Michael Moore vs An Insurance Lobbyist- On Oprah - ABC - 4 PM est

[Breeze54]

Sick in America: It Can Happen to You


Michael Moore took on America's healthcare system in his latest film.
Now, both sides of the debate meet face-to-face.

http://www2.oprah.com/index_du.jhtml

September 27, 2007

The director of Sicko, Michael Moore, and a respected insurance lobbyist face off
in a healthcare showdown.

A healthcare economist and insurance lobbyist join the discussion. What they want every American to know.

Then, Lisa Ling puts some insurance companies on the line.

The healthcare showdown

http://www2.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200709/tows_past_20070927_b.jhtml">Six strategies for finding the right health insurance

https://www.oprah.com/plugger/templates/BeOnTheShow.jhtml?action=respond&plugId=290100001">Should healthcare be a right or a luxury? Tell us what you think!

Video at this link:
http://www2.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200709/tows_past_20070927.jhtml?promocode=HP11

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Healthcare Crisis

Meet some of the people telling their personal health care stories.
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The healthcare crisis has become a hot-button issue in American politics. As bills pile up, the cost of medical care is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the United States. On average, treatment for a brain tumor costs $200,000. A stroke—$140,000. Leukemia can cost up to $600,000. Would you be covered?

Oscar®-winning filmmaker Michael Moore takes on the healthcare industry in his eye-opening documentary, Sicko, released in June 2007. The film compares the American healthcare system with those of countries that support universal healthcare—and brings to light the hardships faced by patients who thought their needs would be covered by their insurance.

After Michael's first appearance on The Oprah Show, thousands of viewers wrote in to share their healthcare stories. "After seeing Sicko, I cried for hours, then became enraged," wrote a viewer named Teri. "While I'm searching for affordable healthcare, my daughter may die. Why can't we join together to change this? Where is the collective American heart?"

"Even though we have insurance, I cannot afford the medication for my rheumatoid arthritis," Kathy writes. "I have two sons in the military and feel it is a shame that my sons are willing to die for this country, and the same country cannot provide healthcare for their mother."

Oprah says the film changed the way she looked at the issue of healthcare in America. "It's an eye-opening experience, I think, for Americans, many who are like myself … who feel like, 'Well, I'm taken care of. My family's taken care of, and we're okay,'" she says.

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[snappyturtle]

1. Thanks for reminding me....just checked the schedule...it's 4:00pm CST

here in the hill country of TX....so people may want to check their local schedules.

[Breeze54]

3. You're welcome.

These stories are so sad and scary!!! :scared:

[supernova]

2. Just hit record on my Tivo

Thanks for the reminder.

[Breeze54]

4. I wish I had Tivo!

And you're welcome. I think everyone needs to watch that movie and this show!

I'm guessing Michael Moore's going to go off on the lobbyist!

[glarius]

67. OPRAH IS THE 1ST ONE TO GIVE MICHAEL A FAIR HEARING ON THIS!

I'm so glad he finally got the chance to answer the charge that in Canada, France, U.K. and Germany etc., they have long waiting lists. As Michael correctly pointed out....the waiting lists are not for serious or life threatening situations! I know this from personal experience. Someone close to our family had a sudden emergency out of the blue and was helicoptered to Hamilton, Ontario for immediate, life-saving surgery. (Cost...zero.) It was good to see Michael able to really speak to the insurance person, rather than the phony so-called debate John Stossel had going on 20/20!

[Breeze54]

71. Yup and this is the 2nd tome she's had hom on the show too!

I think Oprah tries to be fair, usually, except for that BO fiasco.

[earth mom]

5. Thanks for posting about Moore on Oprah-I was just thinking of doing the same. nt

[Breeze54]

6. You know what they say...

Great minds think alike. ;)

[earth mom]

53. Exactly!

O8)

[Breeze54]

54. Love your halo!

:P

[earth mom]

57. No angel here...just an imperfect person trying to help when I can.

:blush:

[Breeze54]

62. Well, there have been times that

I deserved a halo!! :rofl:

I was just kidding around with you! :hug:

[earth mom]

70. No worries.

:hug:

[glowing]

7. Oprah has become a delusional billionaire... Anyone who doesn't

realize this country's health care epidemic is living in la,la land. The right to life is one of our inherent principles. Health is a condition that helps us live our lives... and that means good environmental quality, food quality, health quality, and peace of mind.

[Breeze54]

11. Did she say that she didn't know that or is that her interview style?

Btw? It's 'de·lu·sion·al' not dellusional

[glowing]

107. Thank you, I fixed the post once I posted it... I still think super-rich

people are somewhat delusional until it smacks in their faces... most do not have a heart. I am not slamming her overall... just think that her mrich neighbors don't worry about these issues, and do not understand the full context of the rest of the people in America.

[Breeze54]

110. She actually did say that the insured, the chosen, don't have a clue!

She admitted that until Michael Moore's documentary came out that,

she too, was unaware of the extent of the problem. But I think many

people, rich and poor, were not totally aware of the extent of the issue.

That's why he made the documentary! ;)

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. She doesn't repeat at 4:00 here anymore, but she IS on again at 11:00 CST for those

who can't see it at 4:00, like me.

[LSK]

13. and me

:hi:

[Breeze54]

9. No health insurance is the # 1 cause of bankruptcy in America!!!

OMG!!! I didn't know it was #1 !

I knew it was a really bad but not to that extent!

:wtf:

[Jeanette in FL]

14. And the number 1 reason for homelessness.

Knew about the bankruptcy, but not the homelessness.

[Breeze54]

15. I'd guess they'd go hand in hand.

:scared:

[me b zola]

119. It's good to see you, Jeanette

It' been a long time :hi:

[Jeanette in FL]

120. Thank you

It has been a very busy year at work but things are calming down. :hi:

[MrCoffee]

10. "a respected insurance lobbyist"? respected by whom?

[Breeze54]

12. 'Respected' by the insurance companies, of course!

Who else? :shrug:

[supernova]

16. If he can get through today

and not come off like a jerk, he will have earned his paycheck (from the ins cos. POV, of course)

I don't envy him that job.

[Breeze54]

18. Do you mean Moore or the lobbyist? I thought it was a woman.

Experts Weigh In
A healthcare economist and insurance lobbyist join the discussion.
What they want every American to know.

Karen Ignani - Insurance Expert

[supernova]

20. The lobbyist

No not MM. :D

I just assumed the lobbyist was a man. Bad me. :spank: (I can't see the TV from where I'm using the computer.)

[Breeze54]

21. That's what I thought! lol

The older gent, Professor Rheinhart, is a healthcare expert and she's the lobbyist. ;)

[defendandprotect]

17. Just picked it up now . . .. Michael is wonderful !!!!

Can we have him as president . . .. PLEASE????

Actually, some one asked him about that and he said he liked being alive!!!!

[Breeze54]

19. lol...True and funny quote by Michael!

He is being cool headed, I have to say!

Now he's quoting (sort of) the bible.

What would Jesus do?

Bring your poor, sick, tired...etc.

[defendandprotect]

33. He's right . . . Jesus was a socialist!!! In fact, a big commie -- !!!!

[Breeze54]

36. Jesus was a hippie!

:P

and a socialist! He cared about people, not the bottom line.

Edited to add: I just realized I miss typed Jesus! Oops!

[defendandprotect]

65. And, Michael Moore isn't bad at it, himself -- Love him!!!

[superkia]

22. What are the chances that Kucinichs plan will be mentioned?

For a show on this topic, I would hope they would mention it but I'm not sure if they will because it IS Dennis Kucinich after all.

[Breeze54]

23. That would be good but I don't know. Did you see

anything, at the links in the OP, referring to any proposed health plans?

[superkia]

28. Didnt look. It would be nice for a national tv audience to know about it.

[supernova]

25. Good drinking game potential

in there somewhere about the probability of mentioning Kuch's bill. :rofl:

[Crunchy Frog]

24. Any way to watch this on line? n/t

[Breeze54]

26. There is a link in the OP to a video...

That's all I could find. This is a new show, new season.

[supernova]

27. She usually posts excerpts at her Website

or rather her staff do of course. But not the whole show.

[Breeze54]

88. TRY THIS!! --> Oprah Video Channel

http://www2.oprah.com/videochannel/videochannel_landing.jhtml

[Breeze54]

29. Linda Peeno, the woman that let a man die to get promoted in the insurance industry

is on the show.

Thursday, June 21st, 2007

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/21/1444235
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HMO Whisteblower Dr. Linda Peeno on the Subordination of Healthcare to a For-Profit System

A decade ago Dr. Linda Peeno made headlines when she told Congress about her work as a medical reviewer
for the giant HMO Humana, where she says she denied a man life-saving medical care in order to boost
company profits. She would go on to become one of the country's best known whistleblowers about HMOs
and the healthcare industry.

[Breeze54]

30. The lobbyist said that Linda Peeno's testimony made the

insurance companies go to independent review of claims.

Oprah's asking how can you tie medical care to profit?? How can you do that??

Lobbyist keeps saying that the concept of independent review is very important!

Blah, blah, blah...

[Coexist]

31. this is wonderful.

[Breeze54]

35. Oprah's crying, "But I can't wait for a 'review'!! I need the bone marrow transplant now!!

"I need the bone marrow transplant! I need the bone marrow transplant!"

While the lobbyist is trying to convince everyone how good they are! :P

--- went to break...

[cynatnite]

38. I'll never understand how they can get away with...

still calling bone marrow transplants experimental. They've been doing them for a long time now.

[Breeze54]

42. They still call them experimental?

Probably only the insurance companies call them that!!

They don't want to risk any $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !! :grr:

[supernova]

49. Everything is "experimental"

That's how the ins cos get out of paying for claims w/o saying outright, we deny the claim because simply it costs too damn much.

[Breeze54]

51. That shit needs to stop!!

All the underhanded lies by the Ins. co's needs to stop!

Did you read any of the 15 personal healthcare stories?? :cry:

[supernova]

72. Yes, it does

It's freaky common how much care is labeled "experimental."

I know this because I used to work at a National Comprehensive Cancer Center here and most of what the MD for whom I worked did was "experimental." Thus, not covered by the patient's insurance. In fairness, these were drug trials, so their care as far as hospital stays and administering the drug were picked up by the pharma companies. Still are in most cases.

[alfredo]

116. Or pre-existing

[Feron]

103. I loved it when the lobbyist said you could go to the best facility.

Yeah right.

Chances are it's out of network and you're SOL. And that's even if your insurance will pay for the procedure.

[cynatnite]

32. The lobbyist is making my head hurt

:puke:

[defendandprotect]

37. Her face makes my brain hurt - she must have overabundance of health insurance for plastic surgery-!

[live love laugh]

80. That's exactly what I am thinking. She sure has plenty of insurance for a face lift.

:puke:

[PA Democrat]

41. She's a liar. They are still paying people to find the flimsiest of reasons to deny claims

I've had it happen to me this year. The company, Assurant Health, that did it to me has a track record of paying people to deny claims. Delay, delay, deny. They belong in jail.

[Breeze54]

43. That's terrible and I agree!!

They do belong in jail!! Isn't that tantamount to murder? Collusion?

[PA Democrat]

52. Oh, I got them to pay. We threatened to sue them and filed a complaint with the state insurance

department along with information on the HUNDREDS of other similar complaints filed against this company. They played around digging through my medical history for more than three months, looking for proof that I had a preexisting condition. Within days of receiving notice of the complaint and our letter threatening legal action, they decided I didn't have a preexisting condition after all. The symptoms that they cited as their "proof" were completely unrelated to the claim I had filed. They are criminal.

[Breeze54]

56. Good for you!! I'm glad you fought back and won!!

Yes, they're criminals alright and all *'s buddies too! :grr:

We need to kick all those lobbyists out of DC!!!

[cynatnite]

60. They called a birth defect my husband didn't know he had...

a pre-existing condition and denied him the surgery he needed. This was a back injury he sustained on the job and it was workman's comp.

I hate insurance companies. We can't afford our over $700 per month insurance, but we can't afford to do without either.

[PA Democrat]

75. It's outrageous how they look for reasons not to pay claims. After all of the premiums you pay

all of your adult life, the first major claim and they pull that crap. I hope you went after them.

[cynatnite]

83. He was out of work at the time...

Workman's comp stopped everything as a result and the VA doctors said the VA would never approve the surgery. We went on welfare after that and he was able to get the surgery then. We had to damn near lose everything in order for him to get the surgery so he could go back to work.

This battle took almost two years to win.

[PA Democrat]

99. That's so wrong. I'm glad he finally got the surgery

but it's just wrong to make people fight like that. I just wish people who think that the problems with health care don't affect them would realize that it CAN.

[cynatnite]

106. Sadly, it usually takes a serious injury or illness...

to get them to realize how vulnerable they are.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

122. There was a brief sentence in a newspaper article on health care a couple of years ago

in which an insurance company executive said that they routinely denied claims the first time around in the hope that the patient and doctor would give up.

[defendandprotect]

34. I never knew this til I saw "SICKO" . . .. just astonishing!!! Should play on TV all day long!!!!

[Breeze54]

39. How many others did what she did??

Where are they? Living in their McMansions bought
with the blood of denied claims for medical care?

:puke:

[Chovexani]

73. Was she the same one in the film?

I don't remember, it's been a while since I saw it.

[Breeze54]

78. Yes she was! Here's a link to her testimony. (video and transcript)

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/21/1444235

HMO Whisteblower Dr. Linda Peeno on the Subordination of Healthcare to a For-Profit System

Listen to Segment || Download Show mp3
Watch 128k stream Watch 256k stream Read Transcript
Help Printer-friendly version Email to a friend Purchase Video/CD

[Chovexani]

90. Thanks!

What a courageous woman.

[shireen]

40. that insurance lady is slick

People like her are most dangerous. The deferential demeanor, "compassionate" responses are such BS.

[Breeze54]

45. Exactley! She chose her words and wording very carefully.

Sly like a fox!

[bobbolink]

98. Your insurance premium pays for her lessons in "chosing words"

They spend a LOT of money to psych us out!

YOUR money.

[Breeze54]

100. Not my money!! -- What makes you think I have insurance?

I'm not one of the lucky ones, sorry to say.

[bobbolink]

114. Nor am I. It was a collective "you."

[superkia]

44. Allot of talk about non profit health care and not a single mention...

that there was a candidate that supported it. I think even if they didn't want to use Dennis Kucinichs name, they should have atleast have let America know that A candidate does support the non profit idea. What a waste of a show, open peoples eyes up some but not all the way.

[Breeze54]

46. This was only an hour show and the focus was on healthcare

and insurance. There wasn't enough time to cover everything.

Maybe you can post that info on her messageboard!!

Send her show producers an e-mail and ask them to post links
to all the proposed healthcare solutions by all the candidates.

[Breeze54]

48. Someone on the show did yell out at the end for people to contact

their reps about passing the Childrens Healthcare bill.

[superkia]

55. Already emailed them in my response to her question on the show.

I mentioned that politics aside, this is a moral issue and the plan should have at least been mentioned so people would know there is an alternative to all the profit health care plans being offered.

[Breeze54]

59. I thought it was on the messageboard! You are to cool!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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[snappyturtle]

47. I am so pissed I could spit!

Check out my above post..#1...I wrote as soon as I checked the tv schedule on our Dish system...It had Oprah on at four o'clock hence my reply....but guess what? She's been replaced by two half hour segments of Judge Judy! I am....woooooooooo! mad. Now I'm going to e-mail or call the station.

[Breeze54]

50. Good!! Give 'em hell!!!

See if they'll be showing the show later on today!

[snappyturtle]

58. I checked to see if it would be on later....nope. I called the programming

director.....not at her desk! So I left a message and asked what the deal is...I know what I saw on our giant tv screen. I can even read it without my glasses! Well, they obviously don't want to hear Michael Moore and any "sicko" stuff. It's a Clear Channel!!!!!! Surprise, surprise. I'm not done with them yet. I checked out Oprah's program section...all kinds of links to past programs...this week on the WOAI site! So I smell a big rat. Now I'm going to write Oprah! Thanks, I'll give 'em hell when I get a hold of a person.

on edit....I am so poooo-d that I totally typed some nonsense words!!!!!!! whew!

[Breeze54]

66. Can you bypass the dish and recieve local programming on your tv?

I used to do that all the time when I had DTV before they offered local channels.

I'd just get off channel 3 and go to my local stations. You might need an antenna though.

[defendandprotect]

64. They are FRIGHTENED . . .. !!!

[Swamp Rat]

61. The show was pre-empted here by Dr. Phil.

No Oprah today.

[defendandprotect]

63. What a shame!! The main thrust of the program was the education of the public -- !!!!

I didn't see all of it so I'm not sure if it was a very knowledgeable audience on this issue or if some of the audience was being educated?????

But the insurance rep was frightening!!!!!

Obviously sold her soul -- !!!!

[Swamp Rat]

69. We're not allowed to watch Michael Moore here.

There's a massive gentrification project going on in New Orleans right now.

Obey, leave, or die.

[defendandprotect]

74. What we're hearing about NO is bad enough -- you should keep us posted . . . ..

can you regularly report what is happening there???

I'm interested and presume that others here would be --

Wow --

[defendandprotect]

77. PBS SHOULD PICK THIS UP -- THEY DID IT WITH DONAHUE'S EXPOSE OF HEALTH CARE ---

That was quite some time ago with less left of PBS now . . . . but
we might contact them with the suggestion???

[Breeze54]

68. That sucks! Dr Phil is on CBS here and Oprah's on ABC.

I don't buy cable so I like that setup!

Maybe you can catch the show later?

I wonder if Oprah knows that stations are dropping her show??

Maybe she should know that!!!

[Swamp Rat]

76. I checked all the channels.

We had others: Montel, the other dude, and a crappy court show, but no Oprah.

[defendandprotect]

79. It's also odd that you can't see these programs via internet????? Why????

[Breeze54]

85. Oprah posts video segments but it's a NEW show and they're

not going to post the whole show before it's seen on national TV! Would you? :P

There is a video link posted in my OP and on her website.

[defendandprotect]

121. DU has links up now to the whole show; I wanted to link to friends --

[Swamp Rat]

86. Let us know if you find a link to the program, or at least a segment.

I hope Crooks and Liars puts up a clip.

[Breeze54]

91. I already posted a video link in the OP!

:P

Go read it!! :rofl:

---------------

It may be posted here by tomorrow or later today. :shrug:

Oprah.com Video

http://www2.oprah.com/videochannel/videochannel_landing.jhtml

[Swamp Rat]

96. Thanks!!

:D

[defendandprotect]

118. Oprah's website had internet viewing on this program and I distributed the link to friends . .. .

but my internet reception is infrequent tonight again -- thanks Comcast!!! --
so I haven't been yet able to watch the first half of the show which I missed....

Maybe tomorrow???

[live love laugh]

82. We just had a break in the show for a thunderstorm warning--the storm has passed, it's sunny. n/t

[Feron]

84. It's on WWL right now.

Oprah used to be on at 3, but they moved it to 4pm awhile back.

[Breeze54]

87. I wonder if she reruns her shows on her cable show?

What's the name of it? 'O' or something like that

[Feron]

89. Are you talking about the Oxygen channel show?

I could be wrong, but I think it is just a "what happened after the show" show.

[Breeze54]

95. Yes!! That's it! Does she rerun the shows there?

I used to post on the Oxygen messageboard a long time ago. I forgot all about it! :P

I think they stopped having it.

[Feron]

101. I honestly don't know. n/t

[supernova]

81. Wonder if Oprah would consider making

podcasts and DVDs available of the MM shows? Since people are having trouble seeing it.

Also, we need to check Oxygen to see if she did an After the Show for this episode. I bet they did.

[Breeze54]

97. I was looking for something like that...found this

http://www2.oprah.com/videochannel/videochannel_landing.jhtml

I'm looking for other stuff on her website...if you find something, please post it! ;)

Here's her radio show link.
http://www2.oprah.com/xm/xm_landing.jhtml

Looking for any video's for sale here..
http://boutique.oprah.com/

-----------------------------------------

I have to run to the store before the T-Storms arrive. Be back in a few. ;)

[ananda]

92. MM to the insurance lobbyist CEO; You own those guys, you make the first calls!

You rock, Michael Moore!

Let that anal retentive corporate asshole have it!

She's acting so smarming and goodie two shoes, but
she's the reason we're having conversations about
healthcare instead of the real deal.

Think about it.

Conversations.. not healthcare.

[Broken_Hero]

93. Watching it now

have been the past 10 minutes or so...interesting so far.

[Reciprocity]

94. That women is just the guy in Thank You for Smoking.

She is part of the MOD squad. Merchants of Death.

[Vinca]

102. I am Oprah's newest fan.

That was an important show, but not long enough. She should do an episode a week on the healthcare debacle so everyone can see the faces of the dead and dying because of the greedy insurance industry. I've already emailed to thank her for the show and endorse Michael Moore's assessment of the entire mess. Wonder how much that insurance mouthpiece makes a year? What a smooth character she is.

[Breeze54]

105. I think that's great that you wrote and thanked her.

You're right. An hour is not nearly long enough but I'm glad she took some time!

I'm really glad she had Michael Moore on also!

That woman is definitely a smooth operator.

I guess that's why she's such a good lobbyist. The new pariah's of society. :grr:

[live love laugh]

104. A british woman and a canadian woman--sitting together to say health care waits are long in britain

and canada. What a coinkydink. :tinfoilhat:

[Truthy Nessy]

108. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

I scanned my TV guide and found a western station that will be presenting this Oprah show with Michael Moore. I am Canadian and really appreciate my health care system especially after seeing SICKO. My husband and son both were treated for cancers, Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma and Glioblastma Multiforme brain tumor. They received excellent treatment. The best in the country. They lived with hope and care and died with dignity and care. From detection to palliative care all the treatment was excellent and didn't cost us anything. I didn't have to declare bankruptcy.

There is an election coming up, both provincial and soon, most likely, a federal election. Stephen Harper, now prime minister, wants Canada to have the same system as America. He is willing to sneak it in as two tier system. No one I talk to wants this. I am hoping he is on his way out.

Canada's system is not perfect but I am so thankful for it. There was no waiting for any length of time for them to get treatment.

I tell my friends here in Canada to be thankful and to go see SICKO and don't vote for Harper.
My mom in South Carolina does not have any health insurance except for medicare. I dread the day she gets sick.

People in the USA just don't know what their health insurances don't cover until they get hit with disease and then it is too late.

[Breeze54]

111. I'm sorry for your losses but it must have at least

been somewhat consoling knowing that they were getting excellent care from your healthcare system.

A :hug: for you.

The insurance co's are playing dirty tricks on people in the USA, so many of them get the rug
pulled out from under them when they become ill or they don't have any health insurance at all. :(

I'm glad you're encouraging everyone in Canada to watch that documentary and learn from it
and vote accordingly! Don't let what's happening here, happen to Canada.

[Vinca]

113. Truthy Nessy - did you see this post yesterday?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1914707&mesg_id=1914707

Show that to any Canadian who thinks they want an "American" system.

[Solon]

109. Correction, it should be Michael Moore, Oprah Winfrey, that Professor, and the audience....

versus that insurance industry lobbyist. All of them, and more, have slammed her multiple times, I loved it.

[Breeze54]

112. Yeah, they did a good job but that

title is sort of lengthy!! :P

"Us vs Them!" lol!

Glad you liked the show and were able to catch it!

[mzmolly]

115. I was working and missed this show

I hope it's on youtube tomorrow. :(

[antigop]

117. Hey, I think I found the lobbying report for America's Health Insurance Plans

This is the woman on Oprah.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/health/slide/20070927/health_284_108.jhtml
>>
Karen Ignagni is the president of America's Health Insurance Plans, an organization that lobbies for the majority of health insurance companies in the United States.
>>

Here is the latest lobbying report I could find for American's Health Insurance Plans
http://tinyurl.com/2z5e5l

Look at line 13:
Expenses related to lobbying activities for the reporting period:
$3,420,000

That's for a six month period Jan 1 - June 30, 2007.