Regarding Gore's Running or not Running -- Consider this

[JMDEM]

The Nobel Peace Prize winner will be announced this Friday -- October 12th.

If Gore were to announce that he was NOT a candidate for President, it would probably have little or no effect on the voting for the Nobel Peace Prize winner. I think anyone inclined to vote for Gore to win the prize would still vote for Gore.

If Gore were to announce, before Oct. 12th, that he WAS a candidate for President, then it could easily be charged that he was trying to influence the vote on the Nobel Prize. If he were to win the Nobel Prize, it would be claimed by many that he tainted the voting by announcing his candidacy for President. Right wingers would argue for years that he polluted the vote, and that "leftists" around the world were trying to push their agenda on the US.

Conversely, those who vote for the winner of the prize might be offended by such an announcement by Gore, and might not vote for Gore to win the prize because of the announcement.

So I don't see HOW Gore could announce a candidacy before the Nobel Prize vote. To a man of integrity like Gore, this would be impossible.

So -- he has never said he is NOT running. And until after Oct. 12th, it would be very awkward and fraught with peril for him to say he IS running. But after October 12th, it would no longer present problems to say he is running.

Of course this is not to say that he will run for President after the announcement of the Nobel Peace Prize winner. I have no idea. However, the above logical construct formed in my head awhile back, and I do find it interesting.

[Swamp Rat]

1. Great post

:hi:

However, I don't worry about what 'right wingers' will say. :)

[CoffeeCat]

5. LOLOL!!!!!

Your banner!! OH my sides!!! Stop!!! :rofl: :rofl:

I laughed so hard, I snorted and the cat jumped! :)

"...a boil on his ass." :rofl:

Dear Lord...you win the DUzy of the YEAR award for that!!

Still LOL!!!

:rofl: :)

[Swamp Rat]

7. hee hee

sorry kitty kitty. :hug:

[Didereaux]

32. SR, that is definitly one of your best ones! n/t

[sdod]

2. Look HERE

Read about the Club of Rome before you get too excited about Al Gore. Know who you are supporting before you blindly support them. There was a book published in 1991 by two of the Club of Rome members. Get it. Read it. Find out what the groups that Al Gore belongs to talk about in private. Might just throw you off your heals.

[chiggerbit]

3. Might just throw you off your heals.

??????? What does that mean?

[silverweb]

11. Conspiracy theory stuff.

Apparently the _Club of Rome_, a think tank to tackle various world problems, grew out of a book and a speech discussed _here_.

Some think it's a benign forum for people of varied backgrounds and abilities to share ideas about how to make the world a better place.

And some think it's the all-evil hub for the "New World Order."

As far as I can tell, Gore isn't a member... so I don't quite know what our new poster is trying to say.

On edit: Link for the American branch, _USA/COR_. I still can't find any documentation that Al Gore is a member, though maybe he should be.

[silverweb]

16. Video re Club of Rome meeting.

Very interesting stuff.

It sure doesn't look like a NWO "secret society" to me, but rather an education/discussion/research group (aka "think tank") concerned with the future of our planet. I'm going to sign up for their newsletter and see what more I can learn.

See the video _here_ (2:42 run time).

[sdod]

33. Gore is a member

In fact, he hosted the COR meeting in DC prior to the issuance of the 1991 report that I referred to.

I have made no reference to "Conspiracy Theory stuff," Silverweb, so why do you label this information in this way? Do you know anything more about the organization than what you have posted above? If not, how can you draw any conclusions with such limited information?

[silverweb]

35. I researched it, as you suggested.

Some of the comments I came across equate COR to the "New World Order," shadowy "Illuminati," etc.

Your own initial comment was just cryptic enough to suggest that COR is some kind of shadowy conspiracy group: "Read about the Club of Rome before you get too excited about Al Gore. Know who you are supporting before you blindly support them."

Come on, now.

Do you actually mean that you weren't trying to cast some kind of mysterious pall over Gore? :D

You still offer no documentation about Gore's membership, just your own statement; and I still can't confirm that.

And as I've already said in a previous comment, if he isn't a member, maybe he should be -- not that he doesn't have enough to do as it is.

In any case, I don't find anything about COR threatening or mysterious. But I DO find it interesting enough that I've signed up for the organization's newsletter.

Oh, by the way, welcome to DU, sdod -- and thanks for adding a little mystery to the mix and something new to learn about. :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

39. I, too, searched the whole website and found not one iota of info that Gore is a member,

:shrug:

Nor did I find anything sinister about this collective. There are a few honorary members I don't like, but there is nothing to indicate their role in the group.

[silverweb]

43. Same here.

Anyway, a reputable organization that is seeking the betterment of humanity and the planet should be willing to listen to the ideas of people with different opinions -- and even accept their membership.

That's what real knowledge seeking and solution finding are all about.

That's why we don't like RW "think tanks," whose sole purpose is to armor their agenda despite the facts! :)

[sdod]

65. Read the book

Glad to see that at least one of those here on DU started down a research path. But it is the 1991 report that you should find and read (you'll have to buy it). As you say, relying on Internet interpretations is probably dubious and flaky.

By the way, thanks for the "weclome."

[Swamp Rat]

38. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

I suggest you post more information about the COR and a detailed explanation of your views, otherwise people may start to ignore you, which would be counter-productive to your goal of informing people about it. I went through the whole website but found nothing sinister. Yes, there are a few members I don't care for, but nothing jumps out at me as particularly bad.

Since you are new here you may not be familiar that it is common DU etiquette to furnish information, not give a cryptic sentence or two then suggest we go hunt down the information.

[Lucinda]

42. OT but I had to say

The under surveillance graphic rocks! :thumbsup:

[Swamp Rat]

48. Thanks!

:hi:

You can see more here: www.swamp-rat.com

[Lucinda]

49. Thanks! Will check it out!

[silverweb]

47. OMG, this explains it all!

I found confirmation that Al Gore is part of the COR conspiracy right _here_!!

:rofl:

On Edit: Another gem! http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/earth-day.htm

[flyarm]

60. Thank you silverweb it says this about Club of Rome members...

“The First Global Revolution” (1991) published by the Club of Rome. Members of the Club of Rome include: Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Bill Gates, George Soros and author of the Kyoto Protocols Maurice Strong.

[silverweb]

72. I KNOW what it says.

And because "it says this," it's true? Look at the source and read some of the other ravings. Then try to verify any of it.

Swallowing whole the veracity of this site would be like accepting _Rapture Ready_ as gospel. :D

[sdod]

75. good observation.

[monktonman]

4. why not just tell us about this

I'd like at least a little teaser.
Perhaps you could also tell us about the authors as well?
????

[sdod]

8. Do Your Own Research

Please, you need to research this on your own and go thru your own learning curve here.

There is a lot of information to be gleaned, you will need to review the material.

Good luck.

[monktonman]

10. I was asking for a teaser.

Not even a little one??
Come on, how about an over-view or something.
I'd like to be "knocked off my heels" or whatever you said.
You brought it up so why not tell me why I should read this book.

Maybe I'll just go on believing Al Gore is a good man.

[silverweb]

14. See post #11.

:)

[JMDEM]

12. Oh -- Yes, Al Gore is a member of the CFR too...

But so are some other good guys. You know, the CFR probably has the "inner circle" and those that just get elected to join and to hang out for awhile. I don't really think Gore has much to do with them.

[orleans]

52. what? al gore is a member of CCR? i didn't know he was in that band!

he must be the guy on the left! damn! it looks just like him!

(sorry--couldn't resist a solid explaination on how rumors get started considering what i've just read upthread)

[NoPasaran]

63. Some call him the "Fifth Beatle" as well

[monktonman]

13. oh I get it, silly me

Of course Al Gore is a member of a secret society.
Arent we all?
Oh....your not? sorry dude, I spilled the beans.
nevermind.

[Pastiche423]

15. Are you a Global Warming/Climate Change denier?

[sdod]

17. My Opinion is Irrelevant

I'm suggesting that folks actually review the material from this organization and make up their own mind. My opinion and position is irrelevant.

Why did you ask THIS specific question, Pastiche?

[Pastiche423]

21. After reviewing some of the material on the Club of Rome

it was the 1st thought that entered my mind.

So far, I have found nothing malignant about the organization, thus for what other reason would you mention it?

[sdod]

22. I can only lead one to water

It is up to others to actually drink the water
and decide how it tastes.

Please review the organization's own 1991 report/book.

[Pastiche423]

23. lol

Give it up. No one is buying what you are trying to sell.

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Pastiche423]

31. I see no one else buying

Do you?

What flavor do you prefer?

[sdod]

34. I didn't ask

I'm not taking a poll here, so why would anyone volunteer any information. However, it does appear that DUers are conducting rudimentary searches on the organization. This is what one would expect. I imagine that more info will be posted and others will dig deeper. It will happen in stages, that's my guess. Anyway, I had no preconceived expectations.

However, Pastiche, I do find your dismissive responses to this information very curious. Is this how new information is generally treated here at DU?

[Lucinda]

36. I'm going to give you a little advice

If you have info to share, summarize it and point the reader to further study.

It's very foolsih to think that DU-ers will drop everything and run out to research a topic that you arent willing to present, other than in cryptic pronouncements.

[silverweb]

40. This DUer did.

Well, I didn't exactly drop everything, but I did research the topic a bit.

See my posts 11, 16, and 34, above for the results. :hi:

[Lucinda]

41. Good for you! Will check it out!

I live in a dark, dark, land called "dial-up" where no uninspired research takes place. :)

[silverweb]

44. My sympathies re dialup land.

I lived in that dark realm once and remember its frustrations well. I'm glad I was able to contribute some research!

[Lucinda]

46. My plight is especially sad

<pityparty>I can see the cable lines from my window. We're talking 90 feet away at the max. But the cable company is disinclined to free me from the darkness. So I suffah. </pityparty>

[silverweb]

50. Wow, that IS sad....

I do hope they change their minds sometime soon.

[Lucinda]

68. Thankie! We are not, as the saying goes, holding our breath. :) n/t

[malaise]

57. He can speak fo rme

On the other hand....

[monktonman]

25. Drink the cool-aid is more like it n/t

Now ask me what n/t means.

[orleans]

54. what does n/t mean? (you said to ask--oh, wait. you weren't talking to me. sorry) n/t

[Kurovski]

51. The water tastes muddy.

[stlsaxman]

59. ... so who lead you to the Kool-Aid?

did they force you to drink?

go back to your masters and tell 'em the people ain't buying that shit.

[orleans]

53. (psst. al gore is a member of ccr. pass it on)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2003386&mesg_id=2003897

[helderheid]

66. Is it too hard to post links?

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[sdod]

81. Link

Here ya go
http://www.amazon.com/First-Global-Revolution-Alexander-King/dp/0679738258

[helderheid]

84. thanks - will check it

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Kurovski]

19. "Heals and Tows"?

[sdod]

20. @ Dr.Phool

Why do you make this assumption, any assumption about me?

Why attack the messenger of public information that
you have obviously not read?

Perhaps you should review the material that I suggest,
digest it, then start making value judgments.

Also, perhaps you should read my signature line again.

[flyarm]

62. if you have info..please say it..stop the baiting please..it is not the way it is done here at DU

please lay out what you are saying..so far i have seen nothing that you say corroborated other than Gore is in the Club of Rome in the USA..so is JImmy Carter..and to tell you the damn truth..anything Carter is in ..in my book is damn good! And Soros..well he did more than many to try to stop this MTF er in this white house in 2004,..so that is damn good company to me..

so you want to play a smear game here without anything to corroborate what you are trying to infer....

I do believe i will stick with Carter and Soros being in this so called mystery group.. you want to stir crap about. I believe and love Carter..and i believe and adore Soros...these two men have done far more for this country and protecting our democracy than any of the assholes running our government now!


so stop the flaming bait shit and get to your point..you have info..post it..

fly

[sdod]

64. I posted the information

I posted the information that I wanted to post, namely, that the organization exists, that Mr. Gore is a member, and that there is a book authored by two of the group's members. That's all the information I wanted to present, and I have done that.

Unfortunately, it seems that some, like you, are not satisfied with my post and want additional information. Well, I cannot help you there. You will have to find and read the book/report yourself if you want additional information.

Secondly, why do you accuse me of "wanting to play a smear game?" Can you please point to one of my posts where I tried to smear someone, anyone? In fact, I have made no judgments whatsoever here. I have merely suggested to the DU readership that they research this organization and read the book/report. Why is it that a DU member has to endure these kinds of attacks for merely suggesting reading material applicable to the subject of this thread?

Thirdly, if you don't want to read the suggested material, that's fine with me, then don't read it. It is YOUR decision.

Lastly, how about we make a deal....don't tell me what to do and I'll agree not to tell you what to do.

[LearnedHand]

24. COR looks like a wonderful organization

You got a problem with countries WORKING TOGETHER to solve global problems, or are you one of those who screams "one world government, trilateral commission, Illuminati, secular humanism" every time you see something like this? Hmmm? Thought so. :freak:

[sdod]

30. @ LearnedHand's Jump to Conclusions

I have stated no conclusions nor made any statements referring to "one world government, trilateral commission, Illuminati, secular humanism" every time you see something like this?" (these are your words, not mine).

Why, LearnedHand, did you choose to bring up all of these issues in this quote? This has nothing to do with me. Why are you putting words into my mouth? Have you ever read the 1991 report that I refer to?

[Dora]

69. Issuing commands for action without providing context?

Too busy to share your knowledge or opinions or facts, only a vague allusion with a hint of secrecy, but not too busy to engage in volleys of nonsense...

:eyes:

[sdod]

70. Commands?

Where did I issue any command to anyone?

This is not about time-management, this
is about traveling the road oneself.

Besides, my opinions and knowledge is irrelevant
here. It is your own opinion and knowledge that
is relevant. You can only develop that on your
own.

[Dora]

71. Yes.

"Read about the Club of Rome before you get too excited about Al Gore. Know who you are supporting before you blindly support them. There was a book published in 1991 by two of the Club of Rome members. Get it. Read it. Find out what the groups that Al Gore belongs to talk about in private. Might just throw you off your heals."


Your post was nothing but commands, save for one sentence in the middle that refers to a book "published in 1991 by two of the Club of Rome members" but provides no title, no author names, and no concrete information by which to do a true search for the information you allude to.

What a waste of effort on everyone's part - on yours, because you persist in arguing without providing information, and on everyone else who continues to ask you for what you refuse to provide.


"heels" is a noun: heels are what we stand on and dig in as an act of resistance
"heals" is a verb: healing is what our earth requires, and it's what Gore is working for

[sdod]

74. Thank you...

...for spotting the type on the word "heals." I meant to say "heels." I stand corrected.

As for the rest, it is totally up to you if and how you pursue the information provided. My post was designed to provide information about Al Gore that virtually none of you have, as is apparent by the many subsequent post. It was NOT a mandate of any kind, for how can a simple post in a forum command anyone to do anything. That's a ludicrous argument.

But, I do find it intriguing that you expect me to spoon feed anyone here. I mean, why trust my judgment anyway, you don't even know me. What ever happened to research, reading and developing ones own 'trusted' opinion?

Kinda odd that so many will invest energy fighting to be spoon fed information, opinion and conclusion.

[Dora]

76. But you did not provide "information," as you claim.

What you provided was an anecdote about how he's a member of some club, accompanied by no actual information about the club's purpose, what the opposing concerns are, or what the real information is that you think we need to take into consideration.

What you call spoon feed we call information sharing. You've done nothing of the kind. You continue to feed speculation, but provide nothing of substance. Your posts are shallow and your arguments distractible.



And now, I find this thread boring.

[sdod]

77. Read the report

Sounds to me like you're willing to do anything possible to avoid reading the report. Now, why would that be?

[Dora]

78. You know, if the report were real, I would read it. What report?

You haven't provided a link or any content-specific search terms.

[sdod]

80. See Post #60

It looks like Flyarm found it pretty quickly

[SlowDownFast]

82. Go away.

You're at the wrong website, dude.

[sdod]

85. unfortunately.....

....you do not have enough knowledge to make any judgments whatsoever.

Or, is it just that you only want people at DU that completely agree with whatever your viewpoint is, is that what you are seeking? How does one learn from that?

Just check out the report that's been referred to in this thread, at least twice now, then you can make all the pronouncements you want.

[Flabbergasted]

6. He did say "I can not foresee a situation where I would run again."

I'm not sure I agree with the analysis. I don't think it would make a difference when he announced.

[JMDEM]

9. Perhaps he could not foresee

Any of the major Democratic candidates basically ignoring global warming.

Maybe he could not foresee the two front runners (per dubious national polls) basically giving BushCo a free pass on any war crimes if they were elected.

Maybe he could not foresee the Democratic Congress completely failing to do their jobs.

But-- sigh -- you may be right. Per your graphic, Edwards is the only other major candidate I would support at this time.

[canetoad]

26. This is not the Oscars ya know

I honestly doubt whether the committee awarding the Nobel Peace Prize could give a big fat rats arse about an election taking place half a world and over a year away.

[JMDEM]

27. Oh, I bet they are politically sensitive

By the way -- thanks for posting something on topic. :)

[losthills]

29. It's too late.

He can't run now, and he has no intention of running.

So suck it up, and prepare to vote for Hilary...

[Guaranteed]

37. Why is it too late?

Especially when one might say that he's been running for months?

[comtec]

55. DK first, then hilary

no way im goin to just suck up and vote hrc without a fight!

BTW it might be prudent to simply delete drd. He doesn't seem to understand the policies of DU.
He should read them and if he decides to follow the rules he can make a new account and play.
this is a site for two things frustration and facts.
if you want to post some tin foil hat conspiracy you had better post links (at least one)
to back it up, or go away.

Mind you we have some great tin hat forums, but keep that kind of BS there if you are incapable of posting properly.

just an annoyed DUer.

[FreakinDJ]

45. Oct 13th is my Birthday

Come on Big Daddy - jr needs a new pair of shoes

in the White House

[hiphopnation]

56. and...

we would have a Nobel Prize winner as a potential presidential candidate...what could beat that?

[stlsaxman]

58. Happy to be Rec #5! Great post! n/t

[mmonk]

61. Don't overthink it.

He probably wants to enjoy the prospect of this before he makes any final decision on the political front. But what you said may be true.

[Crabby Appleton]

67. He won't run. nt

[Hawkowl]

73. Not just waiting for the Nobel

I think however, that it is the last piece before he makes a definitive announcement of running or "not and please stop all this draft me nonsense." Candidates get in early to boost name recognition and recruit a following and set up an organization. He pretty much as all of that, except the organization on the ground--but the draft Gore movement can be viewed as a nascent grass roots organization. Much more valuable than paid operatives at this stage.

From a front runners perspective, it actually makes sense to delay entry into the race as long as possible. It is essentially a rope a dope strategy--makes your potential opponents run around swinging at each other, wasting energy and resources, while he waits to make a late entry and quick victory. Also a four month primary campaign has to be much more attractive than a 12 or 18 month marathon slog. Gore has a bitter wariness for the corrupt MSM, and a late entry gives the corporate media a much smaller target.

[DFW]

79. I don't think he will run even if he gets the Nobel and it runs on page one for a week

And that is coming from someone whose first choice is none other than Al Gore.

I just don't see it.

(But man, would I love to!)

[Cronus Protagonist]

86. He's a true hero. A true patriot. He'll run because we need him.

He will not shy away from his call to action like George did during the Vietnam war. Al Gore is America. He's the America we once were and can be once more.

http://cronus.com/gore

[DFW]

87. Agreed he will not shy away from action, BUT:

What he might consider his best chance to get something accomplished,
and what we might consider his best chance to get something accomplished
(like running and winning) might be two different things. I still fear he
might see his best chance of serving the nation as not getting involved
in an already fractious campaign fight, and necessarily pissing off people
he would need to win an election campaign.

But who knows? I only met the guy once, and though it was for a long chat,
most of it was about his getting re-elected as Vice-President, so you know
how long ago THAT was!

The only thing I am relatively sure of, is that he is keeping a close eye on
things, and if for any reason Hillary should stumble badly, the rest of them
might as well fold their campaigns now to save time and money. Some will cry
that Gore is just being an opportunist, but most will see that he has decided
that it is his duty to run. By the same token, I think that if he sees his entry
into the race at this late point making a bad situation worse, he will see it as
his duty to stay out of it.

[halobeam]

83. I just think

he knows the amount of people and how much energy is being put into drafting him, or supporting a possible or hopes of a possible presidential run..

if he KNEW he wasn't running, I think he would've said it by now. Doesn't mean he will run, but I'm leaning toward at least he isn't sure.

[canetoad]

88. FFS PEOPLE get a grip

Apples and oranges.

[Swamp Rat]

89. Geaux Ga-Ga Gore!!

:D