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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:14 AM Original message |
No, Rahm, leave Social Security alone. |
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GeminiProgressive (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. what did you expect |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Rahm undermines the Democratic Party for the DLC at every turn. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
144. WHEN are we getting rid of Emmanuel and the D-L-C --- ????? |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
93. Actually, technically, that's not correct. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #93 |
107. 'Great Society' - LBJ |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
145. Dems were in control a long time and could have set up public financing o campaigns --- |
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Bum Whisperer (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
108. If you're not responsible enough to put away for your own retirement |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Hope yer bank crashes Bozo, then you'll be laughing |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
146. What if medical bills bankrupt you -- or some other "life" experience takes your savings -- ??? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. More crap cooked up at a DLC policy seminar in some Grand Hotel Ballroom |
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GeminiProgressive (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. and actually |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. That's it.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Love the name. nt |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. I would support this WITHOUT a reduction in Soc. Sec. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. We have these |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. We already have 401 k accounts |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
121. Ummmm.... take a look at Hillary's new plan |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
113. And that is what it is - it does not affect Social Security at all and is an excellent idea |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Seems pointless. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Average middle class age 65 retiree has only $50,000 at retirement and 50% of these |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:24 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. But what is the problem? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:44 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. bottom line is it moves the tax expense to a current year from a retirement year - plus savings are |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Much better ways of helping investment growth |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
128. Investment banks and public companies LOVE the idea of a flood of mandated cash ... |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
7. Okay, Emanuel writes, supplements not supplants SS. How is he a liar? |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. Jesus christ. Leave it to this asshole to sell us out by offering changes |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. The republican party needs to die, so the democratic party can split |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
59. It already is (n/t) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
10. Where's the free market? |
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cutlassmama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. and the sick and disabled have nothing to look forward to. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. Rahm, you dishonest pile of crap, I don't need your "plan" to start a savings account. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
82. Dems doing really well at following King Ronnie--all gov't is BAAADDDD |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
14. Where do you get the idea that Emanuel's plan would reduce Social Security funding? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:09 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I read it the same way you did. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. I read it that way as well, but how is it different than a 401K? |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
111. 401Ks are not available to everyone, that's the point. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Will in the end amount to fewer people investing in SS, less money for those in the plan. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. The cost of replacing money taken out of the system |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Enough of the 3 card monte |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. It will serve as their excuse for lowering the benefit |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
16. There is no need for the government to "help" citizens "own" their money; THEREFORE, |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
19. By the time this gets to the Chimp's desk |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. "Supplement" would seem to be the key word. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. The "supplement" as suggested makes no sense. If people wanted to and/or COULD save, |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Perhaps you should read the article and not just the OP's interpretation of it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Think about it...eventually "expand" the supplement.. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
67. "would contribute": Am I quoting accurately enough? What if that "1 percent (sic)" |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
63. "Supplement" to these traitors to the People |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. thanks for at least including the link to Emmanuel's site |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. Excellent article by Robert Dreyfuss from 1999 The Nation..other names for privatization. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. More from the 1999 Dreyfuss article. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
27. The Rahm Emanuel/Steny Hoyer/fill-in-the-DLCer-here wing of the Party is malignant.... |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Yet some still stubbornly deny obvious complicity |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
28. Will Marshall blasts Dems' pledge to save Social Security,...2002 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
29. Are you willing to pay your parents' way in life as funds are lessened? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
32. No defense left for DLC & Emmanuel |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
34. My brother died suddenly at age 50 |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. His spouse and children |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. He had none, and that makes no difference anyway. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Oh, good grief... way to use the right wing talking points. |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Whoa...whoa....WHOAAA!!!!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I don't appreciate the talking points. |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. The SS system is horrible |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. No, you are very wrong on this issue. |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. TWEAKS?!! |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Social Security is an insurance system, not a savings account. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. And don't forget minor children benefit |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Thank you for reminding me. |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. One of the chnages is that you shold not lose your money |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Yes, it's called "citizenship". |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #68 |
92. Forced to give |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. How would YOU change it? (n/t) |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Personally I would |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Well, as one who's 63 years old now |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. You are correct. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #73 |
155. amen!!! |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
102. i say the government should give me my f*cking money back |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
105. Take your chickenshit bullshit back to Free Republic. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
139. Do you understand the program? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
76. interesting - I thought colleges were brainwashing students with liberal ideas. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Welcome to DU |
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StudentLoanSlave (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Gracias |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
71. The money was for the general SOCIAL fund. You know, to support the SOCIETY. |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 12:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
89. "Ownership"?! That's not just a RW talking point, it's a GWB talking point! |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
103. it's called INSURANCE |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. There can be rule changes. But don't take the money away... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
64. Social Security is a compact between the generations |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Nice post. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
70. I suppose you feel the same way about insurance companies, too? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. The BIG difference is that when you put in a claim |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Fully agreed. (nt) |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Amen, abu Trish! Amen. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
140. Private insurance companies make profits . .. . |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. It's INSURANCE. If your house doesn't burn down, you don't get your premiums back! |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Thanks TahitiNut |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
38. Fuck the "the best of both parties ideas" |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. Facts About Social Security Privatization |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Excellent, thank you. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. .. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
141. Excellent bust of Wall Street propaganda . . . Wall St. is looking for this money -- !!!! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. Here's Rahm's money quote |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
112. May I just add, I DESPISE rahm. I wish the good people of IL would vote his sorry ass |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
142. self-delete |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
55. How does one guy equal THE Party? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Read the other things I posted in the thread. Let's stop playing word games... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
58. Still trying to prop up the corrupt, failure |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
62. Yeah, but he's a Democrat, so he's better than a republican. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. You forgot to put in one of these... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. One is hardly enough. Rahm is dead to me, now. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Most of them ignore me anyway, and I don't mind confusing the ones that don't get it. - n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Lucky you |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
81. "refashion Social Security from a system of wealth transfer " |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Exactly!! |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
83. I just want Rahm--and his buddies--to leave |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
90. He is one of our poison pills I'm afraid. |
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progressive_realist (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
91. ARRRGH! |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
94. Will Their Lies Never Cease? |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
95. The system is broke... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. . . . and Iraq is a gathering threat. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. It isn't broke; that's another canard. Moreover, WHO is STOPPING YOU from SAVING?! |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
97. How about restoring some of the benefits instead of gutting it? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Me, too |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Odd how the benefits keep shrinking and the trust fund keeps ballooning. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:19 AM Response to Reply #97 |
119. Now that's a novel idea! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
101. Kick to compare with Hillary's new proposal today. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
104. Emanuel is a sleazy Dem pol. Turn him out in '08 for a REAL Liberal. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
106. hillary has to payback the political contributers somehow |
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Norma Druid (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. From My Own Blog Last Week - Fight! |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
115. Pigs at the trough. There are greedy Dems as well as Repubs. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 04:46 AM Response to Original message |
118. FTDLC |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
123. "But the next step will be turning more over to the private sector. " |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. 401(k) = private sector investment account. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Sure...sure...OK... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
125. Opt me out of S.S and give me ALL my money now! Damned pyramid scheme is all it is anyway. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. More like an inverted pyramid at this point. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Anyone who calls OASDI a "pyramid scheme" is too drunk on Kool-Aid to reason. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Deleted message |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. You clearly haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. "pyramid scheme"?? Total, abject nonsense! |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
132. Rahm: "1 percent of paychecks ... managed by the private sector." |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. p.s. I think this is basically identical to Hillary's plan |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #133 |
147. Why does Hillary have a SS plan to benefit Wall Street . . . ???? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
136. I have one thing to say to those who do not think social security is |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Social Security is the signature program of the Dem party |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
138. Social Security is an INSURANCE PROGRAM . . . |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
143. For those who don't know, SS used to be paid 2/3rds by the employer and 1/3rd by the employer --- !! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #143 |
151. Good points. Also..since it is double-taxed... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Only vaguely aware -- is there a Social Security or retirement area at DU? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Might not be a bad idea. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #143 |
154. That's not true. You may be confused by the self-employment rate. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. The amount of disinfo on Social Security is staggering. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
148. Once again we see that "you can only really be betrayed by those closest to you" --- |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Sad but true.. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
150. Rahm is another DLC turncoat to populism and real democracy |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Before more damage is done to the Democratic Party . . . what are we going to do about the DLC -? |
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