John McCain: BIGOT. McCain: No Muslim president, U.S. better with Christian one

[cali]

GOP presidential candidate John McCain says America is better off with a Christian President and he doesn't want a Muslim in the Oval Office.

"I admire the Islam. There's a lot of good principles in it," he said. "But I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith."

In a wide-ranging interview about religion and faith with the Web site Beliefnet, McCain said he wouldn't "rule out under any circumstance" someone who wasn't Christian, but said, "I just feel that that's an important part of our qualifications to lead."


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[rodeodance]

1. WHOW-----and the sad part is HE WILL GETS VOTES ON THIS.

[Lucinda]

40. Yup.

[TheUniverse]

2. Whats the difference between Christianity and Islam?

Is this an example of "My God is better than your God?"

[cali]

4. At its ugliest and for the basest of reasons n/t

[madrchsod]

9. same god-different messenger

[blondeatlast]

13. They are the same God. Only the literary critique by the messengers is different. nt

[Bucky]

17. Compare the Five Pillars of Islam to Christianity

1. Affirm that there's only one God & Mohammed is his messenger.

There's only one God, unless you count that Trinity thing, but you only get to Heaven thru Jesus

2. Give charity to the poor, with target price at 1/40th of your wealth (2.5%).

Give charity to the poor through the church, target is 1/10th of your annual income.

3. Pray five times a day

Go to church on Sunday & Wednesday nights

4. Fast during the day time during Ramadan

Eat crackers and drink wine at church, but pretend it's Jesus

5. Go to Mecca at least once in your life

Multiple pilgrimmages available, many far closer to home

[PDenton]

3. At least he was honest

What's with the fawning over Islam? You know before September 11th most Muslim in the US leaned heavily Republican, right? They are heavily socially conservative. It would be difficult for the average Democrat, let alone progressive, to score big points with them unless you are willing to widen the "big tent" alot.

Frankly, if a candidate were to step up and say "I'm a Muslim and I'm running for president", I would want to know more about how his religion impacts his views on foreign and domestic policy before I voted for them. I woudln't go so far as to say I would never vote for a Muslim candidate, but I'm have the same trepidations I would for voting for a Mormon candidate, or *gasp* a Scientologist (which I never, ever would do... sorry).

[cali]

8. How is it fawning over Islam to point out McCain's bigotry?

And it wasn't only Muslims that his statement excluded; it was Buddhists, Jews, agnostics, atheists and anyone else who isn't Christian.

[blondeatlast]

11. So much wrong with his post I can't even begin, but I copied it into mine below

for posterity.

:puke:

[PDenton]

14. Ok, good point

I wouldn't be against non-Christian for president. I just would want to hear about how their religion would impact their view on politics and governance.

I could vote for a Jewish candidate. I'd want to know how their faith would mesh with their mideast policies, though. And I could even vote for somebody who was irreligious, too.

[Solon]

46. Why are you excepting Christians from your standards...

why are they exempt from your scrutiny?

[PDenton]

47. they wouldn't be exempt necessarily

But if somebody is an Episcopalian or a Methodist I'm not going to worry about it, simply because I'm more familiar with those religious views. Call it unfair but I wouldn't consider their religion an issue in that case. If they were Catholic I'd want to know the same things that John Kerry answered- how does he feel about enforcing laws concerning abortion or the death penalty, etc.

[AspenRose]

36. That's exactly what I was thinking

And even then, he probably had a particular type of "Christian" in mind (no "liberal" Christians, Catholics, Quakers, etc.)

What an ugly thing to say. Desperation to get to the White House makes people really ugly.

[blondeatlast]

10. But you wouldn't ask the same of an admitted Christian candidate? I'm a faithful Christian and I'm

worried about any leader who would guide from faith--you know, like George W. Bush...

How bigoted of you--argue all you want.


Just in case you edit, here's your original post in its entirety:

What's with the fawning over Islam? You know before September 11th most Muslim in the US leaned heavily Republican, right? They are heavily socially conservative. It would be difficult for the average Democrat, let alone progressive, to score big points with them unless you are willing to widen the "big tent" alot.

Frankly, if a candidate were to step up and say "I'm a Muslim and I'm running for president", I would want to know more about how his religion impacts his views on foreign and domestic policy before I voted for them. I woudln't go so far as to say I would never vote for a Muslim candidate, but I'm have the same trepidations I would for voting for a Mormon candidate, or *gasp* a Scientologist (which I never, ever would do... sorry).

[seabeyond]

23. the whole point is he was being dishonest. he was saying that to imply

there is a person running that is of muslim faith feeding obama is a muslim bullshit to smear him even though he has clearly stated he is not a muslim

no

mccain was not being honest firstly

[PDenton]

24. really?

that's an interesting take... but Obama is definitely United Church of Christ and aligned more with black liberal and moderate Christians than Muslims.

One wierd thing about Obama... how will fundamentalist Islamic countries handle the fact his dad did not raise him to be a Muslim? In some fundamentalist Islamic countries being apostate is a death sentence.

[seabeyond]

27. but, since obama has gotten in the republicans have been working hard

at giving this to him. associating him with not only muslim but also laden. just because it isn't factual matters not to republicans. and this soft association talking about president being christian, opposed to muslim is exactly how the repugs get this into their peoples heads. there is no reason mccain should be commenting that prefer president to be christian as opposed to being muslim since the odds of it happening is nil, zero, not going to happen.

the only reason to make the comment is to suggest voting for obama would bring a muslim in

no... mccain is anything but honest and so many people arguing the pro and con of the muslim religion as opposed to Christan has exactly given mccain his sly cover he works under.

[bullwinkle428]

28. Do you have issues with Harry Reid specifically related to his Mormon faith?

[tanyev]

5. Like the one we've had for the last 7 years?

[blondeatlast]

6. Substitute Catholic for Islamic and he would have said the same 50 years ago.

"...I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith."

His faith being whatever excuses him from the most important Senate votes, I believe.

(Yes, DU, I know that Catholics are Christians--but many would not claim such in the sixties, I know because my father was raised Catholic).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Don't these asshats ever read the Constitution?

"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." Art.VI, sec. 3.

[Jonathan Pollard]

12. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush is a Satanist

Google "Bush At It Again With The El Diablo"

[Lucinda]

42. Not possible

HE is The Decider. I dont see him doing the whole Satans Minion thing. Course...I could be wrong. :)

[neweurope]

15. Wasn't freedom of religion kinda important for you at one time?

So no Buddhists or WHATEVER will ever have a chance to be president? Now that's just great.

I for one would prefer an atheist, anyway; we wouldn't have to listen to that "God bless America" stuff anymore which is beginning to be copied even in Germany.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to the Hague!

[Clark2008]

16. "The" Islam?

Can we say backwards?

"I admire Muslims," is what he should have said.

Bigot.

[Bucky]

18. People sometimes toss random words in spoken language

He might've been thinking "the Islamic faith" and then cut the phrase short while he was formulating the response. Happens all the time. If you look at actual verbatim transcripts you see all sorts of phrases that would be fixed if it were a written text.

[Boojatta]

19. Does he admire Muslims who look like Warren Beatty and work in beauty salons?

Or does he just envy them? Wait, am I getting McCain confused with Giuliani?

[Mike Nelson]

20. What a horrible, wicked man ...

... McCain. May God have mercy on his Satanic soul.

[GeminiProgressive]

21. wow

let's just set up Pope Ratzo as our Ayatollah and he can decide what candidates are "Christian" enough to run for President. How irnonic that all the things our gov. criticizes Iran for are things we already do or are starting to implement.

[NMMNG]

22. Whether they're biased against Islam, Mormons, Atheists, or whatever

the fact remains the same. Amurka just isn't ready for a non-Christian president. Anyone who doesn't make all the right affirmations of their love for Jesus isn't going to be in the Oval Office.

[Bluebear]

25. "I admire the Islam" - - - bet he says you can get "the" gay, too. nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

26. The transcriptor made a mistake.

He actually said "teh."

[LeftishBrit]

29. "Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."

OMG!

The constitution does say that there should be no religious test for office, IIRC. Which would make McCain's remarks unconstitutional.

[appalachianguy]

30. Constitution calls for seperation of "church and state"

McCain's comments are off color for bringing up any
differences
in religions because they are constitutionally inconsistent,
regardless of his personal ideals 

AppGuy

[fujiyama]

31. "The Islam"? WTF?

So Johnnie boy here would be hesitant to vote for his war mongering buddy Lieberman since he doesn't share the same faith as him?

Wow, McCain has really jumped the shark...Old, senile, warmongering, Bush-ass kissing, family selling out freak...

[mudesi]

32. If I had my way, atheism would be a requirement for president (nm)

[spoony]

33. Fortunately, the Constitution prevents you from ever having your way.

[Zandor]

34. Muslims need not apply?

Abhorrent.

[Swamp Rat]

35. "this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles" ... Stupid.

:eyes: Just plain stoooooooopid. :eyes:

So John McCain, a man who would be president, does not support the U.S. Constitution. :dunce:

[depakid]

37. There he goes with that meme again

Obviously America will never have a Muslim president- yet the old "straight talk express" is off the rails with the Christian Principles thing.

[JI7]

38. McCain adopted his daughter from a Muslim country

it's likely her biological parents were Muslim and she owuld have been also if she had stayed there.

i wonder if he ever thinks of this.

McCain is such a piece of shit.

[dansolo]

39. Has the ADL responded to this?

He is also saying that a Jew is unfit to be president.

[trashcanistanista]

41. He must want out realy, really

badly. He is so finished.

[Lucinda]

44. I dont think he wants out

I think he's desperate and is floating everything he can think of, hoping something will catch fire.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. A Muslim president might torture people and start pre-emptive wars.

Oh, wait. :eyes:

[HughMoran]

45. McCain will say anything for a radical RW vote

What a fucking jerk he turned out to be this election cycle.