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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:13 AM
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Cheney Knew-Plame Was GettingToo Close To The Truth Re: Nuke Smuggling
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 11:07 AM by kpete
So why did the Office of the Vice President target Valerie? The standard theory holds that they were angry at her husband Joe Wilson for his exposure of the Niger fraud which kick-started the Iraq war. An alternative theory holds that they wanted to shut down Brewster-Jennings, the CIA front company used by Valerie Plame as she and her team attempted to track black market nukes.

Let's reduce it to a few strokes of the brush: Turkey was a key hub of underground nuclear smuggling. That's why Valerie was there. A.Q. Khan, Pakistan's nuke expert, was a leading figure within this trade. Cheney knew all about Khan.

Last year, the blog Anything They Say published a terrific piece which deserves a revisit:

But the speculation goes further than just Plame's Iranian work, with connections spanning large swaths of the Middle East. Chris Deliso relates that the Turkish paper, Hurriyet, reported that Plame had been in Turkey on several occasions, where she conducted meetings with various dignitaries and with scientists in Turkey. Disenfranchised FBI translator and 9/11 whistleblower, Sibel Edmonds, confirmed that Plame, working under her CIA front company, Brewster Jennings & Associates, was very active in Turkey up through the time of her outing, tracking a multinational network of nuclear technology trafficking that involved not only Turkey but Pakistan, Dubai, Spain, South Africa and others.

In the year 2001, 104 attempts to smuggle nuclear materials into Turkey were recorded by the Turkish Atomic Energy Authority. It was this network, centered in Turkey, that Plame was investigating.

The notion that Iran would be a target of White House aggression has always been "on the table" ever since Bush declared Iran to be part of the "axis of evil" in 2002. The problem here was that not only was the CIA tracking nuclear materials through Turkey under Plame's CIA front, the FBI was investigating this as well, as one of the players, Gizi Technologies, was based in Secaucus, N.J. But this investigation would cause havoc because it was suspected that the US ambassador to Turkey, Marc Grossman, was deeply involved in this nuclear arms network, possibly with a direction of covertly or passively arming Turkey with nuclear weapons while providing diplomatic cover as an incentive to join with the US in support of the nascent efforts against Iran.


more at:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/10/nukes-to-iran.html
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:15 AM
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1. this alone should start impeachment hearings.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:42 PM
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28. Come on Nancy is real busy.
Just because you have treason, the roll up of Brewster Jennings,
Plame's contacts dead or in fear, lies to start a war, more nuclear
waepons "loose," and good Americans with their names smeared
do you really think Ms. Nancy would do her job?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #28
42. Besides, we need a serious nuclear threat...

otherwise we won't be able to proceed with our imperialistic goals of world domination.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 01:22 AM
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66. Nancy has taken impeachment off the table
and to keep it off, she is willing to pick the table up off the floor if need be. Who are we puny mortals who dare to question her ineffible wisdom?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:17 AM
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2. Our Government is Disfunctional......From Top Down....
How much more info is needed before Cheney is removed from office. He's a bigger threat than Bush.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:18 AM
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3. Damn, kpete. That's a bit tinfoily for you, dontcha think?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. wearing the tinfoil
proudly!

Searching for truth means wearing many hats.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:56 AM
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6. LOL! We can't argue with your success, and we'll keep our eye on this story.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:09 AM
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7. you gotta be fuckin kidding me. holy SHIT .
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:38 AM
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14. ah, our coincidence theorist joins the fray. . . n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:20 AM
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4. The information leading to this inevitable conclusion
has been out there for years. I think most of us knew it for years. By "us" I mean DUers, Kos readers, Buzzflashers, and others who stay informed via means other than M$M. It's another one of those parts of the big picture that you finally give up on talking about and assume that the general public is never gonna get it.

Hey, does this mean they're starting to get it?

How big will that 60 Minutes story be?
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:12 AM
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8. Don't forget
Don't forget all us Bartcopper's and Common Dreamer's!

We knew most of this all along, too!


-85% Jimmy
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #8
23. Indeed, indeed. I know the list of sites was by no means exclusive.
We're all the same crowd, with a lot of site-overlap among us.
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freebrew Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #8
60. Hey! don't forget the Chimpsters...
Smirking Chimp was all over this stuff well before most of the blog-sphere.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:14 AM
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10. One would hope the story would be huge....but Scooter is free
and no one out there except all of us folks you mention ever connected the dots so once again the Media Disinfo job will attack CBS, Plame/Wilson...and most Americans will tune it out because in their minds it's all over with.

Frankly....I don't even plan to watch because it's too painful that Cheney gets away with it all. And, no one except "us" seems to give a damn. He should be removed from office immediately. Fifteen more months and there will be nothing left...WWIII and who knows what other treats he has in store for us.

I've even begun to believe his 'heart condition' is a hoax that was perpetuated on Americans...because no one could live as long as he has with a defibrillator...stents in his legs and four full heart attacks. Not saying he doesn't have some kind of heart condition...but it wasn't what it's been made out to be or he would be superhuman. I think we don't know the full extent of how he stays in power and what's been done to keep him there. The extent of the collusion.

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. I feel that Cheney will be cornered soon. Then his mechanical heart will
stop working.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:27 PM
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38. I would **love** to see Cheney get what is coming to him!
In fact, I would pay $1000 on the spot, right this second, for a guarantee of a Cheney perp walk and a thorough prosecution, at the Hague if necessary. Maybe $2000!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:27 PM
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43. The "collusion" likely happened during the secret energy meetings. n/t
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:13 AM
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9. I said from the first day,
That it was Ms. Plame, and Her network, they were after.
It was never that Joe said something,They ignore that all the time.
It was about Ms. Plame uncovering them, shining a light under their rock, if you will.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:42 AM
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17. Hasteret - were they buying his silence?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Sibel fingered Hastert..and the turks..and money laundering..before they shut her up. eom
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:54 PM
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32. My favorite quote from Ms. Edmonds:
SE:...I can tell you that the issue, on one side, boils down to money--a lot of money. And it boils down to people and their connections with this money, and that's the portion that, even with this book, has not been mentioned to this day. Because then it starts touching some people in high places.

JH: Can you explain more about what money you are talking about?

SE: The most significant information that we were receiving did not come from counter-terrorism investigations, and I want to emphasize this. It came from counter-intelligence, and certain criminal investigations, and issues that have to do with money laundering operations.

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.... I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.


http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/do-you-know-this-woman.html
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:57 PM
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35. It's not that complicated, once we put down the mythology about the U.S.
It's difficult to believe that the U.S. could do these things ONLY when we cling to the mythology that we were taught in school - that the U.S. is "special," somehow superior to every other human endeavor in the history of the earth.

Once we recognize that that is not true, that in fact the United States of America is and always has been a power-hungry empire, then we begin to see what is clearly before us.

We can pick up the thread with Prescott Bush, but the thread is actually much longer than that. Prescott Bush is convenient because it's proven that he traded with Hitler when it was treason to do so, and World War II is within the living memory of many people. Prescott's son, "Poppy" Bush earned that nickname with his dealings with Afghanistan and the opium trade, at around the same time that the U.S. deposed the head of Iran (yes, that Iran) and put a corrupt dictator in his place. Fast forward to the Iran "Hostage Crisis" and the way the U.S. media hounded Jimmy Carter from office. Remember the daily countdown on the news - "Today it's been 150 days since Iran took America hostage!" - contrast that with the reports of the dead from Iraq. Oh, there aren't any?

The Iranian "hostage crisis" (all hostages released unharmed eventually) helped put Reagan in office, and then the Iran-Contra shenanigans began. Lots of familiar names in that roster - Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. etc. Couple people went to jail for a year or two - nothing to see here, move along. What about the fact that the U.S. was training terrorists in the jungles of Central America and trading guns for drugs for terrorists for....? And what about training terrorists in the deserts of the middle east and trading guns for drugs for terrorists for....?

Oil pipelines, no-bid contracts worth billions, bricks of U.S. dollars kicked around like footballs in Baghdad, mega-churches organizing votes around "Family Values," opium fields, cocaine, children disappearing in the night in El Salvadore and Nicaragua and Baghdad, little airplanes flying here there and everywhere.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #35
65. Great post.
Nice summary of the BFEE history. I always thought that "Poppy" meant something like "Daddy".
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #32
44. Some knowledgeable researchers claim that...

the worldwide drug market is on par with the worldwide oil market. If this is anywhere close to being the case, then the first paragraph above points to a huge iceberg lying beneath what we know about. Not only does it point to certain corrupt Republicans that we know about, but it could explain much about the Democratic Party behavior as well. It could also explain why certain famiglia are chosen to run the country.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:08 AM
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59. That site sure is depressing nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. and he is leaving his office before his term is up.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
40. I said the same thing
She was outed to stop the anti-proliferation work of Brewster Jennings and its assets. This is dark, dastardly stuff.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:33 AM
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12. BCCI AND AQ Khan
i wish i could source this ..but i am sorry ..it was in my files with no source..if it was someone here.please take credit..i do wish i could credit it to the person i got it from..but this is full of interesting info....IT MAY HELP SOME DO MORE RESEARCH..
fly
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

UNKNOWN SOURCE.........

Um....isn't it interesting that this BCCI figure keeps popping up and keeps finding his way back to being a source for weapons to countries that US neocons want to invade?

Isn't it past time the newsmedia starts talking STRAIGHT about AQ Khan for a change?

Let's refresh for the newsmedia and see if they can figure out WHY these 20 outstanding matters, listed in the Dec 1992 BCCI report as matters that needed further investigation, why they can't be discussed as part of the background to the overall terrorism debate and to our foreign policy decisions?

It's past time the newsmedia do what it SHOULD have done on Sept. 12, 2001 - REVISIT the entire BCCI operation and press for answers.

Start with the Outstanding Matters and questions left on the table in Dec 1992 report:


Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:


1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.


2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.


3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.


4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.


5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.


6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.


7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.


8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.


9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.


10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.


11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.


12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.


13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.


14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.


15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.


16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.


17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.


18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.


19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.


20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Khan
is KEY!!!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. YES HE IS!!!..KAHN AND CHENEY/ DRUGS AND NUKES ! EOM
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 11:41 AM by flyarm
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. I don't have a link to that, but I know that BLM posted it many times with a link
to the Kerry Report on BCCI, that it was part of, that was given to both Bush I and to the incoming Clinton administration.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
25. A gold mine of info on BCCI from this archived thread from nearly 2 years ago:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. How do we make Dems in Congress investigate?
It appears even those inside the CIA who have known about these activities are now alarmed enough that they're going public.

But no one in the House or Senate will do their job and follow up with investigations?

Is there any way to make them? Is there any other means to bringing this to light and stopping it?

IMHO my own party's leaders in DC are just as culpable and just as guilty of treason as the Bush administration for not doing their job.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:41 AM
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16. So how long will it take CBS to steal this story?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. Ohhh they will never go that deep....lol..lol...pitiful to say that , but true..eom
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:55 AM
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20. the Kahn crashcart thing is HUGE but
I've also heard that Brewster Jennings foiled a plot to smuggle WMD's through Turkey to be planted in Iraq so they shut them down.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:05 PM
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24. So goddam many things down the memory hole.
I make no pretense, and certainly no attempt, to keep up with all this stuff, but I sure ope omebody with a very large, very backed-up hard disk is indexing all this stuff.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:03 AM
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58. i remember that
It also involved Judy Miller "commanding" a unit of US ARMY(?) as an embedded reporter. Didn't the death of that British scientist have something to do with it too? He foiled the plot perhaps?

dastardly deeds abound,
coordinated shenanigans...
building Empire.

urghh

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:03 AM
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64. PNAC letter to Newt Gingrich, 29 May 1998
The Honorable Newt Gingrich
Speaker of the House
U.S. House of Representatives
H-232 Capitol Building
Washington, DC 20515-6501

The Honorable Trent Lott
Senate Majority Leader
United States Senate
S-208 Capitol Building
Washington, DC 20510-7010

Dear Mr. Speaker and Senator Lott:

On January 26, we sent a letter to President Clinton expressing our concern that the U.S. policy of "containment" of Saddam Hussein was failing. The result, we argued, would be that the vital interests of the United States and its allies in the Middle East would soon be facing a threat as severe as any we had known since the end of the Cold War. We recommended a substantial change in the direction of U.S. policy: Instead of further, futile efforts to "contain" Saddam, we argued that the only way to protect the United States and its allies from the threat of weapons of mass destruction was to put in place policies that would lead to the removal of Saddam and his regime from power. The administration has not only rejected this advice but, as we warned, has begun to abandon its own policy of containment.

--more--
PNAC

It appears they were trying to get WMDs into Iraq so they would have something "to find." They were already planning war with Saddam, even before the Bush Bozos on the Supreme Court gave the 2000 election to Baby Bush.

It's all beginning to make sense now...
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:27 PM
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22. Why am I not surprised?
Keep beating that war drum Bush - keep pushing . . .

Isn't it funny - in a round about kind of way Bush WANTED(S) Iran to have Nuclear Weapons. Doesn't he realize that with the exception of his party die hard faithfuls - no will believe him on the WMD thing again.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:14 PM
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27. KBR
NOT Kellogg/Brown/Root - Kicked, Bookmarked, and Recommended.

This is WELL worth keeping, and keeping track of. It doesn't surprise me since I had suspicions about this for a long time now. It wound up being a really good two-fer for bush/cheney. Outing Valerie Plame and destroying her network (because of what and whom it was getting close to discovering), AND smacking Joe Wilson hard for speaking out - so that others like him would be frightened away from blowing the whistle as he did.

The important thing to remember here, when we look at ANY of these things, is: WHO BENEFITS? WHO BENEFITED because Plame and her organization were shut down? WHO BENEFITED? We knew that answer years ago. It's just the specifics of "why" that are still being unearthed.

WHO BENEFITED from destroying Plame's operation?

WHO BENEFITED from 9/11?

WHO BENEFITED from Iraq?

WHO WANTS TO BENEFIT from Iran?

These people are all about making money by obliterating (or at least seriously hobbling) all competition, whether it's businesses or organizations outside the "sweetheart crony circle" or press people fired or intimidated for exposing the truth or Americans spied on and illegally wiretapped without their knowledge or Democrats trying to get to the bottom of it.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:55 PM
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29. K&R.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:57 PM
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30. Here's a complication
James Risen reported (in his book, it has AFAIK yet to reach a newspaper these many months later) that the CIA rather moronically gave Iran plans to build nukes, plans that were altered to not work. They didn't count on Iranian nuclear scientists being, you know, scientists. The plans apparently advanced, rather than impeding, Iran's nuclear weapons program. Now Plame in her recent TV interview suggests that this was a good idea and implies that she was in on it.

Now, Plame could have worked for the CIA (my friend Ray McGovern did that), and she could have been dumb enough to think the give-em-bad-plans scheme was a good idea (we all make mistakes), and she could still have presented a threat to Cheney's less subtle schemes (after all, she sent her husband to Niger). But we should bear in mind while trying to figure this out that the organization she worked for has never had as its main objectives truth, peace, or democracy.
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:47 PM
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31. David Kelly must have been on to this stuff too n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:41 PM
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33. kick
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:48 PM
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34. Blofeld
It seems that Ernst Stavro Blofeld and SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion)are alive and well in this world.

Cheney's aspirations of world domination continue. His quest for global supremacy is based around terrorism, revenge and extortion.

God Help Us All
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:29 PM
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47. People are so naive...Cheney tortures people...that should tell you everything
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:22 PM
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36. As I have posted several times and twice this week-end, the outrage
over Wilson's op-ed seemed too over the top. I have always believed that the outing had to do with Valerie herself as well as the Ambassador. Perhaps the VP found out while complaining about Wilson just what his wife's job entailed and he moved to close it down, which is exactly what happened according to her interview tonight. The whole network was of course exposed and probably agents and their proteges died. Cheney and his surreptitious and clandestine activities were thus allowed to continue and probably even flourish. He was probably closely aligned with Khan; otherwise how can one possibly explain the non-punishment of such a traitor. Our very own Axix of Evil at work.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:23 PM
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37. Kpete, please read my post from Sunday, its about Turkey
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:35 PM
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39. Well done FogerRox
pieces of the puzzle - coming together

"AS the VX (CIA Dir ops) tanker truck makes its way thru Turkey, headed for Iraq, the truck gets intercepted by Brewster Jennings (CIA Dir Intell)"

keep documenting the atrocities - one day, hopefully in our lifetime, justice will prevail, kp
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:03 PM
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41. IIRC Valerie has talked only about her activities in Iraq/Iran
The WaPo Article and Sibel put a counter proliferation unit in Turkey.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:14 AM
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48. before they shut up Sible Edmonds and scrubbed all her info..she was
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 12:15 AM by flyarm
saying TURKEY TURKEY TURKEY.. i remember reading her info when she first began to speak out.. and having it in my files until it was all scrubbed..and then they put the gag order on her.

fly
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:41 AM
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50. Turkey and Hastert. n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:32 AM
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52. yep and she also said others were involved....
:hi:

fly
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:26 AM
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54. I had wondered if Texas governor Rick Perry was involved
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 02:27 AM by lostnfound
when I read that he had just traveled to Turkey, but it turned out it was just a routine meeting of the Bilderberg group.

This was from the Dallas News.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-perry_31tex.ART.State.Edition1.43b926a.html

Perry off to secret forum in Turkey

He'll speak about federalism at elite global conference


AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry is flying to Istanbul, Turkey, today to speak at the super-secret Bilderberg Conference, a meeting of about 130 international leaders in business, media and politics.

Gov. Rick Perry leaves today for the Bilderberg Conference, an exclusive, hush-hush meeting of global leaders in business, media and politics. The invitation-only conference was started in 1954 and named for the Dutch hotel where the conference was first held. Those who attend promise not to reveal what was discussed, security is tight, and the press and public are barred.

The conference has been the subject of conspiracy theorists and even Christian groups who wonder about its influence.

Robert Black, the governor's press secretary, said the governor was invited to attend and speak about state-federal relations. Mr. Black dismissed the conspiracy theories.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 08:52 AM
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61. don't know..but that is very interesting!! eom
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:39 AM
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49. I'm glad you're on our side, Foger.
:applause:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:12 PM
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46. 1980's guns and drugs. 2000's nuclear, chemical, and drugs.
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 11:23 PM by higher class
Notice how the Dem candidates and leaders NEVER say anything about the drugs and the trading going on in nuclear parts, supplies, technology.

Notice how all we hear about is the imminent threat from wmd.

That's it. Everybody is selling something. We are being sold lies and bs. Cheney and friends are selling our treasures for their own profits and trying to get able bodied men off the streets. The war on drugs is a war on government competition.

Make that no Dem leaders except Dennis Kucinich.

Dem leaders are not about to accuse anyone of doing what we know they are doing. Is there anyone with the power to take action?

I think we're messed up.

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Flagrante Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:02 AM
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51. BCCI, Iran-Contra, Bush and PanAm 103
The report on BCCI also recommends investigation of possible links between BCCI and Monzer Al Kassar, one of the top arms and drug dealers involved in the Iran-Contra affair... The rest of the program...excerpt highlights a meeting in Jerusalem in July of 1986 at which George Bush and Army intelligence agents McKee and Gannon were present... Both McKee and Gannon were killed in the bombing of Pan Am flight 103.
<http://www.spitfirelist.com/f277.html>

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:18 AM
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53. This is what I've been saying to people all along.
I've had suspicions all along that the real goal was to shut down Brewster Jennings. The surface story that they were trying to discredit or punish Joe Wilson made no sense to me.

"Let's claim that his wife recommended him for the job. Yea, that'll show him!"

Suppose she did recommend him? So what? It never made sense.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:18 AM
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55. morning kick
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:44 AM
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56. Yes and funded by the opium poppy trade of Afghanistan.
It's what connects what Plame (CIA) and Edmonds (FBI) both were watching in counterintelligence.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:49 AM
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57. Hey Mods, The author of the article, Cannonfire blog, wants to join DU
He has written in his blog several times that he wants to join DU and post here, but has been denied membership.

Can you share with us why? He has some pretty good investigative stuff there.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 09:50 AM
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62. Who were those nukes going to?
And should we assume that the six nukes that were flown across the country was another attempt to deplete our nuclear arsenal and make us weaker? So, whose side is Cheney on? What country is his batting for, if he's behind this?

Sounds like a major national security problem to me.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:02 AM
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63. Dick Cheney is a traitor to this country,
he has given aid and comfort to the enemy. He should be impeached, removed from office, charged with treason, convicted, and sentenced to the maximum extent the law for treason allows.

This Congress' refusal to impeach him, and leave a traitor in office is unforgivable.
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