Why is Pelosi clapping?

[cool user name]

Seriously, I want to know!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

1. far too much pandering imo

On edit -- after seeing other comments I agree there is no need for providing Faux Nothing ammo, but it still grates on me.

[bridgit]

2. she is only responding to items she is in agreement over...

when they pull back, the dem side is just sitting there as is she

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. it hurts her not one bit to be polite.

It also prevents freeperland and Faux Noise Channel from attacking her on stupid points.


no, she is doing great, considering the company she presently keeps.

[Mortos]

4. Yeah

what the fuck is wrong with a little booing, catcalling, hissing and throwing feces?

[cool user name]

8. She doesn't have to clap at the bullshit Moron is saying. n/t

[SemperEadem]

23. it isn't the British Parliament

Or the Canadian Parliament for that matter---

I like Parliament free for alls--like they have in Asia. Now, that's lawmaking!!

[treestar]

108. I like that, we should do it that way

We have too much worry over "decorum" regarding politicians. Maybe it is because we don't have royalty, but in our country, we should be over that!

[Olney Blue]

5. I wouldn't say it was enthusiastic. She is showing decorum and class.

[AlCzervik]

9. agreed.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

10. Seconded.

[LynneSin]

21. Exactly - what do you think the media would harp on if she didn't clap

They'd be on it 24x7 if she refused to clap using it as a distraction from Iraq. Dems are doing the correct thinhg by clapping and being polite.

[Pithlet]

47. I agree. n/t

[bdamomma]

56. when bush was talking she wasn't even looking at him.

I am pretty sure she was not amused by bush.

[WilliamPitt]

6. She has class.

[HughMoran]

16. I agree

This is a decorum issue - no need to create any more tension than necessary. It's a catch more bees with honey thing...

[Elwood P Dowd]

7. She only claps for Bush's good lies

The really bad ones are ignored

[QMPMom]

11. I wondered the same thing, but, she is a woman of class, so I

assume she is just being polite.

[WA98296]

12. At times, it's been inappropriate IMO. Is she paying attention?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

13. Efforts to appear as bipartisan as possible...

It's tough to do, since the ultra right is squatting in the White House.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Protocol.

[Raine]

15. CLASS

that's why, she was brought up the correct way.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

24. what you said.

exactly.

[schrodingers_cat]

17. I still cannot abide by the pleasantries that I am seeing (n/t)

[darkism]

18. She didn't applaud for THAT line of shit! n/t

[cool user name]

19. Ok, she remained seated while others stood up ...

That makes me feel a little better.

[cool user name]

20. Fuck ... just as soon as I typed that she stood up ...

:wtf:

[LiberalFighter]

54. Did she stand up before Cheney even thought of standing up?

I believe it was when dimwad spoked about child health care.

[cool user name]

58. No, it was right after the "surge" comment ... n/t

[Jeffersons Ghost]

77. and that single action makes a statement... rising late to applaud...

[dflprincess]

22. Right now she looks like she just can't stand anymore

AND she didn't clap when he said we had to succeed in Iraq to prevent oanother 9/11

[cynatnite]

25. tradition and protocol...

nothing different from past administrations.

[cool user name]

28. This is not an administration. This is an abomination. n/t

[cynatnite]

32. Whatever you want to call this...

what she is doing is no different than others that were previously in her position. Gingrich stood and clapped at some of Bill Clinton's as well.

[Zuiderelle]

26. Because his speech-writers made it impossible for her not to.

She can't sit on her hands when he says something about supporting the troops, after all. Imagine the headlines tomorrow. "Pelosi doesn't support the troops!" She's doing just fine.

[bobbolink]

27. Oh, yes, "politeness" has done so well for us.

:sarcasm:

"Class" will be very comforting, when more of the Idiot Son's policies go marching.....

[ronnykmarshall]

39. Oh thank you!!!

Thank you for making my parody come to life.

Oh that damn NANCY .... she's gonna sell us all out ain't she???

[mmonk]

29. I see no reason to keep the charade.

Millions of people still don't know anything that's gone on these last few years. It's why I never watch more than 5 minutes of any speech of his. I get physically sick knowing the things we know.

[ChiciB1]

30. It's Called Polite Etiquette... Something That Has Been Missing For

the reign of THIS KING GEORGE!

[cool user name]

33. It's no time to be polite. Our country and the world is at stake.

She can be polite but I don't like it one bit.

[cynatnite]

34. It's a freaking SOTU speech...

they're not making laws or anything like that. This is nothing but show and has a life-span of about 20 minutes after it's over. People will forget all about it by tomorrow.

[cool user name]

35. People all over the world are watching this.

What would you think if you were in say, Iran and watch both parties fellate this asshole?

[cynatnite]

36. Do you think people in Iran really care that Pelosi clapped?

They're not looking at Pelosi. They're looking at bush and they hate him.

[cool user name]

38. They're looking for any sign of opposition.

And I'm sure they didn't see it. I know I didn't.

[cigsandcoffee]

105. The people of Iran?

What do they have to do with anything?

[bdamomma]

62. not to be rude, with my comment , but we can all be rude on

January 27th if you cannot go to DC, do something in your own state, or send a donation to United for Peace and Justice.

[cool user name]

66. I plan on being in DC provided I have the money ...

And believe me, I'll be vocal.

[ChiciB1]

106. Unfortunately I Missed the Boat For D.C. BUT I WILL Be Demonstrating

here locally! Trying to get others gathered up today! Generally, my area isn't all that big on marches, but FINALLY some eyes are getting opened!!

I too LOATHE these people who DICTATE to us right now and have NEVER seen anything like it in my life, even during Viet Nam! I will do anything to stick my finger in their eye, but I do think Pelosi was just being "nice" for the sake of being NICE!

[Canuckistanian]

31. Politeness.

It's like clapping for a mediocre golf shot... before you make that impossible birdie around the tree.

[ronnykmarshall]

37. Oh my god ...

I was going to do a parody of someone freaking the fuck out .... Thank you !!!! Thank you beating me to it?

[cool user name]

40. You goddamned right, I'm freaking out.

I'll cease freaking out when we have an opposition party.

[ronnykmarshall]

44. You GO!

That, that .... HORRIBLE woman Pelosi!!! She's really a mole for the DLC and the Republicans. I lived in SF .... I seen it.

[cool user name]

46. Are you arguing with a ghost?

Who said anything about her being a "mole for the DLC and the Republicans?"

Oh, you did. :eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Hon ...

If you can't see the bullshit .. then go to the eye doc.

[cool user name]

49. Don't call me hon ...

... and I do see bullshit. It's just emanating from some place else.

[ronnykmarshall]

50. Ok, sweetie.

[cool user name]

53. Keep baiting ...

:shrug:

[Jeffersons Ghost]

79. yep... keep baiting a "ghost" who knows EVERYTHING that Ms Pelosi did for America in 100 hours...

and you'll get one...

I'm looking for the posts a "ghost" did on her last week, right now!

[k_jerome]

55. lol. nt.

[mvd]

41. Protocol I guess, but I know I couldn't do it

That's why I'm not a Representative, I guess.

[Gloria]

42. For the same reason Kucinich beamed and exchanged pleasantries

with Bush as he walked in???

[Divine Discontent]

43. to show decorum!

exactly... and webb is speaking for ME right now! it's all about lowered wages, and costs to the poor class, we don't give a shit about wall street #'s and how big a bonus check some got at Christmas, and how many of us were sick of the thought of THIS war when we INVADED Iraq...



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[theboss]

45. I ask this question constantly here: Am I the only one who has followed politics...

prior to 2000?

Newt Gingrich stood and applauded Clinton while he was impeaching him.
Tip O'Neil stood and applauded Reagan for something like 47 consecutive years.

And I was 1 when Nixon resigned so leave me alone on that one.

[cynatnite]

52. I didn't follow all that much prior to 2001...

but even I know that past speakers and opposing parties stood and clapped at SOTU's.

[k_jerome]

51. yeah!! who's she blowing? nt.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

57. She's being polite.

And the Dems are sitting on their hands except for the stuff that everybody has to applaud, like "Supporting the troops".

[Rex]

59. Tradition.

I thought it was too much clapping, but have been chastised already for the 'bad think'. :eyes:

[NNadir]

60. Oh please...

Maybe she should have fired spitballs at the back of his head?

[Rex]

61. Not appropriate, but a very funny mental image...

Thanks! :)

[Wizard777]

63. She lead a standing ovation and it turned into sweating to the oldies

Up down up down up down. I got tired and lost 5 lb.s just watching it.

[Richardo]

64. How long have you lived in this country?

What would you prefer, gunplay?

[cool user name]

65. How long have I lived in this country?

What kind of question is that?

What if I was from Cameroon? Or Norway? Or China? Perhaps, South Africa?

Maybe I was born here in the United States, perhaps? Does one have to be from a specific country to ask a question as I did in the opening post?

Meh ... :eyes:

How's about telling me how long you've lived in this country since that seems to be a matter of import to you?

[Richardo]

67. I'm a native and a student of American government

Therefore I know the answer to your question, as do most reasonable citizens.

[cool user name]

68. Apparantly, you don't.

There are others that asked the same question.

Your comment regarding "reasonable citizens" is an attempt to stifle debate. You know, dissent is unpatriotic and all that.

How very Stalinesque of you. :eyes:

[Richardo]

70. Why do YOU think she was clapping?

She's a GOP plant? A Rovian Candidate? A shameless sell-out?

Or a highly visible, powerful and American member of the government of the United (note: 'United') States?

[cool user name]

74. Pardon me while I dismiss your straw men. n/t

[Richardo]

76. Yes, but will you answer the question?

[cool user name]

81. See post # 78

Will you answer mine now?

What does it matter which country I'm from?

Since I'm from here, am I being unreasonable or reasonable according to the faulty logic provided by you?

[cool user name]

69. Oh, and you imply that only a native can be reasonable.

How "classy" of you as well.

I'm from here too. Does that make me reasonable or unreasonable? Your logic is quite faulty.

:shrug:

[Richardo]

72. Well your question is quite simplistic and ignorant

I thought you might not know about the traditions of our government. High degree of decorum and all that.

[cool user name]

73. Oh, please ...

Get real. You asked how long I lived here (that was ignorant and simplistic).

Surely you can come up with better than that.

Or maybe you can't. :shrug:

[Richardo]

75. I mean your question as to why Pelosi was clapping

Do you really not know?

[cool user name]

78. Look ...

I'm not going to play games with you.

Here's your most recent rejoinder (if you want to call it that):

Well your question is quite simplistic and ignorant
I thought you might not know about the traditions of our government. High degree of decorum and all that.


You also asked how long I've lived here and implied that anyone not a citizen is unreasonable. That was debunked because I'm also from here. You continue to insinuate that my asking a simple question was egregious. It was not. It is my right, as a citizen (since that seems to be your concern), to ask such a question. The question in the lead post was not uncivil. Then you respond with straw men questions implying that my question was meant to out Pelosi as a Rovian agent, a sell out, and other some such nonsense.

My thoughts on the matter, regardless of how you wish to misrepresent them, is that it is time for us not to be so polite. We've been polite for six years. This world is 5 minutes from ceasing to exist as we know it, metaphorically speaking. In other words, there's a time to be nice and then there's a time to get up and fight to defend this great nation of ours and to show the world that we are in opposition to this president and his failed policies.

Webb did an excellent job with that. I'll give credit where credit is due. However, Pelosi and everyone else that applauded almost everything that the Moron said, didn't leave me with much confidence that they mean business.

Did I spell it out enough for you or are you going to continue with your antics?

[cynatnite]

82. Yeah, all that clapping and I already forgot the first 100 hours of congress...

yep, all I care about is that they had the audacity to clap during a SOTU. :sarcasm:

[cool user name]

84. Keep providing straw men and I'll keep calling you out on it.

[cynatnite]

86. Oh, yeah...that's what the minimum wage legislation is

:eyes: keep whining about Pelosi clapping.

[cool user name]

88. A non-sequitur and a straw man in a single post!

Good job!

[HEyHEY]

91. No, a straw man is making a big deal out of someone clapping

[cool user name]

93. Look up the definition of straw man.

Then get back to me.

I asked a simple question.

Then discussants equate that with me calling for her head, calling her a "Rovian agent" a "GOP plant."

That, my friend, is the very definition of a straw man.

[HEyHEY]

95. An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated.

I.E. your contention that Pelosi clapping is a big deal.

[cool user name]

96. Ummmm ... try again.

I asked a question.

"Why is Pelosi clapping?

Seriously, I want to know!"

That's exactly what I said in the lead post.

Now, people have responded with insinuations of me calling her a Rovian agent, a GOP plant, and a sell out.

THAT'S the very definition of a strawman.

A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Who misrepresented who's position? My asking a simple and civil question? Or those that seemed suggesting that I called for her head, called her a Rovian agent, a GOP plant, and a sell out.

Hmmm? Can you answer that?

[HEyHEY]

97. Your question was an implication

[cool user name]

98. Now you're being disingenuous ...

I don't have tolerance for that.

Good night. Have fun. Peace out and whatever.

[HEyHEY]

99. Give it up, you know what you were doing

Please, people get paid a lot of money to lie to me on a daily basis, as if I'm not gonna catch your little CYA job.
Ciao!

[cool user name]

102. I asked a question about why Pelosi was clapping ...

... at almost everything the Moron said. That IS my right to ask such things, no?

Nowhere, nowhere, did I insinuate that Pelosi is a Rovian agent.

You're being disingenuous. You couldn't even spot the obvious straw man. Rovian agent? Come the fuck on. :wtf:

Toodles.

[cynatnite]

80. Some doesn't think dems should have any decorum...

they want spitballs, belches and middle fingers during a SOTU speech.

[cool user name]

83. Some harp on straw men for lack of a more valid argument.

:eyes:

[cynatnite]

85. You're bitching about clapping during a damn SOTU speech!

Do you realize how idiotic that is?

[cool user name]

87. Do you realize that I asked a question?

How idiotic are you being by saying that I'm bitching.

The only bitching, it seems, is emanating from your keyboard.

We can't ask questions now? :wtf:

[cynatnite]

90. You're going on and on and on and on about Pelosi having the nerve to clap...

at a speech. God forbid if the woman who is third in line to the presidency shows any protocol and decorum. :eyes:

I care about the job she's done in the first 100 hours and what she will do in the future. I don't give a rat's ass about her clapping for a stupid speech that will be forgotten in a day.

There are more important things to worry about than her and other dems clapping during a speech.

This conversation is a waste of my time. Enjoy whining about Pelosi's clapping. I have no doubt you'll find others to justify your POV.

Buh-bye

[cool user name]

94. Please forgive me.

I'll no better than to ask a question on an internet message board (which was civil, btw) for fear of being called a "whiner."

How can I ever redeem myself in your eyes?

[HEyHEY]

89. I believe that's what he was trying to establish

[Phillycat]

109. Heh.

Take that sucka out! Grab your gat!

[Freddie Stubbs]

71. Probably because she agrees with what is being said

[Imagevision]

92. I believe Pelosi was merely pacifying for the camera's -- let's get that up or down vote for

Bush's surge plan... which is due what? in a week or so?

[Warren DeMontague]

100. Jeeez-us. She's the speaker of the House.

C'mon.

[begin_within]

101. She was making the sound of one hand clapping

[Norrin Radd]

103. How do you know that she isn't doing that thing

when someone's parent yells at him or her to stop flipping off his or her asshole brother or sister, so he or she gives the brother or sister the bird in his or her mind? ;)

[B Calm]

104. She don't want to appear as a partisan.

[treestar]

107. Because a chimp who can do anything is usually applauded!

It's really clapping for the trainers, though!



:rofl: