Ok Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Clark, etc.

[lyonn]

What I want to know is with this Health Care/Insurance issue will treatment for alcoholism be included?

Because, by the time we get rid of bush I will be one. Ugh

Oops, bet this should be in the Lounge?

[Bucky]

1. It reads like a policy question to me

The expensive treatment of alcoholism isn't worth it by the way. 12-steppers have a lower recidivism rate than the full blown doctor certified recovery clinics.

[bobbie]

2. It reads like a joke to me. I enjoyed it.

Gotta let off steam somehow after all the fascists have put us thru.

[lyonn]

4. Sure like your pic of kennedy

He was the first pres. I voted for. Now, a million years later it looks like he was smarter than many of us thought. He at least knew who to ask and what questions to ask. He allowed his brother to investigate the mafia and had to know there would be ramifications. We will never know if he was seriously considering escalation in Vietnam. But he handled the Cuban missle crisis and we are still alive. We had no idea Russia/Cuba were so close to dooms day.

[bobbie]

5. We do know for sure that President Kennedy was getting out of Vietnam lyonn

It's an absolute documented demonstrable fact. But the media and the powers that be don't want us to know the facts so they hide them.

Here are the facts:

Oct 11, 1963 President Kennedy issues National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM) #263, ordering (by referencing a fact-finding report he commissioned--the McNamara Taylor report)the withdrawal of 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963, and the complete withdrawal of ALL US "personnel" (carefully worded to include CIA thugs) by the end of 1965.
http://www.jfklancer.com/NSAM263.html
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/FRUSno167.html

Nov 22, 1963 President Kennedy is murdered by the CIA, who protects corporate interests--especially war profiteers like Brown & Root, Lyndon Johnson's main financial supporters, now named Halliburton.

Nov 26, 1963 Lyndon Johnson issues NSAM #273 which reversed President Kennedy's orders from NSAM #263, and escalated the Vietnam War.

Aug 5, 1964 Lyndon Johnson lied about a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident to justify dramatic escalation of the Vietnam War. The "Gulf of Tonkin" incident was complete fiction, a total lie from a deceitful replacement "president" to justify all out War with the objective of increasing war profits for companies such as Brown & Root (who then got very rich) and Bell Helicopter (another Johnson backer).
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

The facts are out there. The context makes certain conclusions obvious. President Kennedy was murdered in large part precisely BECAUSE he refused to escalate in Vietnam, and in fact ordered all Americans to get the hell out. War profiteers and wealthy Texas oilmen (including CIA hack George Bush and psycho right-winger HL Hunt) murdered President Kennedy BECAUSE of his Vietnam policy.
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/vietnam/KennedyVietnam1971/KennedyVietnam1971.htm
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/22/vietnam/index.html

Peter Dale Scott is an author who writes real history. I recommend is books. Especially "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK."
http://www.history-matters.com/pds/dp3.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Politics-Death-Peter-Scott/dp/0520205197/sr=8-2/qid=1171334567/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-4930282-0043924?ie=UTF8&s=books

I know there's a DU video of Peter Dale Scott but I can't find it. Anyone know where it is?

[lyonn]

6. Interesting articles, etc. that you provided

It appears certain Kennedy was prepared to back out of Vietnam. Even documented. He did what our present president won't do and that is see the facts on the ground and the politics of the cold war and decided it was best to take his approx. 20,000 troops out except for a few advisors. bush is not Capable or willing to examine the Facts.

The details of Kennedy's assination is still a big question. Maybe 50 years from now the truth will be known. Hopefully our power in Congress Now might get the truth of bush's phony intel and the consideration he gave to the corporations that were very much involved in his decisions. It certainly wasn't we the people. Just rantin'. Been said a million times on this site.

[bobbie]

7. Agreed on all points lyonn

President Kennedy was, IMO, killed largely because he thought he was in office to represent citizens of the US. Corporate vultures (and the CIA that works for them) made it clear that a president is there to represent big business. As a result pretty much every president since has forsaken citizens and helped corporations.

Then again, almost every president since the '63 coup has been installed by the regime who removed President Kennedy:

-BTW, Nixon was Prescott Bush's puppet. Prescott got Nixon the VP job under Eisenhower, and Nixon was supposed to easily beat Kennedy for president, but didn't. So the neocons already hated Kennedy just for beating their boy.

-Johnson only accepted the VP slot under Kennedy because he (like Bush1 later) knew he wouldn't have to be VP for long. Johnson replaced President Kennedy (and he was one of the plotters of course) and did what the war profiteers told him to do. The things they couldn't make President Kennedy do.

-Next two presidential candidates were eliminated to clear the way for Nixon, Prescott's boy.
Robert Kennedy--who would have won easily was killed, and George Wallace--who wouldn't have won but would have split the right wing nutter vote was paralyzed but they failed to kill him.

-Before Nixon could be kicked out of office he hand picked the next president. Ford was selected because he promised to pardon Nixon for *any crime he may have ever committed*... Ford, of course, was one of the main accessories after the fact by serving on the Warren Commission and insuring that the report conclusions were complete lies.

-Ford was so detested because of his pardon of a blatant criminal that Carter actually managed to win fair and square. He was an exception to the regime rule (pun intended). And the regime did have at least one assassin stalking him but never managed to kill him.

-Then Reagan, hand picked by the rulers because of his dependability as a neo-con. Reagan won because he struck a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages until he could win the election (and thereby humiliate Carter and make him look impotent). Not a coincidence that the hostages were released (if I recall correctly) the day of Reagan's inauguration. More important, Reagan wasn't supposed to be around very long anyway because CIA big wig George Bush installed himself in the VP slot and intended to quickly murder Reagan and become president. John Hinkley was a CIA/MKultra "Manchurian candidate" and brother of a close friend of Neil Bush. Hinkley's brother and Neil Bush had planned to dine together the *night of the Reagan assassination attempt. Hinkley failed to kill Reagan though.

-Finally Bush1 took his place on the throne, years later than he'd planned due to Reagan's stubborn refusal to die from the shooting. Bush1 played a major role (as a high level CIA agent in '63) in President Kennedy's murder. Memos exist showing that Bush was in Dallas
on 11/22/63, and that he was briefed by the FBI Cuban exile reaction to the murder.

-They tried their best to keep Clinton out. Not sure what to make of him. He started out trying to work for the people but seemed to quickly be intimidated into towing the party line. They did their best to assassinate his presidency via impeachment.

-Then of course Bush Jr stole the 2000 and 2004 elections.

So the Bush klan has been pulling the strings from President Kennedy's murder up to the present. Prescott Bush, George Bush1, George Bush2.

Thus my sig line.

And President Kennedy's murder is not unsolved. I am 95% certain I know who and how and why. The story that it's unsolved and we'll never know is propaganda intended to make us shrug off the biggest crime of the century, and the crime that ruined our government and damaged our country.

[lyonn]

3. Actually it wasn't a real policy question.

I was being factious. There are days when one should be doing something productive and end up at the computer ranting and drinking. You see, my dear country is being trashed and it drives me crazy.

You are probably right about 12 step except I don't have a religion so don't know if it would work.