AL GORE TRUMPING DFA PULSE POLL! (as a WRITE IN)

[berni_mccoy]

http://democracyforamerica.com/

Out of currently 45 THOUSAND + Votes:

Candidate                 Votes               %	
Al Gore                   12001              26.48%	
John Edwards              10851              23.94%	
Barack Obama               8165              18.01%	
Dennis Kucinich            6732              14.85%	
Hillary Clinton            3016               6.65%	
Bill Richardson            1804               3.98%	
Other                      1191               2.63%	
Joe Biden                   636               1.4%	
Mike Gravel                 536               1.18%	
Christopher Dodd            396               0.87%

[FourScore]

1. Excellent! k&r n/t

[AmBlue]

112. Great.... but let's don't forget

...to keep our eye on the Big Ball here. I'd love Al to be the nom just as much as the next person, but it's disconcerting to see so many obsessing about this when we've got SO MUCH work to do.

[fenriswolf]

2. hehe nice to see kucinich up their

i gotta be honest, kucinich was my number 1, put gore as number 2

[lonestarnot]

43. Yeah DU gave him a bump.

:P

[lame54]

67. are you sure it wasn't

the colbert bump?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Nnph3zkHNw

[ooglymoogly]

104. I put Gore first and Kucinich 2 but imagine where Kucinich

would have rated without Gore, as in if he does not run. This bodes well for Kucinich

[KeepItReal]

3. Dayum! That's hot.

:-)

[orleans]

4. thanks for posting. i did a "write in" for top place too. GORE!

here is a link to the page
http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll

[Blue Belle]

5. Yay Al Gore!

Thanks for posting - I was wondering who was leading in that poll.

[countingbluecars]

6. Great! n/t

[JackORoses]

7. wow, Hillary has tons of support, seems pretty inevitable...

oh, what's that she's running in 5th?

Don't believe your lying eyes, listen to the MSM
She's our Queen-to-be

[undeterred]

55. ...

:rofl:

[evlbstrd]

8. Wow!

Run, Al, run!

[Kazak]

9. That's amazing!

Write-in AND undeclared!!!

[kster]

10. Al Gore this is what you want THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET this time.

This time we know and understand whats going on.

RUN AL RUN!!!

Al Gore...

"First, we should complete hand counts already begun in Palm Beach County, Dade County and Broward County to determine the true intentions of the voters based on an objective evaluation of their ballots. Observers and participants from both parties should be present in every counting room, as required under Florida law. The results of this recount would, of course, be added to the present certified vote total and the overseas absentee vote total. If this happens, I will abide by the result, I will take no legal action to challenge the result, and I will not support any legal action to challenge the result. I am also prepared, if Governor Bush prefers, to include in this recount all the counties in the entire state of Florida. I would also be willing to abide by that result and agree not to take any legal action to challenge that result. If there are no further interruptions to the process, we believe the count can be completed with seven days of the time it starts"

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/july-dec00/gore_11-15.html

[TheDoorbellRang]

11. And he's still pulling ahead. 326 more votes for him in just one hour

Al Gore 12327 26.9%
John Edwards 10912 23.81%
Barack Obama 8218 17.93%
Dennis Kucinich 6770 14.77%
Hillary Clinton 3026 6.6%
Bill Richardson 1805 3.94%
Other 1198 2.61%
Joe Biden 638 1.39%
Mike Gravel 539 1.18%
Christopher Dodd 399 0.87%


:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[EFerrari]

12. Now, THAT looks like reality. n/t

[sjdnb]

13. Big freakin deal

according to all of the DUers who attacked me on Wednesday night, Al Gore has done all he needs to do and, further, any suggestion that he should run for President, is just distracting from his 'true calling' as private citizen Gore speaking out against Global Warming.

And, while I tried to explain that I thought he could do much more, for Global Warming and a whole lot of other things that need attending to (to save us from WWII comes to mind), as President of the USA vs Citizen Gore, I was called virtually every name in the book.

At this point, even were Gore to run, I don't know if I could work with (as I have every state/national election since 1972) those same Gore apologists who attacked me so readily for suggesting it might be in the country's/world's best interest for him to run. They reminded me of the arrogant, self-righteous, Northeast Dukakis bunch, sent out here, who screwed up Dukakis' chances royally.

[berni_mccoy]

15. Sorry to hear that... I've been attacked here many times

it isn't fun... but don't give up. Welcome to DU!

[rosesaylavee]

99. Let's look at that thread, shall we?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3620389

I think my objection to the OP was that Mr. Gore owed us anything and was taking the 'easy way' out. I think there is a word for that... oh, yeah. Flame Bait.

[Milo_Bloom]

19. Keep in mind there are a lot of paid shills running about...

Who have a FINANCIAL VESTED interest in keeping Gore out of the race and attacking ANYONE who dares to suggest that their candidate is no what they appear to be, be it a progressive, inevitable or the second coming of RFK.

There are also people who are emotionally invested in a candidate and, as such, react in the same way, as they know a Gore entry will all but the end the entire process, as he would be the immediate front runner. Those people may honestly believe that their person is the best person for the job (although I can't imagine how).

[hootinholler]

39. And notice where the shill-ery candidate is.

Nice to see that.

-Hoot

[CoffeeCat]

71. I agree that the power elitists...

who have now infested both the Dem and Rep parties---detest a Gore run.

He has been out of the loop for a while. He's not owned by anyone. 90
percent of the Dem and Rep candiates are owned by many. Their power
and status is now dependent on being owned. As the corporations have
tightened their choke hold around the politicians, Gore has been out of
DC--escaping the suffocation.

Those who are in power now understand that Gore would likely break up
this game that has been making politicians and corporations rich, powerful
and greedy beyond their wildest dreams.

Gore is a powerful threat. He threatens the status quo and he'd be breaking
up corruption that certainly "We The People" do not want. Political powerbrokers
only keep the game going if it's under the table. Gore would certainly bring
this madness out into the open, as he obliterates it.

These people manipulate election results, and they use extortion, threats
and bribes to silence their enemies--and keep their own crimes undercover.

I think people do need to keep in mind that there are troublemakers afoot
and those who are paid (yes paid) to prop up certain candidates and throw
cold water on a Gore nomination.

[Labors of Hercules]

34. Ignore the small weasels who dig into our best DraftGore threads...

They are bags of hot gas waiting for a match. :rofl:

WELCOME TO THE GOREVOLUTION!!!

[JackORoses]

46. don't pay attention to those dumb fucks, most of them are Hill-heads who fear Gore

if you pay attention you'll notice that they are a relatively small, though vocal minority

Most here at DU support Gore, as you can see by any poll that includes him.

Don't judge the masses based on the actions of a few crazed Hillarites.

[loudsue]

60. Plus, it shows that John Edwards is our second choice. As it stands now,

if Gore doesn't run, I'll be working my ass off for Edwards.

[JMDEM]

88. Likewise. He's really earned my respect in the last month

This is why I wish Gore would make an absolute statement about running. Then either we could support Gore, or we could support someone else.

[AmBlue]

114. No.... Why wait???

Support Edwards-- who's running a strong second-- right now for lots of good reasons, doesn't hurt Al Gore a bit.

Maybe it'll just be a Gore/Edwards ticket if he jumps in!! And wouldn't that be nice....

[AmBlue]

113. Yes sireee....

Pray for Gore.... but work your A$$ OFF for Edwards right NOW.

[JMDEM]

87. Hill-Heads. Like that one. nt

[mopinko]

63. don't take it too hard

one of them, in particular, is, i think, quite off her rocker. there are so many people here who would drop everything to get al elected, it isn't even funny.

[JackRiddler]

118. Who says those people are Gore supporters?

Is it a supporter who peddles the line that one is more "effective" as an ignored saint on the sideline than as President? Sounds more like someone who wants to stop him would say that.

[alfredo]

14. It would be good if this was a true representation of the voting

public. The guys down at the union hall (NALC) have endorse Hillary and would not think that result would represent their membership.

That poll is of Kos readers only. I'd love to have the opportunity to work for Gore and would vote enthusiastically for him.

[berni_mccoy]

16. You're not serious are you? DFA is the largest grass roots organization for Democrats

It was born out of Howard Dean's campaign and has nothing to do with Kos. Hell, I'm not even a Kos reader, yet I and many of my non-Kos friends and family participated in that poll.

Over 46 thousand people have responded.. and you have to enter a valid email address. I think it's going to prove to be a fairly accurate representation of the current Democratic voters.

[alfredo]

18. We are activist, we are hard core Dems. We are not the main stream of

the party. We like the progressive candidates. Hillary is too conservative for the average DFA member, but we will be phone banking and precinct walking for Hillary if she wins the nod.


Check out our Change For Kentucky site below. The Ky chapter has been too busy with helping the Dem ticket win this fall. We will have a Dem governor. Until the polls close Nov 6, we won't even worry about the 2008 election.

The man we supported in the Dem primaries didn't win, but we are working hard for the nominee and some down ticket races. The DFA is very well represented in the Ky Dem party.

[CitizenLeft]

28. I am very happy and relieved to hear that

"We are not the main stream of the party. We like the progressive candidates. Hillary is too conservative for the average DFA member, but we will be phone banking and precinct walking for Hillary if she wins the nod."

I can't tell you how depressing and discouraging it is to actually hear progressives say they'll stay home rather than vote for Clinton. That is defeatist in the extreme, and, unless they live in a very blue state, is just one more vote for a republican. In a Clinton / Giuliani comparison, I can't fathom how anyone can think she'd be worse. Or even comparable. Corporatist or not, Giuliani would be disastrous and we'd never recover.

[alfredo]

103. The stakes are much too high to allow the corporatist to rule.

[FogerRox]

30. We are the democratic wing of the Democratic party, we are DFA.

[RestoreGore]

32. Well, it isn't at this site if you can vote three times

And it isn't fair to Al Gore if people are going there and writing him three times in a row, or even doing it with someone else's name. That means the totals noted are not truly representative of one man one vote. I then don't place much credence in them.

[Labors of Hercules]

35. Even if you put him as all three choices...

It still only records your #1 choice.

It has every protection from multiple voting you can add to an online poll, including entering a valid email to record a vote and not allowing a return to the poll page once you've hit submit. :shrug:

[TheDoorbellRang]

37. Actually, you can go back to the poll page and change your vote

and it will negate your previous vote. So you still only get one vote, but can change your mind/vote right up unitl November 5.

I'm not sure why they're gathering choices #2 and #3, unless they're going to show those alternate choices when all is said and done.

[berni_mccoy]

58. They are gathering choices #2 and #3 for run-off comparisons

That is, you can remove candidates to do smaller groups or even head-to-head on this page: http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll/results

[berni_mccoy]

53. It's best not to respond to him...

You aren't going to change his mind. RestoreGore does not want to restore Gore.

[helderheid]

54. Her mind and yes, you're right - it's pointless. She owns Mr. Gore, apparently.

[Kurovski]

100. I don't know.

Maybe Gore REALLY can do more in the private sector. There are still more awards he can win. Like the Betty Crocker Bake-Off, just to name one.

[RestoreGore]

98. Her mind, and I am not against restoring him for your information...

I am however a supporter of his who believes his words and is in agreement with him that it is now crucial he use his global status as a Nobel Prize winner to be able to freely bring about changes on a global scale which he can through his organizations and influencing governments and businesses worldwide which we will not have a political tipping point without. This isn't just about polls and ads and appeasing your own excitement quotient at his expense. I am not here because I hate another candidate more than I love him as it seems many here are and is the reason for these votes. So to me this already emulates what we woild see in the media and on blogs which is not about issues but grudge matches.

But how superior some of you must feel to pile on others (even those who say they are ignoring you but really don't) who don't fall for the Internet poll games played. If you think he is going to be swayed on such a momentous serious and difficult decision by a poll or a soundbite tv ad that only exacerbates the point he made about what is trivial about this system, then you haven't been paying attention to him. So pardon me if I am now beginning to wonder why some are pushing him so hard here. Is it because you support him, or because you hate someone else more?

I have supported the man for about twenty years now and been a part of every political campaign he ever ran. I now believe that at this particular time what he is doing now is most urgent for the global community and am in agreement with his own words regarding it. However, a decision like that has to be made from HIS HEART for the right reasons, not because a bunch of people e-mailed their lists and contacts to come bump up an Internet poll. I am not against anything he truly wishes to do in his heart and soul. And yes, I am against blatant manipulation of circumstances through using his Nobel Prize and successes while treating his other work as meaningless unless he can be forced to acquiesce to everyone else's wishes. If you don't happen to like me for that well, too damn bad.

[Pastiche423]

17. What a beautiful sight!

[sss1977]

20. other

I wonder how much money "Other" earned this quarter for its campaign? Why isn't the MSM reporting on this like they are Clinton and Obama?

[Pastiche423]

22. Because it wouldn't match the "polls" where MSM is already

anointing their queen?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

23. DING!

You win the donkey on the middle shelf... You can trade up with a little capitulation for the Gorilla/Elephant in the room.

[Labors of Hercules]

36. Seen the new Draftgore website?

It is SAWEEEEEET!

http://www.draftgore.com

[janx]

64. 215,772! n/t

[janx]

52. Because the media believe they can get more

viewers, hence better ratings, hence more money by covering Clinton and Obama.

[KoKo]

79. They will get a big chunk of Hillary's Donations for Ads....and that's what it's all about...

"Business"...as the MOB likes to say....as they knock you off.

[Swamp Rat]

21. NeoGore is "The One!"

I'll just keep repeating this until Al tells me to stop. :D

[berni_mccoy]

24. LOL! Swamp Rat, you RULE! Al would never ask you to stop.

:toast:

[midnight]

89. You have always created some very effective graphics, but this

one is my favorite.....

[Swamp Rat]

90. Thanks!

:hi:

I just finished this one:

[Jackpine Radical]

115. Ya stole my buck

ya durdy rat!


Honest ta God, you do amazing stuff.

[Swamp Rat]

119. LOL! ... thow me somethin' mister!

Yeah, I took your buck an' some others, but dat's becuz you trew it in da air fo' me to catch! :D

Life is a carnival. :party:

[Swamp Rat]

117. oops

[TheDoorbellRang]

25. Gore still tops at 28.81% ! 5.62% higher than next contenda!

Total Votes: 48188 as of Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:29:46 -0400

Candidate Votes %
Al Gore 13883 28.81%
John Edwards 11176 23.19%
Barack Obama 8390 17.41%
Dennis Kucinich 7005 14.54%
Hillary Clinton 3071 6.37%
Bill Richardson 1820 3.78%
Other 1233 2.56%
Joe Biden 647 1.34%
Mike Gravel 551 1.14%
Christopher Dodd 412 0.85%


Al, are you seeing this? You da man.

RUN, AL, RUN!

[Uncle Joe]

26. Thank you for the thread, berni!

Kicked and recommended.

[Toots]

27. I can't believe Dodd polled below even other..

Dodd is one of the only candidates that is actively trying to do something about our situation.

[TheDoorbellRang]

33. I am considering Dodd if Gore doesn't run

Dodd was my second choice.

[kerstin]

91. Dodd was my second choice too.

It's a bit of a mystery why he doesn't poll higher among progressives.

[FogerRox]

29. We are the democratic wing of the Democratic party

So it makes sense that Dennis would out poll HRC, and that Gore & Edwards would lead.

[burythehatchet]

31. proudly so.

[TheDoorbellRang]

38. Hey. Another cool feature of this poll

Go to http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll/results

You can see how your candidate would do if other candidates drop out, or how they're doing state by state

[emmadoggy]

50. You know what's interesting with that...

I started dropping out some of the candidates - Gravel, Dodd, Kucinich, Biden, even Hillary.

As I did so, Al gained some - mostly after dropping Kucinich - but then with each candidate I dropped, John Edwards started pulling ahead and became the clear winner. Obama seemed to get little bump at all.
So it seems that Edwards is at least second on many, many people's lists.

I couldn't get the state-by-state stats to work. :-(

[BattyDem]

108. That's very interesting ...

If you eliminate everyone except Gore and Hillary, these are the results (at 6:45PM ET on 10/20/07)

Former Senator Al Gore 56.99%
Senator Hillary Clinton 43.01%


Remove Gore and Edwards gets the top spot, followed by Obama.

Former Senator John Edwards 33.46%
Senator Barack Obama 24.05%


Remove Hillary and Gore is first, but Edwards is only 3 points behind.

Former Senator Al Gore 29.49%
Former Senator John Edwards 26.17%


Remove Edwards and Gore remains first, but Obama is only 5 points behind.

Former Senator Al Gore 30.15%
Senator Barack Obama 25.14%


And finally ... if you remove Gore, Edwards and Obama ... KUCINICH is first with Hillary about 8 points behind! :wow:

Representative Dennis Kucinich 36.02%
Senator Hillary Clinton 28.39%



I know none of this means anything because the media will never report these numbers or alter their coverage of the candidates, but I think it's interesting that the grassroots choices don't even come close to the "mainstream" polls. It makes you wonder what the polls would look like if the MSM gave EQUAL coverage to ALL the candidates. :-(

[joshcryer]

40. 14k votes. AS A WRITE IN. That's crazy!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

41. REC #36

It's time to cancel "OTHER" and get an actual photo up of the frontrunner on that website.

[jeff30997]

42. Poor Hillary is # 5 with 6.65% ...

Too bad she's gonna be the next prez anyway.:(

[Glimmer of Hope]

44. Very interesting!

[Roland99]

45. Hillary at 6.65% What's *THAT* tell you about the M$M polls????

NOBODY likes her but DLC dandies and GOP lites.

[skipos]

62. Give me a break

Hillary is my last choice but please don't look at online polls for some verification that no one but DLCers and GOPers like her.

She may not get the nomination (hopefully), but she is clearly the frontrunner and plenty of regular people support her.

[Connonym]

68. I don't think it's really all that clear

and if you read Matt Taibbi you'll see that media manipulation is a huge, huge issue

[Roland99]

101. 'clearly the frontrunner'? In whose eyes? The M$M?

Of course in their eyes. Hiilary is the corporatist chickenhawk they love to annoint.

[skipos]

111. Good God

Go look at Zogby polls if you think all of the pollsters (the same ones who predicted the massive Dem sweep in 06) are in on some conspiracy. Zogby is a Democrat, and he isn't MSM. His polls show the same thing as everyone else. Hillary leads nationally, and is the leader in most states. Here is a quote from him

"Hillary Rodham Clinton - She is clearly the frontrunner"

I think (and hope) she may not get the nomination, but it would be ridiculous to claim she has little real support from actual everyday, primary-voting Dems. Just because I don't like her candidacy is no reason to ignore the fact that she is the frontrunner.

[janx]

47. K&R !

kickerooskiroo

[VenusRising]

48. Now that's a primary I want to see!

Please, Al. Run.

We can all go together quickly with you leading the way.

[Fly by night]

116. I like the condensed version of your sig: "Practice Random & Senseless Acts".

It's always dangerous for people to pull behind me at a traffic light. Between that (abbreviated) bumper sticker and my "Bush Thinks You're Stupid" sticker, I have witnessed many morning commuters blow hot coffee out their nostrils in shocked laughter.

[helderheid]

49. FUCK YEAH!!!

[helderheid]

51. Look how pretty:

[Horse with no Name]

56. Just talking to folks out there

This looks more in line with what you hear in real life.
I can't BELIEVE Hillary is a runaway for the nomination. I just can't.
Just goes to show what the corporate media is trying to shove down our throat.

[helderheid]

57. Absolutely spot ON.

[janx]

61. They want a horse race, a brawl.

All of the talking heads look forward to the fights that will ensue over "Hillary." And the sheeple follow...

[Horse with no Name]

72. It almost has a Roman coliseum flavor to it. n/t

[janx]

76. Oh, yeah, it certainly does!

But it's so predictable and boring...

[marlakay]

59. He needs to see this nt

[Connonym]

65. and yet Hillary is consistently the mainstream media's front runner?

I say this with no disrespect to Hillary but I really feel like she's been chosen by the media to be *the* candidate and every poll I see on liberal web sites seems to dispute that

[lame54]

66. here's my plea

to Al:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Nnph3zkHNw

[TheDoorbellRang]

74. My God, I LOVED that video

Those images, that music, were perfect. You should post this over in the Al Gore forum. :applause:

[berni_mccoy]

78. Excellent work!

Very motivating.

[kerstin]

92. I wonder if you'd be able to upload this onto Current TV?

I figure it would up the chances of Gore seeing this himself.

(Loved it, by the way.)

[VenusRising]

94. w00t!!

Awesome job!

[janx]

69. kickster

:kick:

[Dinger]

70. 6.65%?

Heh, heh, heh. That's all I'm sayin.'

[helderheid]

73. 29.85% now!!

[janx]

75. (cough)...You mean, 29.88%...

and going UP! ;-)

[TheDoorbellRang]

80. (cough, cough) ... you mean 29.94%...

and still rising!

[janx]

81. deargodohmygod...

I wanna see it hit THIRTY PERCENT! :party:

[helderheid]

83. Your wish come true!!

[janx]

85. YAY!!!

:party:

[Iwillnevergiveup]

77. Calling lame54, calling lame54

YOU ARE NOT LAME and the video is teriffic. I'm going to forward it to the L.A. County volunteers who are out now as we speak...errr, write....collecting signatures to place Al Gore's name on our California primary ballot. It will really fire them up!

Thank you!

[berni_mccoy]

82. AL GORE JUT BROKE THIRTY PERCENT! O.M.G.!!!

:kick:

[helderheid]

84. YES!!!!!!! Look here:

[DesertRat]

102. Fantastic!

:party: :bounce:

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. WOOHOO! Will they listen?

:bounce:

[Raksha]

93. One more write-in vote for Al Gore!!! n/t

[Mark D.]

95. Gore / Kucinich 2008

Or Gore / Obama. But prefer Kucinich as VP.
ONLY Gore and Kucinich want single payer...
All of the other Democrats want one that'll
keep the insurance for-profit & messed up.

Can I get a second on Gore / Kucinich 2008?

[MedleyMisty]

97. Seconded

I need to look - I'm sure there's already bumperstickers that say that.

[Mark D.]

121. N/T

[Mark D.]

122. IF NOT

Someone should make them. Start a website. Shit, I'm
going to Google now to see if there is one. Of course
I realize Googling that will put me on a terror watch
list along with vegans, conservationists, etc. Ah, so
what. Heh. Seriously. I am shocked so few on DU've
been driving this point. I heard one say Gore & also
Feingold. I respect that, Russ would be great also,
but clearly indicated he wants to stay where he is.
Gore hasn't, he's still not 100% sure. I say if he
wasn't going to run, he'd have sid it for certain.
This means he's still testing the waters and also
is likely truly undecided. But I hope he will run.

Edwards/Obama as VP won't be bad tho. Even if
they're not for single-payer for reasons they fail
to explain EVERY TIME Dennis calls them out on it.
If Gore ran the show, he'd be calling the shots &
he can simply use the resolution Dennis presented
long ago to try and get single-payer care. For the
love of God. It's there, and it addresses that best.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

96. I wrote in Al Gore and Russ Feingold. I selected Edwards for third.

This is so exciting that people are taking the time to write in Gore and not accepting the status quo!!!!!!

[SlowDownFast]

105. Kickingbird.

More Gore!

[BattyDem]

106. Of course, I voted for Gore ...

and I just told my mother about the DFA. I said, "They are asking people who they would vote for if ... " and she interrupted me with, "Gore!" I never even got to the "if the election were held today" part, LOL! :D

So ... she voted for Gore. Kucinich was her second choice. I asked her for a third and she said, "No one else appeals to me" - and that's exactly how she submitted it:

1) (Other) Al Gore
2) Dennis Kucinich
3) (Other) No one else appeals to me.

:rofl:

[lligrd]

107. Gore, Kucinich, Obama

My choices.

[L0oniX]

109. Good to see a REAL poll where Clinton isn't the top runner.

[MsMagnificent]

110. Kucincich should be much higher.

WHY is he ignored so much? He's head and shoulders better than any of these people.
--and that's not a dig on his height. He's plenty tall, as if that was any kind of reason to elect a president anyhow!

[xxqqqzme]

120. That's who I voted for when I got the email.