A VERY NARROW question about Pelosi and Reid

[Stinky The Clown]

If you have ANY OTHER TOPIC concerning these two, it is UNWELCOME in this thread. The focus here is VERY narrow.

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Okay .....

The question is ...... are both Reid and Pelosi too soft spoken to lead? This is a shallow, narrow question. Do they speak too softly and appear too timid to be seen as - and more importantly, taken seriously as - leaders?

Harry Reid has a history of being one tough-assed son-of-bitch (said as a compliment)(see Reid Vs The Mob in Vegas and withstands assassination threats) and was a skilled and accomplished boxer in his younger days. "Wimp" is the last word I'd think of to describe him.

Nancy Pelsoi grew up at the knee and on the side of machine politicians in Baltimore (her older brother and her dad, Tommy and Tommy Jr D'Allesandro), a town where the hardest, bloodiest fights were between Democrats. With no meaningful Republican party back then, the death match fights were done quietly but bloodily. She KNOWS how the game is played.

And for all the complaints about our 'ineffective' leadership, I get a sense that they really are doing what they can to uphold the principles we all hold dear. But I am also aware that they may well just not have the personna - not the ability, not the desire - but the personna to be a leader in today's media-driven world.

What do you think about this ONE NARROW issue?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. No.

I don't think the reason they're failing to lead is because they're too soft spoken.

[againes654]

3. It's because their spines are to soft.

[OzarkDem]

2. I think its the Peter Principle

They've both been promoted to their level of incompetence.

[Lerkfish]

4. I don't think being soft spoken matters

I don't believe its a persona issue, for example Jimmy Carter was very soft spoken but was an effective leader.

I know you really want to frame this issue differently, but in the narrow narrow focus of your post, I reject your premise wholecloth.

You're just trying to accuse people of bigotry against soft spoken people when they accurately point out a leadership vacuum at present.

sorry, but you are, and you know it, so narrowing the focus is a dodge.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Whaaaaaaaat?

Hahahahahaha

Oh My God

That's preposterous!

And much as I love Jimmy Carter (and I seriously do), he really wasn't a good leader in his presidency.

[BuyingThyme]

7. He's a good leader now.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. He **absolutely** is

Because, as a private citizen with a bully pulpit, he can lead by example. That's his inspiration - he embodies what he believes. He now also leads simply by voicing his opinion on things, but he earned that respect by way of his life (leading by example).

[Lerkfish]

9. another issue we disagree on.

not too surprising, though.
I notice you completely avoid my calling you on your transparent tactic, though.

have a nice day!

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Actually, my entire reply was on the accusation about the tactic. I didn't ignore you

I answered you directly. It was the Carter remark that was oblique.

But you knew that. You just want a fight.

Do me a favor. Put me on ignore. I would be honored were you to do that. Otherwise I might think you a stalker. And you're not, are you?

But I digress. It was my narrow thread and I will let it get back there.

[Bitwit1234]

5. I think, without the votes, they are trying to make the best decisions

they can. Politics, real politics, and headway come from give and take. Maybe they are trying to back the republicans into giving a little on some of the subjects. But I don't think the republicans are going to give, they want to try to win in 2008. I really truly don't think Nancy or Reid will cave in on something important. Look at the S_CHIP bill.

[Rhythm and Blue]

8. No, and no. They're doing well.

They aren't supposed to be rock-stars playing the media; that's what our President will be for. They're for rounding up votes and setting legislative schedules, and they're doing a fine job.

[porphyrian]

10. When it is their turn to speak, people listen, whatever their volume.

The problem isn't how loud they speak but what they are (or aren't) saying.