Which of these presidential decisions are the worst

[book_worm]

in your opinion...

p.s.
I know there are other decisions many of you will find worse, but there isn't really enough room for all of them. But feel free to add your opinions.

[cyclezealot]

1. since multiple chocies not allowed

I did not vote. In terms of Democratic interests, i'd say equally devestating for Democrats and national interests are LBJ's escalation of VIetNam and Clinton's Nafta legacy.

[Tesha]

2. I read "the Nixon pardon" a bit more broadly and voted for that

I read "the Nixon pardon" a bit more broadly than the way
it was narrowly stated in the poll and, on that basis,
voted for that.

If various Republican crimes had been fully investigated
and not "swept under the rug for the good of national
stability", it is unlikely that GHWBush or GWBush would
ever have been elected. And even if they had been elected,
many of the people they eventually included in their
administration would have been excluded as convicted
felons.

A great portion of our current difficulties is directly
traceable to the fact that we let Nixon and Reagan "get
away" with stuff that should have landed people in prison
for a long, long time.

And I'm very deeply concerned that at least one of our
current Democratic candidates for President has stated
that she would, essentially, allow GWBush's administration
to get away with it as well. Are Democrats simply incapable
of learning from the past???

Tesha

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. I have to agree.

With that, the coup pulled victory from the jaws of defeat. Carter would have gained a 2nd term because the plotters would not have been in a position to fix the hostage crisis to Reagan's benefit, after which Reagan would not have been able to successfully run in '84. The entire dynamic of the last 30 years would have been different.

That's why, when Ford kicked and even here people were calling him the 'last good republican', I was furious at his near-reagan level of deification.

He was a repub apparatichik who had covered for republican crimes for his entire career. His efforts for the coup were essential for its success.

[sandnsea]

14. That's why I voted for Iran/Contra

It would have exposed more than Nixon, as to the very root of the Bushies involvement. A Nixon investigation probably wouldn't have, I don't think Nixon was quite the puppet that was intended, which is probably what led to his paranoia.

[MrCoffee]

16. you nailed it exactly

well said! :applause:

[truebrit71]

3. Reagan....Without him, NONE of this would have occurred...

...That geriatric doddering old bastard should NEVER have been in the WH...He and his British RW Whore Margaret Thatcher did more to destroy lives of the ordinary working man than any other combination of "leaders" in history...They fucked their countries over for a friggin' profit...

A pox on them and their families...

[Toots]

19. The Democrats controlled the Senate then

Without the Democrats Scalia could never have been confirmed..

[I_Will]

4. Truman's decision allowed a *lot* of genies out of the bottle...

and we're seeing the natural and inevitible results today and in to the future.

[Truth2Tell]

9. Agreed

Those are some nasty genies. Truman gets my vote too.

[damntexdem]

6. LBJ -- Vietnam. It ultimately destoyed the liberal-Democrat hegemony.

Had it not occurred, Dubya would not have been selectable, much less have been able to create a new Vietnam in Iraq.

[book_worm]

7. others argue that it was LBJ's decision to fully embrace Civil Rights

which broke the Democratic party but in the other direction--the solid south was now gone.

[Tesha]

10. The poll question doesn't seem to be "worst for the Democratic Party".

LBJ's decision to fully embrace Civil Rights was a *GREAT*
decision and very bold. It's a shame so many Democrats ran
(and stll run) away from it.

Tesha

[book_worm]

11. yes and I agree it was a great decision

but I was responding to the previous poster saying that it was the Vietnam decision that split the democratic party from the left. But I also pointed out that the civil rights decision tore the democratic party from the right too. So the Democrats were torn apart on both ends. With the left on Vietnam and the southern conservatives on civil rights.

[Tesha]

18. Thanks -- I agree with both points (Viet Nam and Civil Rights). (NT)

[harun]

8. Other: Bush II's decision to endlessly occupy Iraq no matter the cost (n/t)

[sandnsea]

12. The Iran-Contra pardons

They're the globalists. They're at the root of the Iraq war, and every other military debacle for decades.

[Rhythm and Blue]

13. So far, I'd say LBJ and Vietnam by a mile,

but that's because Iraq hasn't fully shaken out yet. If the conflict significantly expands, that would switch my vote.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. iraq war proved we learnt nothing from history.

its a recreation of viet nam and it was just sheer stupidity and arrogance for anyone to think it wouldnt be.

[Romulox]

17. What about Clinton's MFN for China??? nt