The Impending War with Iran

[tailwind]

The Secret History of the Impending War with Iran That the White House Doesn't Want You to Know.

'Two former high-ranking policy experts from the Bush Administration say the U.S. has been gearing up for a war with Iran for years, despite claiming otherwise. It'll be Iraq all over again.

Two former high-ranking policy experts from the Bush Adminstration say the U.S. has been gearing up for a war with Iran for years, despite claiming otherwise. It'll be Iraq all over again.'

http://www.esquire.com/print-this/iranbriefing1107

[SergeyDovlatov]

1. For them, it might have some religious meaning

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123961

Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical War of Gog and Magog

by Ezra HaLevi


(IsraelNN.com) US President George W. Bush said a nuclear Iran would mean World War III. Israeli newscasts featured Gog & Magog maps of the likely alignment of nations in that potential conflict.

Channel 2 and Channel 10 TV showed the world map, sketching the basic alignment of the two opposing axes in a coming world war, in a manner evoking associations of the Gog and Magog prophecy for many viewers. The prophecy of Gog and Magog refers to a great world war centered on the Holy Land and Jerusalem and first appears in the book of Yechezkel (Ezekiel).

On one side were Israel, the United States, Britain, France and Germany. On the other were Iran, Russia, China, Syria and North Korea.

...

[leveymg]

2. This is hardly a "secret history" - the WH and Israel want Iran to believe this.

There's nothing here that hasn't been shouted 1,000 times before for four or five years.

But, it still isn't in the U.S. national interest to attack Iran, so it won't happen.

[Diclotican]

6. leveymg

leveymg

It wasent exactly in US interset, both national and international to go ahead with the war in Iraw too.. But even then 5 year later you are stuck in the quagmare that Iraq have become, with NO sight to the end...

USA, under mr Bush are willing to dice it once more, to get into a war with Iran, the case is that mr Bush WANT the war, even if it mean that US are using the nuke.. If mr Bush demand the use of the nuke and nobody stop him from use it.. You wil never se the end of what is posibile to happend in the rest of the world, to demostrate against the war...

If you think the millions of peopole who demostrate agains the Iraqi war, in many parts of the war was "scary" for a sor american, The demostration after a "sucksessfull nuclear use" in Iran is peanuts.. Many who dosent care about the Islamic Republic, wil bee outraged about the use of nuclear bombs.. Many who dosent like the Islamic Republic wil turn thyr back on the United States of America..

In fact, I belive that, if US are going to war in Iran, they wil discover that they are totaly isolated.. I have the feeling that use of the nuclear bomb, wil destroy what is left of the standing of america in the eys the rest of the world still have in your country.. And whats happening after that, i really fear, and don't want to think to hard about.. I really fear the future...

Yes I fear about the future, becouse what is happening in the States now, and the trumbs of war over the whole war is really worring the brown out of me, Is this the US i once was in. Is this the US I once admired as some specially. Is this the US I allmoust emigrated to in my youth?..

This is a country who are more and more similary to the old Soviet, or the nazi-Germany.. This is a country who dosent resemble anything I was beliving in when I grew up.. This a country who are so far from the democratic country US once was, that I was going back from the 1980s, and today, I wil not reconice your contry at all.. But I wil reconice many of the same concept what was destroying both the soviets and the Weimar republic in Germany.. Fear, and war-mongery, and the will to use wiolence agains imigary friends.. The US of today is a country I really, deeply fear, more than I fear the Taliban, or many of other Islamic extremists.. The US have both the wil, and the means to kill millions of peopole in a single blast. And if US are using this type of weapon, today.. I fear that millions more wil be verry dead before the war is over.. And lot of our planet wil be unhabitable for houndres of year to come...

I fear US today.. I really fear US..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[leveymg]

7. Here's the major difference: they thought the Iraq invasion was going to be quick and easy, like

the 1991 Gulf War. The Washington establishment learned a valuable lesson, and no one seriously believes that a war with Iran would be anything but long and costly. Many of the policymakers most central to the WMD deception that justified the 2003 invasion have been fired. Scooter Libby, a proxy for Cheney, was convicted.

After going through all that trouble to do necessary housecleaning, the Pentagon Generals and CIA aren't going to allow Bush and the remaining neocons to carry through on something as utterly insane as getting into a 50 year war with all the Shi'a Muslims in the world.

What we're seeing is a propaganda campaign intended to keep Iran off-balance as the US withdraws from Iraq. There is the hope, still held by some, that Iran will overreact to provocations, handing Washington the cause for war. They hope the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which is semi-autonomous, will do something stupid, like take US hostages or shoot first at American ships. I think everyone is well aware of that strategy, and I pray it doesn't happen.

But, no, the US will not preemptively bomb Iran. The Persians are quite capable of inflicting very heavy damage on US, Israel, and the Gulf States. The resulting regional war would escalate into a slow, painful suicide for the US. We would cease to be a global superpower. Everyone knows it. So, I don't believe it will happen.

[ClayZ]

9. We are afraid in the US, too!

We protest, write letters to our Senators, cry, scream, etc. Nothing we do has made this nightmare end. bu$h has nearly ruined our country!

We beg for Impeachment!

We pray for Peace!

My family has marched in many protests.

I guess it will take a National Strike!

Maybe other countries should santion us!

If the world wants PEACE, we all have to act like it!

NO MORE WAR!

[Diclotican]

11. ClayZ

ClayZ

Yes you protest, write letters, cry scream, but it look like it is noting doing some good. Not as we sey is on the outside.. But it is maybee the only thing you can do. Try all you can to get your politicans to understand what this horrible president have been doing...

And it is a nightmare, a horrible, terrible nightmare we all have livet true the last 5-6 year, and I do hope, that some down the road, we all can sit togheter, and se back on this last year and say.. Good to know that this president are out, and all the damage he have been doing is repaired.. BUT It wil take a long, long, long time before this president is forgotten, or forgiven for this arrogance, and his looting of US money.. He and more to the point, the peopole behind the throne should have been rounded up, and prosecuted by a national court, I doubt that even a Court by the Senat and Congress have the "dearing" to get into action. Its verry tragical to se, from the outside how cowarded the whole country have been, specially in main power since 2001.. This is not America as we have known it before.. The country who allmoust draged Clinton thru impeacment and removal from Office. Dont dear to get this exuse for a man, out of his illigal office, becouse they "can" be branded as "un-patriotic".. Where in the H*** Have the american spirit gone?. Where in the world have the famous american wil to get bad leaders trown out, and into prission where they deserve to be.. Or resign in office if they are not trown in Prission.. WHere are You???.. Have you all going into hiding, afraid to speak out the truth?...

I dont know what US have to do, to stop this horrible thing what is happening. A general STRIKE where houndres of thousands of american of all collor, and of all group of the country strike is maybee one way to wake up public.. But I doubt that even that wil give mr Bush and his gang the "right" wink.. If mr Bush are not going out, then houndres of thousands more are going into strike.. I doubt that the Army, the generals are dearing to let Bush let US going to a totaly standstill.. They maybee not be the first to stand up, and tell Mr Bush and Mr Chenney that it is time to get out off office.. But I belive that it is enough decent generals to get the uniformed into action - if that it was must been happening to get this madness to stop...

The arrogance of this Administration is horrible. they are destorying the whole fabric of what US have been in the last 231 year and dosent WANT to respect your own laws.. If they can, they sircomcent, or just dont care about the whole thing, If half the storyes about this administration is true.. Good know what they are managable to do, when "treathen" in some way..

Maybee a sanction wil do the trick, I doubt, US are a big country, with lot of power, both economic and political.. And if they can't bribe us they can allways treathen to close down some "military camp" as they was doing before the Iraqi war in Germany.. And they follow tru too, one of the bases is relocadet to "more friendly places" in Poland. My guess that even the polish are to learn that to get out of the sight of one big power (russia) and then get into the sight of another big power (the US) Was not that smart when it come to it..

The world want US to LEAD, not to bully.. US today is like my "enemy" in grade school.. We figh our way from 1 grade to 5 grade when I was going totaly nuts, and allmoust manage to kill the ass.. He was one grade over me, and the last 2 weeks in 5 grade I was going in peace.. I dount dear do to it before then.. But I was not been picket on the next year then.. I do not hope that the world have to do something like I was doing to get peace.. I hope that the next president, want and are catable to made peace, and rebould some of the damage US have been doing for many year now.. The most of the world Want US but not this type of US, who are bully and who have no respect for the rest of the world..

Or it is that if US dosent want to respect the rest of the world, the rest of the world have to stand together and prove that US have to respect the rest of the world?.. We dont need to get into the military, we can just dont sell our goods to US, and not given US the goods they need to use your industry.. If the rest of the world want, they can wage war with US without one single shoot been fired.. Even if your petrol reserves are been controled strict, and just the most important goverment system given the petrol, The US canot existence more than 18 monts, 6 month with "normal consumsion" and then rations for all.. This is something I doubt you want to experimence in the States..

Peace is important here.. And this administration have destroyet the whole concept, acsept for International LAW, and the "Moral standing" that US once had.. When mr Bush speaking about human rights, democracy the whole concept of him speaking this words just seen disgusting and totaly out of order.. I doubt he even know what this word really mean. But are just given the paper and to read it (in BIG LETTER AND PRONOUNCING AT DIFICULT WORDS) And even then he manage to GAFFER big time sometimes.. Good know that the REST of the world wil sleepe little better when this man is out of office, and replaced, hopfully with a mutch more smart President. What you really need are a excelent COMUNICATOR who really can reach out to your allied and to the rest of the world.. Bad mr Clinton, for all is faults cant be reelected.... Even his "cases" with his sigars are to prefer, to a president who are "drye drunk" and probely insane..

What US Need more than enything is a new "1960s" where the american public was going against a terrible war in Vietnam... To now mr Bush and Chenny have manage not to disturb enough pepole to stand up. He hasent reinstated the draft.. Yet, But if he cant find troops anywhere and the quates that the army needed is not been met, even mr Bush (Chenney, Bush is just a figurhead anyway) they may reinstate the draft, to get enough soldiers to Iraq, and posible even to a attack on Iran.. And then even the most hardcore republican can't give mr Bush the uper finger anymore, but have to stand up.. So US can stand down to parafrase a often used word from mr Bush own mouth..

I fear US today. But I also have some hope that US are capable to get this madman to stop, and trow him into a room where he can live out his natural lfie.. Or do what they are doing with mentaly ill peopole in US today... I do belive in US, but I fear that mr Bush, and his Administration have destroyd a lot of what US are about, and it wil take decades to repair what is destroyd now.. It is not just lost soldiers, and money. It is the REPUTATION of a whole country that is the stakes here..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[Swamp Rat]

12. We are trying Diclotican

Very soon it will be too late to stop Bushler. :(

[Diclotican]

13. Swamp Rat

Swamp Rat

I know. WE all have to pray for the best, hope for the best, and maybee fight for the best if that is nessecary

But, it is good to see that not everyone american are into this "shit" that mr Bush are into. Rather the opposite in fact.. And it is good to know, that today we are more concected than we have been for a long time.. Its not like in the old days, when you can just stop the letter, and then get peopole quiet.. Now peopole have the power to use the Internet to fight this evil.. The evil Wil Not prevail, if just enough pepole are going out and tell it to the power..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language

[ClayZ]

14. Diclortican

It sure does "look like it is noting doing some good"! I do know that many people have been waking up to the horror of what has happened.

I keep having hope that some day I will open up Newspaper and see "BUSH IMPEACHMENT BEGINS" in giant letters. A picture of Dick Cheney in handcuffs would be nice, too!

What a different world it would be if Al Gore was our president, as he should be.


You are right, the world has become much smaller with the internet and we are all connected. There are many more good people than bad in the world, I think.

I marched in protests in the 60s. I never thought we would be need to do it again. Many huge protests are happening here, the press just does not cover them.

The truck drivers will strike on Nov 6. I hope the whole country joins in.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Fascinating article--thanks for posting. Amazing how close we

came to possibly finding a peaceful arrangement with Iran, and ChimpCo decided to blow them off. Arrogant bastards. What a waste of all that diplomatic effort.

[gateley]

4. K&R nt

[Strelnikov_]

5. If only it would be like Iraq. A bombing attack on Iran

could well lead to the end of http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1910376#1912170">everything.

[NMDemDist2]

8. i waw afraid this article would scare the chit out of me

and I was correct :scared:

these neocon bastards :banghead:

[lovuian]

10. A bunch of us has seen this coming

The NWO is in full swing

[necso]

15. r/k

[halobeam]

16. k and r

[IDemo]

17. k & r

[pingzing58]

18. The Palestinian Israeli stiutation needs to be resolved before war with Iran that's the hurry.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. Please support the Webb Amendment

Four of our current Presidential Candidates are in a direct position to influence whether the Webb Amendment - which would forbid a U.S. attack on Iran without prior Congressional approval, comes up for a vote. Here is a DU thread with specifics including how we can lobby for it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3620916&mesg_id=3620916

[LSK]

20. there is no way for a war for years without a draft

And once a draft is in place, you will see the anti-war movement grow by leaps and bounds and the war would end quickly.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. That assumes that U.S. military actions against Iran...

...do not push anti-American sentiments over the brink among a broader group of Muslims, with Iranian support, to the point where terrorists attacks against Americans both at home and abroad soar as a result. I would not make that assumption. The U.S. attacking Iran, and their subsequent desire to retaliate directly against the U.S., could be the tipping point. If there are repeated actual (unlike fake color code alerts) terror strikes against Americans here in the United States, most Americans will feel a direct need to support a war time footing - quite unlike the situation now.

[doublethink]

22. Bingo ....... for the umpteenth time a quote from the past ......

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering

note: When Iran is forced to defend itself ........ it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when Americans ARE being attacked. When it comes to that point, all the propaganda leading us into this war becomes mute. What follows is a reality that didn't have to happen.

Peace.

[ClayZ]

23. Blackwater....they like war.

K and R

[seemslikeadream]

24. k & r