Good artlicel on so call 'wronged' Border Guards

[blueinindiana]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/12/navarrette/index.html

[bullimiami]

1. bushworld. where murder and a coverup are fine if

you murder the right kind of person.

[JacksonWest]

2. It's a commentary that's missing a lot of facts.

Both of these agents got screwed. They did lie, and they should pay the price for that. But the sentence was harsh for a non-fatal shooting.

The primary thing that's fueling the "pardon" drive is that one of them wasn't sequestered in Prison, and got the living shit kicked out of him. After the prison agreed to separate him from the general population.

Like I said, these guys did lie. If they hadn't lied about the shooting, they wouldn't be looking at any prison time.

The tone in the commentary just screams "the people that support these guys are unreasonable and harsh, so now we're going to be unreasonable and harsh".

Yeah, it's people's lives. I don't think anyone should spend more time in prison then they deserve. I think immigration is fucked in this country, and both sides of the issue don't look for solutions. just flame bait for the voters.

[blueinindiana]

3. So if u get beat up in prison u get pardoned? NT

[JacksonWest]

4. No. But if you write an article or commentary about something, it should include all the facts.

I don't mind if they get pardoned, or if their sentences get reduced. I don't think society benefits from keeping them in prison. And the prison really dropped the ball, by letting the other inmates get at them.

The "article", clearly labled a commentary, isn't good because it doesn't inform the reader about key facts. It's misleading, and as I said before, encourages a thuggish, republican mentality.

Hurray for our side, 2007.

[William Bloode]

5. In this situation yes.

Any law enforcement officer must be segregated from gen pop. Why? Because they will be made pure victims, beaten, raped, and most likely killed. By not isolating them in protective custody they endangered their lives and safety.

[blueinindiana]

6. Maybe the people in charge of jail shoudl be fired but ...

just because they where beat up does not mean they deserve a pardon even if they are targets of abuse plenty of people are targets of abuse in prison.

[William Bloode]

7. Well lets see.

it's not the beating itself but the danger they were placed in. Very bad judgment. Just like anyone else who gets screwed by the JustUs system i stand by their side. The police knew what the danger was. Protective custody for law enforcement is the rule, not the exception.

[JacksonWest]

10. Agreed. Let;s not lose sight of morality simply because some idiots made these men pawns

in their cause du jour.

[William Bloode]

11. Yes, agreed.

I am no fan of law enforcement, and many of their tactics. They do however deserve the same considerations as any other prisoner, as far as safety concerns.

You treat your enemy as well as you would like to be treated. If you choose to abuse, or neglect them that very same neglect/abuse may be used against you.

[atreides1]

8. Some other aspects

From the SFGate.com, 02-07-07

According to the evidence presented at the trial, including the agents' testimony and their statements after the incident, here are the facts: On Feb. 17, 2005, at about 1 p.m., Compean and Ramos were on duty along the U.S.-Mexico border when they observed a suspicious vehicle -- a van that turned out to be loaded with more than 700 pounds of marijuana. The driver -- later identified as Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila -- jumped out of the vehicle and tried to run back into Mexico. Ramos and Compean both testified that they made a point of looking at the suspect's hands and saw no weapon. Compean fired at least 14 rounds and Ramos fired once. Ramos wounded the suspect and saw him limp into Mexico. The agents then collected the shell casings and filed false reports, trying to cover up the incident.


From K-FOXTV, 01-22-07

Ramos' attorney Mary Stillinger held a press conference Monday, claiming that although it was her client's shot that hit the smuggler, it was Compean who actually fired the majority of the shots and picked up the shell cases.

Stillinger said, "In reality, Mr. Ramos only fired his weapon one time. It's very important, because it sounds very bad. I think it's convenient to lump the two together, because it sounds bad that they shot 15 times."

According to Stillinger, Ramos couldn't see Compean and the smuggler when he fired the lone shot.

Prosecutors have said that testimony from fellow agents showed that Compean and Ramos never took cover, therefore they didn't feel threatened.

Compean allegedly admitted in court that the suspect had tried to surrender.

From CalNews.com, 02-08-07

Immunity for Aldrete-Davila and two Border Patrol Agents: The fact U.S. Attorney Sutton gave immunity to the Mexican Aldrete-Davila means nothing. Why, as a grant of immunity could actually only be conferred by a judge and only with permission of a Senate confirmed officer in the Justice Department at a much higher pay grade than that of Johnny Sutton. In fact, it would not surprise this writer if the Attorney General himself gave approved the immunity and the prosecution of Ramos and Compean. Sutton also granted immunity from prosecution to two Border Patrol agents who were on the scene and testified against Ramos and Compean. Critics fail to mention this fact when they complain that these men are "heroes" when, in fact, they are nothing more than criminals.


Hell, Ramos may just be a victim of misplaced loyalty, but that's the choice he made, and now he's stuck with the consequences.

[blueinindiana]

9. Anytime the 'right-wing' starts crying you know something is up.

JUst cause Lou Dobbs and the rihgt-wing media says something is true does not make it so!

[not_a_robot]

12. Ah so nice

To see that these good men should not be held responsible for attempted murder because they have a badge. I'm with you brother!