Conyers' Judiciary Hearing on FISA!!!! On NOW on C-SPAN 2!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

:hi:

[blogslut]

1. heehee

beat u by one minute :hi:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2012556

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. I looked for a thread before I posted and didn't see one. This should be an interesting hearing!

:hi:

[blogslut]

3. Don't know

I guess we'll find out. Lamar Smith (R- duh) sez we're all gonna die if AT&T is forbidden to monitor our calls

[L. Coyote]

4. Franks up now. Claiming the "majority" is working for the terrorists!

[L. Coyote]

5. Who wrote the script Franks read?

[blogslut]

6. I guess Neal Boortz

:)

[L. Coyote]

7. Save the Constitution! Not the arses of criminal conduct of the past.

[blogslut]

8. Oh that wacky Forbes

The majority party has been listening to those commie liberals again

[L. Coyote]

9. Forbes is reading the Bush script too. They are preparing for a Bush cover-up/veto!

They need the modification to forgive past crimes of the telecoms as part of the cover-up of Bush's crime, illegal spying.

[bdamomma]

10. thanks for the heads up.

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[L. Coyote]

11. K & R

[bdamomma]

12. kick

[annabanana]

13. ALL the repugs are wetting themselves...

They are deathly askeert of them turrists that will make them pray to Allah, and give up beer and wear burkahs..

[blogslut]

14. Lungren

9-11 terra terra 9-11

Have you people forgotten that they want to KILL us? blah

[bdamomma]

16. I hate these repigs. stinking obstructionists.

[L. Coyote]

15. The rhetoric is beyond belief. Now the Dems are the enemy instead of the Terrorists.

Is this why we have the rhetorical "terrorists" in the first place, so all political enemies can be labeled with the generality?

Someone needs to get in their face for this extreme LYING!

[cali]

17. Sounds like they need a SERIOUS slap down.

Hope it's coming.

[bdamomma]

18. ugh, how much longer is this jerk going to talk.

[L. Coyote]

19. Conyers calls him on his BS. BRAVO.

[L. Coyote]

23. NADLER: "Cut out the rhetoric" RIGHT ON!

[blogslut]

20. Lungren

What a snide little ass.

"I'm glad the chairman recognized 9-11"

[bdamomma]

21. HOW ABOUT PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION!!!

sorry if I yelled.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Lungren to Conyers: "I'm glad you recognize 911." Conyers to the asshole: "I'm glad you understand

what I said." SNARK! :)

[L. Coyote]

24. Just say, "This Bill says Bush admitted illegal spying"

[L. Coyote]

25. Nadler is a true voice of reason. What a contrast to the insane R rhetoric!

[L. Coyote]

26. FORBES: "The People are Stupid" We can't get out of the weeds!

Terra, terra, terra .... the killers are coming...

Fear mongering is not the path to peace.
Fascism in not the path to peace.

False rhetoric in not the path to reason.

[bdamomma]

27. Conyers is telling it like it is.

[L. Coyote]

28. Retroactive immunity for telecommunication carrier crimes. This is the real focus

of the Rs, to aid in covering up Bush's admitted crime of illegal spying on Americans.

[bdamomma]

29. oh these friggin repigs get me sick, they are treasonous.

Lamar Smith time for me to mute off.

[MiniMe]

30. Why are these guys so intent on givng AT&T and Verizon retro

immunity? It seems like they are hammering that home.

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Because they broke the law and the lawsuits filed will probably BANKRUPT them when

they're found GUILTY.

[L. Coyote]

35. Because Bush captured ALL communication illegally and diverted them offshore

to circumvent American Law and the Constitution, according to my informant.

That's ALL communication in the USA sent outside the country to spy on anything they want, including Campaign 2004!

[OzarkDem]

40. Its about the '08 election

These changes in FISA are to help them set up the theft of the next election.

If any of the Dems in Congress hope to stay in office and have a majority, they had better get their sh*t together and fix this mess they helped create.

[L. Coyote]

47. They will illegally spy for 2008 no matter what happens here. Count on it!

There is no way to cure the Rs of their fascistic political crimes, like spying on the opposition.

[OzarkDem]

49. But we want them convicted when we catch them

If we let them "gut" FISA, there will be no way to hold them accountable.

I also hope our Dems aren't thinking they should let this go so they can turn the tables on the GOP.

My gr-grandfather, who was head of the Dem party in his Ozark county, didn't sacrifice two sons in WWII just so our Dem leaders could trash the Constitution.

[L. Coyote]

52. Indeed. They seem to be trying to build in immunities from prosecution.

[L. Coyote]

55. They are trying to cover up past crimes, to salvage some of 2008. Bush spied on US.

If the People find out the truth before 2008, they won't have anything left to salvage.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. *sigh* Lamar Smith defending AT&T and Verizon's spying on U.S. citizens.

:grr:

[bdamomma]

34. absolutely sickening we are becoming the enemy.

[L. Coyote]

32. Lamer Smith. What a string of rhetorical lies. The "liberals" are the enemies of state now!

[bdamomma]

36. Nadler is up now.

[bdamomma]

37. they hate courts and laws, geez, I hate these people.

stop jerking the American people around.

[bdamomma]

38. why so much BS Lungren up again?

time to mute again. yea, and no one from this sickening regime did anything on 9/11, it can't be any clearer to me that the government had a hand in this one, oh, well that's another subject.

[annabanana]

39. Lungren is a COWARD!

He's a snivelling, quivering coward.

He sees turrists under his bed..

[blogslut]

41. Lungren

"What's missing here?"

Your soul, perhaps?

[bdamomma]

42. they love to bring up FEAR and 9/11.

[L. Coyote]

43. Lungren: Breaking the law is "Responding in a Patriotic way." Finally, patriotism defined by Rs

Great. We finally have the Republicans defining patriotism as breaking the law!

[L. Coyote]

44. CONYERS: Again, calling them on their false rhetoric. PLUS, we don't know what crimes

you are asking us to forgive with retroactive immunity.

I would ask Lungren if he knows what he asks be forgiven?? Put it in their FACES!

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. GOOD! That piece of shit amendment is DOA! Sheesh. These Brown-shirts are frightening

as hell! They LOVE fascism!

[bdamomma]

50. I wish we could deport their asses out of the country.

[L. Coyote]

51. If lying was a crime, they could all be handcuffed by now!

[L. Coyote]

46. At moments like this we see how important the 2006 election was! YEAH DEMS!!!

[cali]

48. No kidding. Thank god for that. n/t

[blogslut]

53. Lunch

Back @ 1:30 pm EST

[L. Coyote]

54. TPM: McConnell Not So Hot on Dem FISA Bill

McConnell Not So Hot on Dem FISA Bill
By Spencer Ackerman - Oct 10, 2007
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004421.php

The ACLU has its differences, you might say, with Admiral Mike McConnell. Its website, for instance, features a page (http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/31879prs20070920.html) with the sub-headline, "McConnell Tries to Scare America in to Giving Up Fourth Amendment." But they do share one thing in common: neither much likes the Democratic RESTORE Act.

To be clear, the ACLU's opposition is intense (http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/32104prs20071009.html), and centered around the so-called "umbrella warrants," whereby the director of national intelligence and the attorney general submit an annual explanation to the FISA Court outlining why their surveillance methods target non-U.S. persons "reasonably believed to be outside the United States... for the purpose of collecting foreign intelligence information." McConnell's concerns, it's safe to say, don't center around whether umbrella authorizations violate the Fourth Amendment. Rather, he's concerned about the bill not providing retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies who cooperated with warrantless surveillance requests from 2001 to 2007. He's also more tentative than the ACLU, leaving himself room to negotiate with Congressional Democrats.

From McConnell spokesman Ross Feinstein: .....

[L. Coyote]

56. GAVEL: Judiciary Completes Markup of FISA Revisions

Judiciary Completes Markup of FISA Revisions
Oct 10th, 2007 by Jesse Lee
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=835


From the Judiciary Committee:

House Judiciary Passes RESTORE Act to Implement FISA Revisions

(Washington, DC)- Today, the House Judiciary Committee passed the “RESTORE” Act - The Responsible Electronic Surveillance that is Overseen, Reviewed, and Effective Act of 2007 (H.R. 3773). The bill seeks to update the hastily passed Protect America Act and implement safeguards to protect Americans’ civil liberties while providing the tools needed to support U.S. intelligence gathering efforts. The bill was reported favorably out of the committe, in a vote of 20-14.

Upon passage and following President Bush’s remarks about today’s action, Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) said: “Those who oppose this bill are doing so for one reason: they are trying to convince Americans that those of us who support this legislation are somehow less committed to protecting this country from attack. They will pretend this bill doesn’t meet our nation’s security needs, despite the fact that it gives the Director of National Intelligence everything he said he needed.

“Americans are willing to make sacrifices to meet true national security imperatives, but they should not give up their rights unnecessarily, just to allow one political party to score points. This bill–the RESTORE Act–successfully provides the national security tools needed to go after terrorists and protects vital rights of Americans. The bill’s opponents know this but find it more convenient to pretend otherwise.”

The final bill passed with three amendments: ...............