. Linux systems seem to be the hardest. My Linux sysadmin says it's like taking your car to the garage and having them fix everything except the engine. Most other flavors of Unix require a simple patch and reboot. None of this is easy when you have hundreds and hundreds of systems to coordinate.

Some energy plan!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:36 PM
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87. Oh, my goodness... I had no idea. Wish you luck in your efforts.
And lots of coffee...

My husband was hired to work though the Y2K problems with a large medical company here in Portland. That was in 1997. He worked on the project through 2000, and said that many of the things you mention have a corollary in the work he had to do.

Thanks for your comments.

In peace,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:12 AM
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86. One of the first bizarre bumper stickers I ever saw
Daylight savings first came to be when I was a kid. I still remember seeing a bumper sticker that said

LEAVE GOD'S TIME ALONE!



My sister who was about 10 said "Dad, God didn't create clocks!" We still talk about that as the first time we realized conservatives were idiots. LOL
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:42 PM
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88. Wow! That IS funny! Do you recall about what year that was?
I'm trying to get author Michael Downing as a guest on my show. He wrote an interesting book about the history of Daylight Savings Time. He was supposed to do my show when the book came out.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:22 PM
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89. Early to mid 60s?
I remember we got daylight savings time about the same time we got zip codes.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:47 PM
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90. That sounds about right. Thanks for posting.
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