On global warming and the coming new world order

[nadinbrzezinski]

well folks, if we had a flood here or there, or a cat 5 every ten years, or the fire of the century every hundred years, we would not be having this conversation

But it is clear... just from the last month... that we are well on our way to the greatest catastrophe in human history.

In the last month we had Hurricane Dean heat the Mexican Gulf Coast... a CAT 5 hurricane... last week we are breathing ashes in California... and this week we are seeing Tabasco drown...

Oh and two years ago we had Katrina...

Did I mention the freak ice storm in Bogota today? Just for completion here

And if you tie this to the definite right wing swing world wide, and it does smell of fascism in the US... and disaster capitalism, what we may be seeing are governments world wide preparing for the coming wide spread deaths among the species... and the inevitable wars over water, and decreasing resources world wide.

The planet may not have the capacity to carry eight billion people in the best of circumstances... but now... perhaps the carrying capacity of the world is down.

And they know it.

The NWO may be the way of oligarchs around the world to survive.

Or we will do something about global warming

Those floods, global warming, the drought in the SE and the SW global warming...

Just some things to depress you with

:-(

[magellan]

1. Hey, thanks!

No reason to be depressed. We can't change whatever's going to happen. Only those in charge can do the heavy lifting required, and they aren't on our side. So I'm just going to enjoy my life, change what I can, and not worry about the things I can't change.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. We all need to do some of the heavy lifting

granted, they can move more mountaiins, but we are all in this together

[magellan]

7. Like I said, I do what I can

Just for example, I can't force the automobile manufacturers to stop building gas guzzlers or increase fuel efficiency. But I can make damn sure the next car *I* buy is fuel efficient. And I can try to talk my neighbor out of replacing her banged up old car with an SUV just because she likes the look of it, by pointing out that she'll be paying for it AND ever-increasing gas prices to fill it, which she won't like much after the novelty wears off.

I can't control what other people do, but I can try to influence those I'm in contact with.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Exactly

that is all we can do

But small tihngs like that do add up

[AndyTiedye]

14. Maybe You Could Talk Her Into a Hybrid SUV

This Ford Escape Hybrid is built in the U.S.A. by United Autoworkers.
It is a full hybrid, and gets the best mileage of any SUV on the market here.

[magellan]

15. She doesn't need an SUV

She's a semi-retired single woman who drives 45 miles RT to work at a toll plaza, no passengers. She can't afford a brand new car, much less a brand new hybrid SUV which only gets around 30mpg. Financially she'd be much better off with a small, used hybrid. It'll cost her less up front and less in the long run on gas.

It's her decision, but that's what I've recommended to her.

[AndyTiedye]

17. Haven't Seen Many Used Hybrids For Sale Around Here

and used hybrids are NOT eligible for the tax credit.

When you do find a used hybrid here, it's not much cheaper than a new one.
(If it has a carpool sticker, it may be more expensive than a new one).

Hybrids have clearly caught on in California. Gas prices may have something to do with that.
$3.23/gal was the best price I saw yesterday, and it's probably not quite that high where you live.

[magellan]

20. Yes, I remember hearing that they're hard to find

You jogged my memory. But I'm sure she can find something small and economical to suit her needs, hybrid or not. All I know is if she buys this used SUV solely for its looks, she'll be moaning about the mistake she made in no time. And I'd hate to have to tell her "Told you so".

[lonestarnot]

2. I think you left out a hurricane here and a volcano there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Or a tsunami

why did I add that?

As the ice shelf goes down, the tectonic plates are becoming far more active

[lonestarnot]

8. Hang on to your hats kids coasters goin' down!

[Whisp]

5. nadin, you may be interested in this book - Blue Covenant

Blue Covenant, by Maude Barlow. I have not read it yet. Darn, and she was in town last Friday and I missed her.

http://www.canadians.org/about/Maude_Barlow/Blue_Covenant/index.html

An Inconvenient Truth of water.

“Imagine a world in twenty years, in which no substantive progress has been made to provide basic wastewater service in the Third World, or to force industry and industrial agriculture production to stop polluting water systems, or to curb the mass movement of water by pipeline, tanker and other diversion, which will have created huge new swaths of desert."

“Desalination plants will ring the world’s oceans, many of them run by nuclear power; corporate nanotechnology will clean up sewage water and sell it to private utilities who will sell it back to us at a huge profit; the rich will drink only bottled water found in the few remote parts of the world left or sucked from the clouds by machines, while the poor die in increasing numbers. This is not science fiction. This is where the world is headed unless we change course.”

— Maude Barlow

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. thanks once I am done with Klein

where all of this fits like a glove... I will have to look for that one

[Swamp Rat]

10. Loss of potable water is the greatest threat to our species.

Which is why I am studying to become an expert on water resource analysis.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Good for you

:-)

[Swamp Rat]

12. I wish more people were concerned about this.

I canceled my scholarship plans for study in Germany next Summer in order to take an advanced course on remote sensing of water resources.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Most folks, especially in the "advanced world" don't

realize what this means...

After all I open my tap and walla, water.

Hell, right now in Tabasco they are having the same problem they had in N. Orleans (and in a larger geographic area). They are running out of potable water... never mind they are surrounded by the stuff.

And I hope they are ableto get water units down there, as in yesterday... as in shipping the bottled water is only stop gap

And it will take two months to bring the saniation system back on-line

[northernsoul]

16. Agreed, I think "Peak Water" may be the crisis that hits us first

Let us know what you learn.

[Maestro]

19. I agree with you

Clean water is essential. I have been more and more concerned about this over the years. I am especially alarmed at the amount of pollution in our waterways. For example, here in Texas, over half of the rivers and lakes are severely contaminated. We are slowly, but increasingly more rapidly, killing ourselves and this planet.

[donsu]

18. water and food wars

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