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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:27 PM
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Ahmadinejad's REAL meeting with U.S. Clerics
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 02:53 PM by cali
Somebody posted a piece of Propaganda off Ahmadinejad's website about a meeting he held with a fringe group of Rabbis who want to see Israel peacefully disappear until the coming of the Messiah. The point of the propaganda was, well, the point of all propaganda. But Ahmadinejad did have a real meeting with Christian Clerics that was respectful and interesting. There were no Jews- they wouldn't come and no Baha'is- he wouldn't meet with them. This is what working for peace looks like.

From the NYT:

Ahmadinejad Meets Clerics, and Decibels Drop a Notch

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: September 27, 2007

After two days of prickly confrontations with critics at Columbia University and the United Nations, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran held a friendly, even warm, exchange yesterday with Christian leaders from the United States and Canada convinced that dialogue is the only way to prevent war.

The session, held under tight security at a chapel across the street from the United Nations, was a reminder that Mr. Ahmadinejad is a religious president of a religious nation who relishes speaking on a religious plane. He spent his 20 allotted minutes at the start of the two-hour meeting recounting the chain of prophets central to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and the commonality of their messages.

He took questions from a panel that included a Quaker, a Catholic, an Anglican, a Baptist and a representative of the interfaith World Council of Churches, some of whom separately said they had been criticized by other religious leaders for sitting down with the Iranian president. Given the furor over Mr. Ahmadinejad’s earlier appearances, there was no advance publicity.

The gathering, which included an audience of about 140 other religious leaders, was organized by the Mennonites and Quakers, churches known for their commitment to pacifism.

The organizers said that they had pressed hard to find a Jewish leader to join the panel of questioners, but that those invited declined because they could not win support from Jewish organizations.

“My heart was broken that there was so little support from other religions to be here,” said Mary Ellen McNish, general secretary of the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker group that helped sponsor the event. “If we don’t walk down this path of dialogue, we’re going to end up in conflagration.”

Mr. Ahmadinejad’s smile at times turned to a grimace as the panelists prodded him, politely, about his record on the Holocaust, human rights abuses, Israel and nuclear weapons development. Also politely, he conceded nothing, and often deflected the inquiries by turning the spotlight on the policies of the United States and Israel.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/world/middleeast/27clerics.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:34 PM
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1. "could not find support from Jewish orginizations"
Cant anyone think or act on their own??
I thought that part of the job of a true leader was that sometimes you have to make
tough decisions that arent always popular with those you lead.
If I were a Jewish leader, I'd jump at the chance to hold this guys feet to the fire.

I know, now I'm not only an Ahmadinejad cheerleader but I'm also anti-semitic.
sue me.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:55 PM
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4. I doubt anyone will call you an anti-semite
for that comment. I agree with your sentiment that "If I were a Jewish leader, I'd jump at the chance to hold this guys feet to the fire."

The article itself is quite interesting. I suggest reading the whole thing.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:06 PM
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9. Just substitute "George Bush" for Ahmadinejad in the propaganda
posted Monday and see how it reads.

You are correct to question--anything.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:36 PM
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2. Goddamn Quaker propagandists.
Why do they hate America?
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:42 PM
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3. It's cause they're sandal wearin hippies.
Gotta keep your eye on them types.
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Win Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:01 PM
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5. What Dilbert says about that
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:03 PM
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6. Good find, Cali, thanks for posting. K&R
As Winston Churchill once said, "Jaw-Jaw is better than War-War."

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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:57 PM
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7. Propaganda
Could you explain how this was not propaganda if the meeting with the Neturei Karta was?

video of Ahmadinejad's vist with Neturei Karta

"It is always our pleasure to visit with President Ahmadinejad. This will be the third such meeting, in addition to our many visits to Iran in the past.

"We have each time emphasized to the Iranian leadership that, despite media hysteria and the statements of some misinformed Jews, we have found the Iranian people and their leaders to be friendly and respectful," Weiss wrote.

According to Weiss, the international accusations that the president is a warmonger are not true, and Israel is to blame for the tension in the Middle East.

"Likewise, although we as Jews are not to be involved in politics, we have found the Iranian President to be a deeply religious man, dedicated to a peaceful world, based on mutual respect, fairness and dialogue.

"Judaism seeks peace. Unfortunately, there are some Jews today, influenced by the barely century old, philosophy of Zionism, who feel that the proper Jewish response to enemies, be they real or fantasized, is aggression and calls for violence and unfortunately attempts to drag other nations down the path of war.


If he met with Muslim leaders in New York would it be propaganda or not to you?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:22 PM
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10. Cali is referring to the specific post--WHICH SOURCED THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF
AHMADINEJAD--on Monday.

Is the White House website news or propaganda?
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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:05 PM
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12. The White House website can be news or propaganda
depending on what they post on it.

When the White House website tells you where the president was today and what he did it is news.

When they post statements from the president expressing his opinions it is propaganda.

Cali appears to be saying that when Ahmadinejad meets with Jews in New York it is propaganda, but when he meets with Christians it is not. Although now he is saying that the only thing that made Ahmadinejad's meeting with Jews propaganda was the fact that information about the meeting was posted on the Iranian president's website.

Which is interesting to say the least.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:26 PM
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11. Anything off Ahmadinejad's official website
is propaganda,not news.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:03 PM
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8. Much as I think it's time for the subject to die, I will always call out propaganda when I observe
it.

Thank you, cali. I knew there was lots more to that story since the source was Ahmadinejad 's website.

How many of us swallow the stuff on the WH website whole? :shrug:
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