Can Al Gore Be Trusted?

[Zandor]

...

I remember a politician whose words on the environment were not matched by later actions; a politician whose foreign policy views were often militarist and whose economic views were often corporatist.

I remember Vice President Gore -- despite having written the environmental manifesto "Earth in the Balance," which highlighted the impact of auto emissions -- as the Clinton administration's leader in a "partnership" with Detroit auto makers that failed to increase fuel efficiency standards one inch in eight years.

I remember a vice president who was the administration's go-to-guy in promoting corporate-oriented trade deals like NAFTA, with their obvious negative impacts on the global environment and on workers' rights. (Asked recently about NAFTA by Larry King, Gore's position seems to have changed very little.)

...

And I remember a presidential candidate in 2000 emptied of progressive principles by Beltway consultants so afraid of the American people and democracy that they believe a Democrat must win largely through stealth. A candidate who chose as his campaign chair William Daley, the NAFTA campaign czar despised by labor unions. And as his running-mate Joe Lieberman, who aided Bush's side in the Florida fight.


http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0719-32.htm

[BeFree]

1. And maybe

....you have a bad memory? It seems like it has failed a bit.

Too, I have certainly changed a lot in 8 years... how 'bout you?

[stlsaxman]

2. Are you Jeff Cohen?

if not- there are copyright law's, y'know.

if so- remind me to skip your articles.

[Zandor]

5. Any untruths in the article? n/t

[libnnc]

7. DU rules state that you can

post no more than three paragraphs from an article.

Three paragraphs, then a link.

Fix it.

[stlsaxman]

8. truths or not-

just sounds like parroting of the MSM talking points... especially on this his finest day...

"Is this the new Al Gore?" (big Al Gore sigh) :eyes:

[Zandor]

10. So doesn't matter if it's true?

Those are things the right would like, the left wing of the Democratic party should be leery of.

[Lautremont]

13. What's true are the rules of DU, which is where you've posted this.

Learn them, live them, love them.

[Liberal In Texas]

65. Somebody thinks they're being very

cleaver, aren't they?

Snot-nosed poser.

[FogerRox]

29. I just read the article

Like many progressives, I've grown to appreciate the new Gore. Beginning in 2002 when leading Democrats had lost their voices, a reborn Gore spoke out loudly against Bush policies (and irritated mainstream pundits) through a series of speeches on Iraq, foreign policy, economics and the assault on our precious Constitutional freedoms.

Gore broke with former allies in the party establishment, worked closely with grassroots groups like MoveOn and endorsed the upstart Howard Dean in the primaries. He even spoke haltingly in favor of single-payer national health insurance.

Many progressives have a message for Al: Get into the presidential race... but free of the old corporatist baggage.

And don't make fools of us again.

[Zandor]

32. Thanks for your comment

Gore may indeed have changed, but his history as a centrist is unquestioned. He was proud of having founded the DLC with From.

[FogerRox]

70. When Clinton picked Gore as VP, I was joking the Clinton had picked a republican.

Though he has earned some progressive strips during the last few years.

[malaise]

3. whatever n/t

[partylessinOhio]

4. He's NOT running so why put him through the meat grinder.

Can't we just say congratulations?

[Zandor]

6. I'm just amazed

that folks here don't remember how centrist this guy is. Like me, actually.

[Virginia Dare]

15. I remember Zandor...

I wasn't thrilled about his candidacy back in 2000, but I voted for him, because there was no other choice. Nader was never an option for me. I was devastated when the SCOTUS decision came down, and I was hurt for a time that he wouldn't call them out for stealing it, but I understand why he didn't.

I understand he's changed and perhaps he has. If he runs, and he's nominated I'll vote for him again.

I applaud him for his good works on climate change, and I congratulate him for the Nobel.

[Zandor]

18. The Gore I remember was like me

Quite moderate. Some think he's done a 180. I take a wait and see.

If he were the nominee, I'd support him.

[Mrs. Overall]

22. Zandor, you're no Al Gore.

[uppityperson]

62. Hi pax, I love

ignore function. Carry on!

[mmonk]

14. Too difficult with some it seems.

And after the MLK Day speech last year, yeah I would think most trust him (in answer to the OP). But I'm with you. Congratulations are in order today.

[TheWraith]

53. Oh come on. You know DUers will take any opportunity to bash Dems.

Particularly for being too "moderate," or "centerist," or their favorite word, "corporatist."

[Zandor]

54. And Gore was certainly centrist

in his governing and campaigns.

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[babylonsister]

12. ...

:applause: :applause: The schtick's getting old.

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[tabasco]

48. Really.

WTF?

[Hydra]

11. Well, if Gore is truly not viable

Then we're sunk. Toast.

I like that idea, actually. The sooner the Titanic sinks, the sooner we can get started building a better boat. This one sucks, except for the first class section.

[Peregrine Took]

16. Article is from 7/06. I was prepared to hate this guy but, as much as I love

Al, Cohen reminds us that there was an "old Al" who I didn't love quite so much and the "new" Al that I do. Good points but I think the "new" Al is here to stay.

[Pastiche423]

17. Trust Gore? YES!

Trust you? NO!

[opihimoimoi]

19. Pissing on a mans parade is EVIL.....at the very least, wait a fucking DAY....get a life...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. "Trust"? I don't" trust any" politician. We're not supposed to "trust" our government.

I held my nose and voted for Al in 2000. If he's nominated, I will, in his case, probably do so again. But, trust him, or any other politician? No.


"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
Thomas Paine

[Mike03]

21. Jesus God...

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[Mike03]

24. Heh... Thanks what you posted to this thread earlier

I'm so confused by this individual's posts, but I know it is against the rules to get personal.

I just wish this person would take a few days off or something.

[Beetwasher]

25. Absolutely Nothing To Be Confused About

It's pretty obvious what's going on and ridicule is your friend! Try it! You'll like it!

[stlsaxman]

26. .

[Hydra]

28. Very nice

Thank you, Vanna!

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[Swamp Rat]

27. poo poo thread!!

[renie408]

30. Did you guys hear something??? n/t

[JNelson6563]

35. Nothing worth noting.

I note the ramping up of attacks on President Gore from this particular Hillary supporter for the last couple of days. Just before and now since the Nobel announcement.

Paging Dr. Freud! ;-)

Julie

[HughBeaumont]

31. Wow, it just wouldn't be DU without a Zardoz flamebait thread.

This time, doing the bidding of the MSM "discredit the potential tossed wrench in the Hillary Express" campaign.

Right on schedule.

[Zandor]

34. Hillary is centrist, like I am

I am suggesting Gore's history is much the same, perhaps more so.

[Clintonista2]

37. Hillary is the 16'th most progressive member of congress

Hardly "centrist"

[JackRiddler]

39. By what measure...

and why should we care?

[stlsaxman]

66. Apply directly to the forehead!

[HughBeaumont]

45. Refresh my memory . . .

. . . are "progressives" buddy/buddy with Rupert Murdoch, Big Insurance and Indian outsourcing companies? Do "progressives" believe the worst president in America's history's "evidence" when it comes to sending kids off to die in useless and veiled energy-market grabs? Do "progressives" vote "yes" on the 2001 Bankruptcy bill? Do "progressives" talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to free trade and job offshoring?

Sorry, but an enabler isn't the type of "leader" I want running this country, thank you very much.

[JNelson6563]

38. Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

And here I was thinking it smelled more like fear. Fear of a Gore candidacy.

Not that I blame you. Until it is announced that there will definitely NOT be a run for the WH by the once-elected=to-the-WH-by-popular-vote, Emmy & Oscar-winning, world-wide-concert-coordinating, Nobel winning, respected-around-the-world Gore, anyone who is heart and soul for another candidate has much, much to fear.

Julie

[Mrs. Overall]

49. Fear is the word here. A quick review of Zandor's posts indicate he's scared shitless of

Hillary
Pelosi
Cindy
Terrorists
Insurgents
Gays
Gandhi
Martin Luther King
AL GORE--OOGA, BOOGA!!

[Zandor]

51. I'm not wild about

Cindy
Terrorists
Insurgents

Not sure where you're getting the rest.

[RevCheesehead]

36. ...

:popcorn:

[SeattleGirl]

41. Think I'll join you, Rev.

:popcorn:

[RevCheesehead]

43. need a drink, too?

:toast:

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Zandor...Zandor...Zandor

Activists and politicians have very different obligations...A politician is obligated to get elected... That necessarily involves compromise...


on edit- Fixed isn't to is...It is a long day

[Zandor]

46. On edit, a good point

Al Gore the activist will have to change his rhetoric if he becomes Al Gore, politician.

[H2O Man]

47. Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair n/t

[Swamp Rat]

52. LOLOLOL!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[H2O Man]

59. Can you trust

her hair? Should we vote for Slim Whitman?

[Swamp Rat]

60. Slim Pickens

YAAAAHOOOO!

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Trusted. Trusted.... "Trusted".

Just one of many words that start with "Tr".

[Uncle Joe]

55. Whose your daddy Zandor? That's right Al Gore

the man whose trust you doubt, empowered you to post such a stupid corporate media inspired question for all the world to see, unless of course you work for the corporate media. However even if you did work for the corporate media, I'm sure your personal thoughts and feelings would be restricted somewhat unless they comply with your parent corporate media rules.

The upshot is, with out Al Gore's vision and dedication to the people while he was in Congress, the Internet still might not exist in it's current form, and I wouldn't know Zandor from shinola.

For this alone, I will always trust Al Gore.

[Zandor]

56. His work there was vital n/t

[spanone]

57. so you wouldn't vote for gore, who cares?

[ConsAreLiars]

58. Still at the game, Slick?

I can think of a variety of reasons for you to keep playing, but none very flattering. I suppose there might be some way you think posts like these are constructive, but I can't come up with any. Maybe you can explain, or maybe it is just a question of different goals.

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[susanna]

63. ...and I believe this post...

...is designed to divide people.

So, thanks for nothing.

[Liberal In Texas]

64. Step outside.

I would like to push my index finger in front of your face.

And say, "You fuckin' do this again, you have me to answer to."

That post is nothing more than flame-bait, and you know it.

Now, fuck off.

[Forkboy]

67. More so than you can.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. "Got My Ass Kicked Doing Community Service"

:P

[Junkdrawer]

69. Manufacturing Acquiescence...

Hillary is inevitable...you may not like her, but you CAN'T oppose her....everyone else is just as bad...Hillary is inevitable...you may not like her, but you CAN'T oppose her....everyone else is just as bad...Hillary is inevitable...you may not like her, but you CAN'T oppose her....everyone else is just as bad...Hillary is inevitable...you may not like her, but you CAN'T oppose her....everyone else is just as bad...