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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:42 AM
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Bush Revealed that Saddam Agreed to Terms
And still the Decider chose war-

How much money does Bush think a US soldier’s life is worth? How much money does Bush think the lives of our allies’ soldiers or innocent Iraqis are worth?

As we’re finding out, not very much. On March 17, 2003 President Bush issued the warning: “Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict commenced at a time of our choosing ,” yet now thanks to a transcript leaked to the Spanish newspaper El Pais, we learn that more than three weeks prior to that Bush had told former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar that “The Egyptians are speaking to Saddam Hussein. It seems he’s indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he’s allowed to take $1 billion …” When confronted about the leaked transcript yesterday, Whitehouse spokeswoman Dana Perino did not dispute its accuracy.

.....That’s just than one tenth of 1% of what this insane invasion and occupation of Iraq, that continues claim the lives of our country’s bravest men and women, has now been forcast to cost. Think about that just for a second. Every single death, Iraqi and American coalition alike, could have been saved and Bush could have had Saddam’s oil, but apparently he didn’t even seriously consider it. Topping that, he then lied in public to the entire world about it just so he could have his war regardless. How’s that for compassionate conservatism?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/28/saddam-wanted-out-bush-lied-about-it/


That's very potent evidence, in Bush's own words, that this is purely a criminal war of aggression.

And it takes the fact that Republicans can't be trusted with other people's money to a whole new level.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:51 AM
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1. We all knew he didn't take us there to depose a dictator.
all the proof you need is in Baghdad at this moment.

The asshole war apologists have run out of reasons, and they don't even try the Saddam excuse anymore. Now all they say is that it's not oil money & control, even though those are the only reasons that there's actual evidence of.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:09 AM
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4. Yep. If that were the case, we'd be gone by now. NT
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:51 AM
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2. Another reason to impeach this administration. What is WRONG WITH THE DEMOCRATIC
LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS?

actually I shouldn't use the word leadership in the same sentence with Democrats such as pelosi and reid

Perhaps Kucinich will bring up his point of privledge for impeachment, because it won't come from the speaker of majority leader

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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:04 AM
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3. What is wrong with the Democratic Leadership?
I'll tell you. They would be the pot calling the kettle black. They will never hold Bush accountable for this war because 75% of them or more support using illegal war and terrorism abroad for US corporate interests. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Johnson all helped put down populist movements and aid illegal invasions all over the world...perhaps not as much as the GOP but they still played their part. The Democratic Party will NEVER bring Bush to justice because sadly, our party will probably continue doing the same types of things.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:30 AM
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6. Please elaborate on how Carter and Clinton helped aid illegal invasions all over the world.
Thank you. MKJ
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:53 AM
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10.  Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act - SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1998
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 10:06 AM by bushmeat
President George W. Bush has often referred to the Act and its findings to argue that the Clinton Administration supported regime change in Iraq and further that it believed that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. The Act was cited as a basis of support in the Congressional Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq in October of 2002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

Clinton signs CALEA act
http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/1997/06/wiretap.html

Clinton signs Most Favored Nation for China
http://clinton6.nara.gov/1993/05/1993-05-28-presidents-statement-on-mfn-for-china.html

Clinton signs NAFTA
http://www.multied.com/Documents/Clinton/SigningNaFTA.html

Clinton paved the way for nearly every one of Bush's abuses.

Admittedly when Clinton lied no one died

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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:39 AM
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14. Well
Clinton signed the Helms-Burton Act to increase the blockade of Cuba and increase subversive and terrorist activities against their country. If any country tried to do the things we have done to Cuba to us we would have bombed them by now. Although I supported NATO in protecting Kosovo there were also many illegal bombings there and also in Iraq. The bombing of the medicine factory in Africa. Sanctions imposed on the Democratic leader of haiti which paived the way for Bush to topple their government.

Carter was a friend of the Shah. At the height of the Shah's unpopularity Carter went to Iran and praised him for his "progresive leadership" at the same time Iranian soldiers were gunning down reformists. Carter also increased military aid to the Indonesians genocidal war against East Timor. he made a deal with hatian Dictator baby Doc Duvalier to accept no political refugees from haiti.In Cambodia, Jimmy Carter and his national security aide, Zbigniew Brzezinski made an “untiring effort to find peaceful solutions” by initiating a joint U.S.-Thai operation in 1979 known as Task Force 80 which, for ten years, propped up the notorious Khmer Rouge under the all-purpose banner of anti-Communism. he gave $10 million to right wing organizations in El Salvador. he also began funding Taliban style Islamists in Afghanistan who later became a totalitarian regime.
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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:51 AM
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15. some youtube video
of Serbia bombing...you can find many more along with the bombings on Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwhjeH6DE8
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:50 AM
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8. All DUers who contributed to MoveOn should show their support...
to Mr. Kucinich there: http://www.dennis4president.com/go/homepage-items/help-dennis-raise-%24300,000-by-september-30th!/
even if they think the
two issues don't relate
to each other, somehow
they do... for as long
as the lying bast**ds
will be allowed to keep
on destroying the US like
they did in the last seven
years, there will be no true
justice served and for the
moment, MoveOn cannot do
this, but Dennis Kucinich can.
All you need to do is to show
you support him so please,
any amount will help!

Thank you!


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:57 AM
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12. Impeach? How About Calling For A War Crimes Tribunal
This is now beyond impeachment...this is cold blooded murder on a level with the worst regimes of all time. And it's not just boooosh, it's the entire cabal...Chenney, Rummy even Colin Bowel. If this story is substantiated...along with the DSM, there should be pressure put on the U.N. to crank up the World Court, bring charges and prosecute.

You folks want real justice? This is where it has to go...and all those who abetted this slaughter have to be brought to justice.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:25 AM
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5. This WAS reported on the eve of war and yet
it was totally ignored here!

Same thing with the Taliban offering to give OBL over to a third party Muslim country. Shrub wanted war in both cases and that's all that mattered to him.
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Steven_S Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:26 AM
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13. I remember it..
no link, but I do remember the exile offer.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:13 AM
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17. Trying to remember. It might have been the Guardian. eom
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 08:57 PM
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22. Here's one article
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:52 PM
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23. hey, I recall that now (getting rid of the cobwebs)-----thanks
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:49 AM
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7. New Rule: Stop Saying Iraq is Another Vietnam, it's Another Enron
Maher nailed it. This war is just another ponzi scheme to funnel billions of dollars to Bush's base.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-stop-saying-ir_b_66165.html

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:51 AM
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9. Well, let's not just not impeach him. Why don't we run him against Hillary in 2008?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:54 AM
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11. Hold on a minute - Saddam wanted 2 things, the money and a guarantee he would not be assassinated
He wanted a guarantee that he wouldn't catch a bullet in the head a week after he left - and the US would not guarantee that we would not send a hit squad after him the day he left HIS country.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:09 AM
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16. we gotta cover up loose ends
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:59 AM
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19. "Two things" is right, but you got one wrong.
Saddam did not ask for a guarantee that he would not be assassinated. He wanted to take the info on his Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Warfare programs:

The Egyptians are speaking to Saddam Hussein. It seems he's indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he's allowed to take $1 billion and all the information he wants about weapons of mass destruction," Bush was quoted as saying at the meeting one month before the U.S.-led invasion. (Washington Post)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/26/AR2007092601024.html)
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:33 AM
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18. $1 billion plus all info on weapons of mass distruction he wanted
"It seems he's indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he's allowed to take $1 billion and all the information he wants about weapons of mass destruction," Bush was quoted as saying"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/26/AR2007092601024.html
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:34 PM
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21. And at the end of the day how much info on WMDs was there?
Zip.

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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:29 PM
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20. Everyone who supported this war and gave us that "anti-murkan traitors" bullshit
should be on their knees begging God for mercy. They are as guity of murder as *
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