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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:48 PM
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"I knew shooter was white-as soon as he shot himself-Hip-hoppers don't do that-They Shoot & Move-on"
and he says he's NOT a rasist!?!

Thu, Oct 11, 2007 2:34pm ET

Gibson knew school shooter was white because "Black shooters don't" shoot themselves; "they shoot and move on"

Summary: On his radio show, while discussing an incident in which a student shot four people at his Cleveland high school before killing himself, John Gibson asserted that "I know the shooter was white. I knew it as soon as he shot himself. Hip-hoppers don't do that. They shoot and move on to shoot again."

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"Hip-hoppers do not kill themselves. They walk away. Now, I didn't need to hear the kid was white with blond hair. Once he'd shot himself in the head, no hip-hopper." Gibson later stated, "I know the shooter was white. I knew it as soon as he shot himself. Hip-hoppers don't do that. They shoot and move on to shoot again." Gibson added: "I know there's a few of you who want to call me racist. But when you do, remind -- let me remind you, African-Americans are dying in major cities because people won't face this problem."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710110004


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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:50 PM
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1. #1 with a bullet (no pun intended)
for the top Conservative Idiot for next week.
what an asshole! total scumbag!
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:52 PM
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2. That is astounding.
Even from an idiot bigot like him.

Jeezuss.



TC



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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:54 PM
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3. Been drinking O'lielly brand kool-aid johnny?
Next thing you know he'll be saying those who survived were "phoney" students.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:57 PM
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4. Hmm.
Who's going to be the first one to show up and explain to us why this isn't racist?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:58 PM
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5. Wow . . . . just . . . wow
What year is it again?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:59 PM
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6. On any normal station, he'd be fired.
But only on FoX can you get away with saying bullshit like this and other veiled and not-so-veiled racist remarks . . . like for instance, calling Helen Thomas an "old Arab".

That weird frankenbastard Gibson is pigshit mucous. And that's insulting pigshit.

Imus should have been on Fox. He'd be promoted for sure instead of unemployed.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 02:59 PM
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7. Outrageously racist and ignorant does not even begin to describe that remark.
Typical for FAUX NOISE empty-headed twits.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:00 PM
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8. John Gibson is an idiot. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:01 PM
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9. African-Americans are dying because they 're less likely to shoot themselves?
And what IS the difference between a "black" and a hip-hopper?

:crazy:
rocknation
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:03 PM
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10. So black kids are "hip-hoppers"?
Are the Latino kids "salsa dancers"? :sarcasm:
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:06 PM
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13. And white guys cant dance at all....No rhythm. n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:13 PM
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32. That's actually true
B-)
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:54 PM
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36. no shoot..
gibson can kiss my white ass!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:03 PM
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11. Can anyone say bigoted stupidity?
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:06 PM
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12. I knew he was white when it was revealed it was a school shooting
How many school shootings involve hip hoppers?

I can't think of one. It seems to me whenever there is a school shooting you can take it to the bank, it involves white people.

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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:33 PM
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19. Bravo!
Great post.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:39 PM
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22. Yes, and also how many blacks commit suicide after killing others?

I can only think of one case.

So he was fine to say he knew the shooter must be white, until he said "blacks move on to shoot again." And whites don't??? Hello, do a reality check, moran.

Had there ever been a black serial killer before the D.C. snipers??? Not that I recall.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:40 PM
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34. Serial killer seems to be a classification thingy
When whites kill people they call them "serial killers"
makes for an easier insanity defense.
when people of color kill people they are
gansters, thugs, murderers, etc.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:45 PM
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40. Maury Travis, Wayne Williams, Coral Eugene Watts
Just to name a few. Sweeping statements are best left to broom salesmen.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:04 PM
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24. i think you mean a school shooting covered by the national media
there's got to be hundreds of other incidents across America, but nobody knows about them because the shootings involved minorities. Or maybe its not racist, but classist - poor kids, in poor neighborhoods getting shot and no news coverage.

If there's a school shooting on CNN, you better believe it's not going to be about some kids in Bed-Sty, Brooklyn or outside Philly or Atlanta or wherever. Same thing with abductions - only pretty white girls and boys get coverage.

There are exceptions of course, but this is the rule.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:36 PM
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29. I don't know. I'm sure there are some smaller incidents

they don't cover but are there really mass shootings that don't make the national news? Wonder where we could find statistics about school shootings?

Abductions, yes, they focus on white victims, and not ugly ones either.

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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:35 PM
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39. true
there are so many shootings in this country its difficult to sort through them all and figure these things out...sigh...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:18 PM
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26. There are a few - most will happen right outside the school
We've had a couple in Pittsburgh recently. Usually they don't involve a high number of victims and they are local stories.

All the mass killings I remember have been white.

Still Gibson is a racist *ss!
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:44 PM
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35. Ever heard of Virginia Tech?
The massacre there was committed by an Asian man.

And that's just from the top of my head, from the highest profile shootings recently.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:56 PM
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38. Of course I heard of VT
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 07:57 PM by MagickMuffin
however, was that committed by what Gibson calls Hip Hoppers. I don't think so. I believe Gibson is referring to black people. Which as you stated, this crime was committed by an Asian man. Big difference in my opinion.

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 04:49 PM
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41. So when you said
"whenever there is a school shooting you can take it to the bank, it involves white people," what else did you mean except that the shooter is white? So are Asians white? Or are you wrong?
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:36 AM
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42. Well VT was the same that I am of that involved a different race
Most of the shootings up until then have been by white people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/school_violence/school_shootings.html

http://www.psychceu.com/school_violence/schoolviolence_course.asp


1. Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was a student at the University of Texas at Austin who shot and killed 14 people (including those who survived the initial shooting but later died as a result of their injuries) and wounded 31 others from the observation deck of the University's Main Building of The University of Texas at Austin on August 1, 1966. He did this shortly after murdering his wife and mother. He was eventually shot and killed by Austin police.

white

2. Edward Charles Allaway was a custodian who worked at the California State University, Fullerton. On July 12, 1976, he opened fire with a .22 caliber rifle in the library basement, killing seven and injuring two.

white

3. On Monday, January 29, 1979, Brenda Ann Spencer wounded eight children and one police officer and killed principal Burton Wragg and custodian Mike Suchar in a shooting spree at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego, California, United States.

white

4. In St. Louis County, Missouri, United States, on Thursday, January 20, 1983, Parkway South Junior High School (this facility is currently known as Parkway South Middle School) eighth-grader David F. Lawler shot two of his classmates then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide.

white

5. Patrick Edward Purdy (? – January 17, 1989) was a mass murderer who killed 5 children, all Southeast Asian refugees, and wounded 30 others in the Stockton massacre at Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California, on January 17, 1989. After perpetrating the shooting, he shot himself to death. He was a drug addict with a long history of criminal offenses and mental disturbance.

white

6. Gang Lu (born in Beijing) (1963 - November 1, 1991 ) was a Chinese physics student enrolled in the PhD program at the University of Iowa. On Friday, November 1, 1991, using a .38 caliber revolver and also carrying a .22 caliber handgun, he shot five people to death, seriously wounded another, and then committed suicide in what is called the Gang Lu Massacre.

asian

7. On December 14, 1992, Wayne Lo carried out a shooting rampage. That morning he received an ammunition order that he had placed two days earlier. He then went to Pittsfield, MA and purchased an SKS at a gun shop that afternoon. Lo commenced shooting at around 10:30 pm. Lo killed two people and injuried four.

Lo surrendered to the police after his rifle jammed and he called 911, informing them that he was the shooter. He was taken into custody without incident.

asian

8. Barry Loukaitis (born February 26, 1981) is a convicted American murderer, who killed 3 people in a school shooting at Frontier Junior High, in Moses Lake, Washington on February 2, 1996.

white

9. Luke Woodham (born February 5, 1981) is a convicted American murderer, and a former resident of Pearl, Mississippi, who killed three people, including his own mother, and wounded seven in 1997. He is serving life in prison.

white

10. The Heath High School shooting occurred at Heath High School in West Paducah, Kentucky, United States, on Monday December 1, 1997. Fourteen-year-old Michael Carneal opened fire on a group of praying students killing 3 girls and wounding 5 others.

white

11. The Jonesboro school massacre occurred on Tuesday, March 24, 1998, in Craighead County, Arkansas, near northwestern Jonesboro. Four female students and a teacher were killed, and nine other students and a teacher were wounded, by two armed middle school boys: Mitchell Johnson, age 13, and Andrew Golden, age 11.

white

12. On May 20, 1998, student Kipland "Kip" Kinkel killed his parents, William and Faith, both Spanish teachers at local high schools. On May 21, 1998, he arrived at class at Thurston, murdering 2 of his classmates, Ben Walker and Mikael Nicklauson, and injuring 25. Kinkel was subdued by fellow students, at least one of which had himself been shot. Kinkel had brought three weapons to the high school, a .22 caliber rifle, a .22 caliber handgun, and a 9mm Glock semi-automatic pistol.

white

13. The Columbine High School massacre occurred on Tuesday, April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School in unincorporated Jefferson County, Colorado (the CDP of Columbine) near Denver and Littleton. Two students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, embarked on a shooting rampage, killing 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 23 others, before committing suicide.

white

14. The shooting at Heritage High came one month exactly after the massacre at Columbine High School. After Columbine, the officials wrote to the parents of students at Heritage reassuring them that such an attack was unlikely at their school. Little did they know that Thomas Solomon Jr. (who was called T.J. by his friends) had other plans for the school.
T.J. was a 15 year old sophomore at the time of the shooting. He was described as a quiet kid with a few close friends. His family moved to Conyers two years prior to the shooting and he lived with his mother, stepfather and 13 year old sister. T.J. was taking Ritalin, which is usually prescribed for hyperactivity. A friend of the family said that his grades had been falling during the past year and that he had been medically treated for depression. He was also a Boy Scout and attended Catholic church. On the night before the shooting, T.J. attended a youth service at the Catholic church.
T.J took the guns that he used, a 22 caliber sawed-off rifle and a .375 caliber handgun, from his stepfather's gun cabinet. He had access to higher powered guns but for some reason these were the guns that he chose to use to kill. He stuck the rifle down his baggy jeans pants leg and put the handgun in his bookbag and went to school. On May 20, 1999 Heritage High School entered the rash of school shootings. He injuried six people.

white

15. Santana High School was the site of a school shooting which occurred there on March 5, 2001, when fifteen-year old Santana High student Charles Andrew Williams opened fire with a pistol, killing fellow students Randy Gordon and Bryan Zuckor, and wounding 13 others. The two adults who were shot were a student teacher and a young security supervisor.

white

16. On January 16, 2002, 43-year-old Peter Odighizuwa, a Nigerian former student at the Appalachian School of Law, arrived on the campus. While numerous reports stated that Odighizuwa had flunked out of school or had been suspended, Jeremy Davis, former dean and professor of law at the school, later said that Odighizuwa had withdrawn voluntarily due to poor academic performance. Odighizuwa even stated in a later interview that he "had a C average."
Odighizuwa first discussed his academic problems with professor Dale Rubin, where he reportedly told Rubin to pray for him. Odighizuwa returned to the school around 1:00 and proceeded to the offices of Dean Anthony Sutin and Professor Thomas Blackwell, where he opened fire with a .380 ACP semi-automatic handgun. According to a county coroner, powder burns indicated that both victims were shot at point blank range. Also killed along with the two faculty members was a student, Angela Denise Dales, age 33. Three other people were wounded.

black

17. The Rocori High School shooting was a school shooting that occurred in Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States on September 24, 2003. The shooting was perpetrated by then 15-year-old John Jason McLaughlin who murdered Rocori High School classmates Seth Bartell, 15, and Aaron Rollins, 17.

white

18. The Red Lake High School massacre was a school massacre that took place on Monday, March 21, 2005 in which Jeffrey Weise, a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota, killed seven people including a teacher and a security guard before committing suicide. He had also killed two others before shooting at the school.
Weise had previously killed his paternal grandfather, Daryl Lussier, a police officer, while he was sleeping. He also killed Lussier's girlfriend and police partner, Michelle Sigana, at home before going to school to commit the massacre. Seven others were wounded. When police cornered Weise inside the school, he shot and killed himself. Another student, Louis Jourdain, believed to be involved in planning the event was arrested one week after the shootings. He was charged with conspiracy to commit murder based on several email messages he exchanged with Jeff Weise which involved plans for the Red Lake High School massacre. The conspiracy charge was eventually dropped, though he pled guilty to transmitting threatening messages through the Internet. Jourdain was the son of Floyd Jourdain Jr., the Tribal Chairman of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa Native Americans.

white

19. On November 8, 2005, Campbell County High School was the victim of an on campus shooting. Then 15-year-old student Kenneth Bartley Jr. shot three school administrators using a .22-calibre handgun. The three victims of the shooting were principal Gary Seale and assistant principals Ken Bruce and Jim Pierce. Ken Bruce was fatally shot in the chest. On April 10, 2007, Kenneth Bartley Jr. plead guilty to a single count of second-degree murder and two counts of attempted second-degree murder, and was sentenced to 45 years in prison.

white

20. The Platte Canyon High School shooting was an incident that occurred at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colorado, on September 27, 2006. 53-year-old Duane Roger Morrison entered the school building, claiming to be carrying a bomb. He was initially reported as a bearded 35-year-old man with a camouflage backpack and dark hooded sweatshirt. Morrison took six female students hostage and sexually assaulted them, later releasing four. When police entered the classroom, Morrison opened fire before shooting hostage Emily Keyes in the head. The other remaining hostage escaped unharmed, and paramedics confirmed that Morrison had committed suicide. Keyes was pronounced dead at 4:32 p.m. MDT (23:32 UTC) at Saint Anthony's Hospital in Denver, Colorado after undergoing emergency surgery

white

21. Eric Hainstock, a ninth-grader at Weston High School shooting, entered the school with a handgun and a shotgun, both owned by his parents. After arriving at school at approximately 8:00 a.m., he aimed the shotgun at a teacher, but it was wrestled from him by the custodian. A struggle ensued, and the shotgun was taken away.
Still armed with the handgun, Hainstock sought out and confronted the school's principal, John Alfred Klang. Klang attempted to subdue Hainstock; in response, Hainstock shot Klang several times. Klang then managed to sweep away the gun and wrestle Hainstock to the ground, where others helped to hold him down.
Klang was treated at Reedsburg Area Medical Center and then flown to the University of Wisconsin Hospital in Madison, where he later died as a result of the wounds he received.
Hainstock was arrested and charged with first degree intentional homicide by the Sauk County District Attorney's office.
Hainstock was found guilty of first degree intentional homicide on August 2, 2007. He was sentenced at 10 a.m. on August 3, 2007 to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 30 years.

white

22. The Amish school shooting occurred on the morning of Monday, October 2, 2006, when a gunman took hostages and eventually killed five girls (aged 7–13) and then killed himself at West Nickel Mines School, a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Nickel Mines, a village in Bart Township of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States.

white

23. On January 3, 2007 at 7:20 a.m. PST, Douglas Chanthabouly entered Henry Foss High School and shot Samnang Kok. The school proceeded to enter lockdown. Students were moved to the school's gymnasium. Students were locked down until police secured the building at approximately 9:00 a.m. Some students were bused across town to Wilson High School, but were later taken back to Foss, causing some confusion and stress to parents. The nearby school of Bellarmine Prep was also put on high alert.

not sure

24. The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting comprising two separate attacks about two hours apart on April 16, 2007, on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Virginia, United States. The perpetrator, Seung-Hui Cho, killed 32 people and wounded many more, before committing suicide, making it the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Cho, a South Korean who had moved to the United States at age eight, was a senior English major at Virginia Tech.

asian

25. The SuccessTech Academy shooting is a school shooting that took place on October 10, 2007 at SuccessTech high school in Cleveland, Ohio. The perpetrator, Asa H. Coon, wounded at least four people, including two teachers and two students; another student was injured fleeing from the school. Coon had been suspended on Monday, October 8, after fighting with another student during a disagreement involving Coon's atheism, and returned on Wednesday, October 10, with two guns and began shooting. Coon reportedly then committed suicide.

white



From my research you can make your own judgment. But as you can see most of the shooters were white 20 in this list. Three asians and only one black person that I can find. One I wasn't sure about.

But please by all means you can offer more info on black hip hoppers shooting classmates.
And as I stated John Gibson was referencing black people.

So, yeah I stand by my statement, that you can take it to the bank most school shootings are committed by white people.

And to answer your question I don't think asians are white.











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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:24 AM
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43. Except that you weren't saying "most" at first
So you aren't actually standing by your statement, you've revised it to be more accurate.

I think someone elsewhere in this thread has the correct idea, that when a black student shoots someone the media either ignore it or classify it as "gang related" as they often don't produce the "mass shooting" ratings-boosting images (SWAT teams, kids streaming out with their hands in the air etc.) that many of the white student shootings have involved.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:25 AM
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44. A possible third option could be the term "take it to the bank"
Generally it means a sure thing, but I have heard it used colloquially, as in "overwhelming odds" -- like "You think this team will win?" "Oh, you can take it to the bank!"

In such a case, it describes an act of faith or odds, rather than as absolute 100% always empirical truth.

Just a more liberal interpretation, probably due to my personality - I tend to give people leeway when in a friendly discussion board, or friends around the table just shooting the breeze and such about what a racist dick that John Gibson is...the point of the OP and MMuffin's riff/wordplay in reaction to it.

Other people tend to be more absolutist, and try to score points over a small mistake in grammar or spelling, or the lack of a qualifier.
We all know people like that.


Heck, I get an urge when people use "their/they're" incorrectly, for example - but have learned to refrain, for the sake of politeness - sometimes it is difficult, so you have my sympathy.


But hey, score your points Mighty warrior!
Make her admit she is wrong, in public! It will make you look BIG!
Maybe you can make a fellow progressive feel inadequate to you. Cool!
Hunting season on DU. What a waste.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:06 PM
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14. Gibson couldn't hold a job at a legitimate news organization n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:11 PM
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15. Well, from a profiling standpoint...
...much like with serial killers, mass-murder-suiciders tend to be middle class white males. It's not unheard of to break that profile, but yeah it's sort of what you expect.

(Profiling itself can be a useful investigatory tool; the problem is when it causes an arrest/detention burden through thoughtless and heavy-handed administration)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:14 PM
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16. btw, why did he have to bring race into this?
And apparently he assumes all young blacks are hip-hoppers.
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:19 PM
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17. There are ...
white kids that are into hip-hop. And white rappers too. For example - Eminem, Beasty Boyz, House of Pain, Bubba Sparxxx, Kid Rock, Insane Clown Posse and others.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:21 PM
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18. Guaranteed Worst Person In World Candidate For Keith Tonight nt
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:02 PM
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30. That was my first thought, too. Disgusting and ignorant, that Gibson idiot. nt
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:36 PM
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20. Saying blacks "move on to shoot again" is racist

but I can't think of any school shootings committed by blacks, whether or not the shooter killed himself.

I also can't recall any mass killings outside of schools that were committed by a black person who then killed himself, with one notable exception.

Perhaps suicide is less common in blacks? I'm not sure I've ever seen any statistics on that. But I know there have been many mass killings by whites who then committed suicide.


So if I heard of a school shooting or other mass killing spree that ended with the suicide of the perpetrator, it would be logical for me to think the killer is probably white, based on the history I know.

But saying blacks "move on to shoot again" is illogical because it ignores all the white killers who "move on to shoot again." That makes it a racist statement as well as an inaccurate one.

Plenty of whites kill over and over again, either because they're in gangs or because they're serial killers.

I'm not sure there had ever been a black serial killer before the D.C. snipers.

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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:35 PM
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28. off the top off my head...
"I'm not sure there had ever been a black serial killer before the D.C. snipers."

colin ferguson (i don't know if you can count that as 'serial'), yahweh ben yahweh, wayne williams.


What Gibson said was definitely racist, btw.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:57 PM
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37. "I can't think of any school shootings committed by blacks,"
There have been several. They often get dismissed as "gang violence." A week or two after Columbine a black kid shot up a black school after his girlfriend dumped him. They are dismissed by the media. It's the exact same thing as when they go ape-shit when a blond girl gets kidnapped, and completely ignored a kidnapped black kid.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:37 PM
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21. Racism aside, I cannot argue with his logic.
As soon as we heard that there were mulitple victims and the shooter had done himself, my girlfriend made some comment along the lines of, "Wow, you don't hear much about black, inner-city kids shooting a bunch of people at school".

I replied, "Nah, the shooter had to be white".

As a matter of fact, I cannot think of a single non-gang-related, non-robbery (or dope deal), or domestic incident multiple-victim situation where a black shooter shot himself dead.

Maybe someone else can come up with such an incident.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:01 PM
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23. I know of ONE instance where a black shooter killed himself.

In 1999, a black man in Atlanta killed his girlfriend, four of her children, her sister, and himself. Her 11 year-old son survived by hiding in a closet for hours, not sure if the man was still there.

It was Atlanta's worst mass homicide of the century. The man freaked out because his girlfriend had told him it was over between them. It was very surprising to those who knew him. He wasn't a violent man prior to that day, was described as gentle. His sister was stunned and apologetic about her brother's actions, couldn't believe he would have ever done such a thing.

I remembered the incident but had to do a search for the details. Very sad. I have often wondered how all the survivors are doing, including those in the man's family.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:17 PM
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25. I remember that. It was awful, but it was domestic.
But, as I stated in my reply, I was talking about a shooting in a public place that wasn't crime, gang, or domestically related.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 04:29 PM
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27. Yes, I misread your post, thought you were including

those, not excluding them.

I just home from having an MRI of my head, which could be why I misread it. If you've never had one, the machine makes all kinds of noise and it takes half an hour or more. I'm going to go take a nap before I misread anything else!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:12 PM
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31. Statistically speaking this is probably accurate
we caucasians seem to have the league point lead in going wacko.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:13 PM
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33. stupid.
Black school shooters are rare. Did he mention that?
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:22 AM
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45. Deep breath ...
"let me remind you, African-Americans are dying in major cities because people won't face this problem."

What problem, the lack of murder-suicides?

Mr. Gibson has devolved so far his opposable thumbs are endangered.
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