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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:20 PM
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The Power of Birth Order
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1672715,00.html

The importance of birth order has been known—or at least suspected—for years. But increasingly, there's hard evidence of its impact. In June, for example, a group of Norwegian researchers released a study showing that firstborns are generally smarter than any siblings who come along later, enjoying on average a three-point IQ advantage over the next eldest—probably a result of the intellectual boost that comes from mentoring younger siblings and helping them in day-to-day tasks. The second child, in turn, is a point ahead of the third. While three points might not seem like much, the effect can be enormous. Just 2.3 IQ points can correlate to a 15-point difference in sat scores, which makes an even bigger difference when you're an Ivy League applicant with a 690 verbal score going head to head against someone with a 705. "In many families," says psychologist Frank Sulloway, a visiting scholar at the University of California, Berkeley, and the man who has for decades been seen as the U.S.'s leading authority on birth order, "the firstborn is going to get into Harvard and the second-born isn't."

The differences don't stop there. Studies in the Philippines show that later-born siblings tend to be shorter and weigh less than earlier-borns. (Think the slight advantage the 6-ft. 5-in. <196 cm> Peyton Manning has over the 6-ft. 4-in. <193 cm> Eli doesn't help when he's trying to throw over the outstretched arms of a leaping lineman?) Younger siblings are less likely to be vaccinated than older ones, with last-borns getting immunized sometimes at only half the rate of firstborns. Eldest siblings are also disproportionately represented in high-paying professions. Younger siblings, by contrast, are looser cannons, less educated and less strapping, perhaps, but statistically likelier to live the exhilarating life of an artist or a comedian, an adventurer, entrepreneur, GI or firefighter. And middle children? Well, they can be a puzzle—even to researchers.

For families, none of this comes as a surprise. There are few extended clans that can't point to the firstborn, with the heir-apparent bearing, who makes the best grades, keeps the other kids in line and, when Mom and Dad grow old, winds up as caretaker and executor too. There are few that can't point to the lost-in-the-thickets middle-born or the wild-child last-born.

Indeed, to hear families tell it, the birth-order effect may only be getting stronger. In the past, girls were usually knocked out of the running for the job and college perks their place in the family should have accorded them. In most other ways, however, there was little to distinguish a first-, second- or third-born sister from a first-, second- or third-born brother. Now, with college and careers more equally available, the remaining differences have largely melted away.

"There are stereotypes out there about birth order, and very often those stereotypes are spot-on," says Delroy Paulhus, a professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. "I think this is one of those cases in which people just figured things out on their own."

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:22 PM
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1. Then how come I have an IQ 12 points higher than my older brother?
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:28 PM
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5. Individuals vary WAY more than huge groups do. For some reason
studies rarely mention this. The differences are SO tiny that they only show up in statistically significant groups.

You can say that men are more mathematically minded than women, for example, but it means nothing for a particular man and a particular woman.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:01 PM
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14. You can rest assured any time a study or trend is noted those who don't fit will
declare that in their case it's not so because they are an exception.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:23 PM
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2. I am the oldest of four brothers....
I just don't even know where to begin.... :rofl:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:27 PM
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4. As the youngest of three, they sure missed our clan completely
I am about 6 inches taller than brother 1 and 4 inches over #2
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:26 PM
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3. Sad tyranny of standardized tests.
Edited on Fri Oct-19-07 06:26 PM by Mass
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:28 PM
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6. Any real advantage is probably due to a an obedience factor...but I suspect bad science.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:30 PM
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7. Three IQ points?
My IQ varies nearly ten points test to test.

Pop science at its best.


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Samurai_Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:31 PM
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8. What a bunch of crap
There were five of us. I'm the oldest of four girls and one boy. I also am the shortest. My brother, the youngest, is the tallest. The second girl and the fourth girl both have higher IQs than me.

I think the way parents treat the oldest, middle and youngest, based on these stupid stereotypes, have more to do with how children succeed in life.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:32 PM
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9. I feel a bit skeptical about this
It doesn't hold up in the families I know. And 67% of statistics are pulled out of thin air.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:34 PM
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10. their studies didnt work in the family i grew up in, doesnt work in the
family i made. two out of two doesnt fit their description, otherwise,.... rollin eyes, lol.... "spot-on"
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:50 PM
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11. I'm the youngest of three
However, there is considerable age difference among us. My sister is oldest and is four years older than our brother, the middle child. They grew up together. I came along 10 years after my brother did. It could be said that I was raised as if I were an only child. Plus our parents had more money and more resources all the way around when I came along. So, I challenge the notion that my sister and brother are somehow automatically smarter than I am.

I do agree however:

1) I am the bigger risk taker in employment, at least, opting for riskier job arrangements such as contracting. She worked at the phone company her whole career. My bro has been a community college teacher for more than 20 years.

2) I am more socially liberal and attend protests and am politically active. They are more conservative and conventional, my brother damn near a freeper. My sister is more practical, but she is very putt of by anything she labels political or controversial.

3) Agreeableness. I am this to a degree. Most things I don't think are worth arguing about. And I can be funny. But I think my brother more fits the "family comedian" stereotype.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:53 PM
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12. I'm the oldest of four...
And my siblings have told me for years that I was greedy in the womb.

There are always exceptions to every "rule"... I'm betting you will hear a lot about that on this thread... nature of the DU beast;)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 06:58 PM
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13. I think history must bear you out. There was that absolute
Idiot, Benjamin Franklin, who numbered seventeenth in his clan of siblings.

Actually my hat is off to his mother, who spent at least 153 months of her life PREGNANT. And then overswamped with all those kids.
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