Need some help re the strange DFA poll...Kucinich

[slipslidingaway]

The votes are weird IMO and if anyone can copy and paste the results later on this evening I would appreciate it.

Link
http://democracyforamerica.com/

Dennis has been gaining steadily in this poll over several days and even reached over 31% before midnight ET. When I refreshed the page he had dropped under 30% rapidly. Looking at the other candidate numbers they all seemed to fluctuate slightly, the big difference was in the votes cast for Gravel. They were skyrocketing, so I started to open a new tab instead of refreshing the page and will post the numbers below. Sorry for all the numbers, but if you look at the time in the upper right hand corner you will note that within just over an hour almost all of the 6000-7000 votes went to Gravel?

Strange??? I sent them an email.


Total Votes: 134102 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:27:43 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 39992 29.82%
Al Gore (write in) 34295 25.57%
Barack Obama 19033 14.19%
John Edwards 17137 12.78%
Mike Gravel 6488 4.84%
Bill Richardson 5919 4.41%
Hillary Clinton 4923 3.67%
Other 2869 2.14%
Christopher Dodd 2267 1.69%
Joe Biden 1179 0.88%


Total Votes: 134135 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:29:43 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 39996 29.82%
Al Gore (write in) 34296 25.57%
Barack Obama 19033 14.19%
John Edwards 17138 12.78%
Mike Gravel 6512 4.85%
Bill Richardson 5921 4.41%
Hillary Clinton 4924 3.67%
Other 2869 2.14%
Christopher Dodd 2267 1.69%
Joe Biden 1179 0.88%


Total Votes: 134183 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:32:00 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40005 29.81%
Al Gore (write in) 34298 25.56%
Barack Obama 19036 14.19%
John Edwards 17139 12.77%
Mike Gravel 6543 4.88%
Bill Richardson 5921 4.41%
Hillary Clinton 4925 3.67%
Other 2869 2.14%
Christopher Dodd 2267 1.69%
Joe Biden 1180 0.88%



Total Votes: 134205 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:33:39 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40009 29.81%
Al Gore (write in) 34298 25.56%
Barack Obama 19041 14.19%
John Edwards 17143 12.77%
Mike Gravel 6552 4.88%
Bill Richardson 5921 4.41%
Hillary Clinton 4925 3.67%
Other 2869 2.14%
Christopher Dodd 2267 1.69%
Joe Biden 1180 0.88%


Total Votes: 134816 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:41:10 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40035 29.7%
Al Gore (write in) 34304 25.45%
Barack Obama 19044 14.13%
John Edwards 17153 12.72%
Mike Gravel 7105 5.27%
Bill Richardson 5924 4.39%
Hillary Clinton 4930 3.66%
Other 2871 2.13%
Christopher Dodd 2269 1.68%
Joe Biden 1181 0.88%


Total Votes: 136007 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:46:49 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40050 29.45%
Al Gore (write in) 34309 25.23%
Barack Obama 19050 14.01%
John Edwards 17157 12.61%
Mike Gravel 8262 6.07%
Bill Richardson 5924 4.36%
Hillary Clinton 4932 3.63%
Other 2871 2.11%
Christopher Dodd 2271 1.67%
Joe Biden 1181 0.87%


Total Votes: 136589 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:49:24 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40055 29.33%
Al Gore (write in) 34309 25.12%
Barack Obama 19052 13.95%
John Edwards 17160 12.56%
Mike Gravel 8833 6.47%
Bill Richardson 5924 4.34%
Hillary Clinton 4932 3.61%
Other 2872 2.1%
Christopher Dodd 2271 1.66%
Joe Biden 1181 0.86%


Total Votes: 137821 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:54:52 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40073 29.08%
Al Gore (write in) 34310 24.89%
Barack Obama 19054 13.83%
John Edwards 17167 12.46%
Mike Gravel 10034 7.28%
Bill Richardson 5924 4.3%
Hillary Clinton 4934 3.58%
Other 2872 2.08%
Christopher Dodd 2272 1.65%
Joe Biden 1181 0.86%


Total Votes: 140269 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:06:58 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40105 28.59%
Al Gore (write in) 34310 24.46%
Barack Obama 19066 13.59%
John Edwards 17187 12.25%
Mike Gravel 12410 8.85%
Bill Richardson 5927 4.23%
Hillary Clinton 4937 3.52%
Other 2873 2.05%
Christopher Dodd 2271 1.62%
Joe Biden 1183 0.84%


Total Votes: 140950 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:19:36 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40134 28.47%
Al Gore (write in) 34318 24.35%
Barack Obama 19074 13.53%
John Edwards 17206 12.21%
Mike Gravel 13017 9.24%
Bill Richardson 5927 4.21%
Hillary Clinton 4942 3.51%
Other 2875 2.04%
Christopher Dodd 2274 1.61%
Joe Biden 1183 0.84%



Total Votes: 141722 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:33:43 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40162 28.34%
Al Gore (write in) 34324 24.22%
Barack Obama 19081 13.46%
John Edwards 17220 12.15%
Mike Gravel 13723 9.68%
Bill Richardson 5928 4.18%
Hillary Clinton 4946 3.49%
Other 2876 2.03%
Christopher Dodd 2277 1.61%
Joe Biden 1185 0.84%


Total Votes: 141919 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:37:22 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40164 28.3%
Al Gore (write in) 34325 24.19%
Barack Obama 19081 13.44%
John Edwards 17225 12.14%
Mike Gravel 13909 9.8%
Bill Richardson 5928 4.18%
Hillary Clinton 4949 3.49%
Other 2876 2.03%
Christopher Dodd 2277 1.6%
Joe Biden 1185 0.83%

[iamthebandfanman]

1. i havent gone to the poll, but if theres cheating going on

i think its safe to say its been happening for Kucinich too, based on your numbers above....

i dunno how calling out cheating makes it okay for you to cheat too, but hey whatever

[slipslidingaway]

3. ??? Look at the numbers posted above, almost all votes in

just over an hour went to Gravel. Do you think 7000+ Gravel supporters decided to all vote past midnight on a Sunday night?

I'm cheating??? Do you have proof, I voted once.

[iamthebandfanman]

13. yeah i saw that

but i also saw kucinich going up 30..40..50 votes in short periods of time...

sorry but the DFA website doesnt get THAT much traffic to justify ANY of the numbers on the poll.

so if cheating is occuring, i think its happening for more than one canidate.

thats all im saying.

[slipslidingaway]

16. I was not following it that closely until last night when the numbers

were jumping quickly, they have now thrown out many votes from early this morning. Cheating is cheating regardless of the candidate so hopefully someone contacted DFA at the time. It is difficult now to go back a week or two in time :shrug:

Just as it is now hard to undo the Bush years, Patriot Act, Iraq invasion etc. the time to take a stand is when it is happening, not years later :(

Back to impeachment calls etc.

:)

[slipslidingaway]

2. Update...

Total Votes: 142381 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:02:47 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40206 28.24%
Al Gore (write in) 34329 24.11%
Barack Obama 19091 13.41%
John Edwards 17244 12.11%
Mike Gravel 14280 10.03%
Bill Richardson 5928 4.16%
Hillary Clinton 4954 3.48%
Other 2878 2.02%
Christopher Dodd 2283 1.6%
Joe Biden 1188 0.83%

[TheDoorbellRang]

5. update

Total Votes: 142765 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:25:48 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40234 28.18%
Al Gore (write in) 34336 24.05%
Barack Obama 19101 13.38%
John Edwards 17257 12.09%
Mike Gravel 14600 10.23%
Bill Richardson 5929 4.15%
Hillary Clinton 4955 3.47%
Other 2879 2.02%
Christopher Dodd 2286 1.6%
Joe Biden 1188 0.83%

[slipslidingaway]

9. Update...

Total Votes: 143167 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:50:27 -0500

Dennis Kucinich 40272 28.13%
Al Gore (write in) 34340 23.99%
Barack Obama 19104 13.34%
John Edwards 17263 12.06%
Mike Gravel 14947 10.44%
Bill Richardson 5930 4.14%
Hillary Clinton 4956 3.46%
Other 2879 2.01%
Christopher Dodd 2286 1.6%
Joe Biden 1190 0.83%

[TheDoorbellRang]

4. Just a few hours ago Gravel was under 1000

So yes, I'd say the poll has been hacked. Unless DFA figures out some way to winnow out the freep vote, it looks like the poll is worthless. I think they were doing it with some of Kucinich's numbers before -- there were many times his total jumped by hundreds in a few minutes -- and when there was no hue and cry from us (perhaps because many of us really like Dennis), they've switched to Gravel. I would imagine Gravel's age (77) has pretty much ruled him out as anyone's serious candidate.

[upi402]

6. Hard to cull the freeps

Maybe DFA can do it, hope so.

But yeah, Dennis is the only one who was right AND is standing up to corrupted power. Funny to think that freeps would consider this guy, if our nominee, as torpedoing the Democrats. Most of the US population agrees with Kucinich.

[slipslidingaway]

7. Kucinich has been climbing steadily for days. I posted the

numbers a few days ago when he was marginally above Gore and then checked occasionally. I know many candidates sent an email out about the poll which is fine. If you look at the time period below, approximately 12 minutes, you will see that out of 2448 votes, 2376 or 97%, went to Gravel???

Did you see any posts about those large jumps for Kucinich, I have not.


Total Votes: 137821 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:54:52 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40073 29.08%
Al Gore (write in) 34310 24.89%
Barack Obama 19054 13.83%
John Edwards 17167 12.46%
Mike Gravel 10034 7.28%
Bill Richardson 5924 4.3%
Hillary Clinton 4934 3.58%
Other 2872 2.08%
Christopher Dodd 2272 1.65%
Joe Biden 1181 0.86%


Total Votes: 140269 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:06:58 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40105 28.59%
Al Gore (write in) 34310 24.46%
Barack Obama 19066 13.59%
John Edwards 17187 12.25%
Mike Gravel 12410 8.85%
Bill Richardson 5927 4.23%
Hillary Clinton 4937 3.52%
Other 2873 2.05%
Christopher Dodd 2271 1.62%
Joe Biden 1183 0.84%

[upi402]

10. Just post 4 above - referred to Kucnich jumps possibly from freeps

I have no evidence, no. I do know that freeps swarm like the Flood on Halo3. And who they think would be injurious to the republic is usually 180 degrees off.

[slipslidingaway]

17. :) )......

"And who they think would be injurious to the republic is usually 180 degrees off."

[TheDoorbellRang]

11. I've written down some daily totals since Gore first pulled ahead

about mid October. At that time we had Gore at 12001 and Kucinich at 6732, with Obama and Edwards in between. On October 24 A.M. Gore was at 23950 while Kucinich was at 13450, again with Obama and Edwards between. By that night, Gore had gone to 24887 while Kucinich's numbers had jumped about 6400 to 19846. He overtook Gore November 1st A.M.(28988 to 28956), and as of yesterday A.M. Kucinich was at 37822 when Gore was at 33615. I've just thought it somewhat odd I never saw the impassioned "Yea, go Dennis" plethora of threads on DU that we saw when Gore was leading. I figured if there was a group somewhere trying to skews the poll by putting Dennis in the lead, they were somewhat bewildered when no one complained -- again, cuz most of us like him.

Last night I looked at the poll an hour or so before you posted, and I remember wondering if Gravel would even break 1000 before the poll ended.

[slipslidingaway]

14. Thanks for the notes. I do see that on 10/24 the poll was posted

on the Kucinich site and believe ??? there was an email sent as well, still those are significant jumps. I did not follow the Gore write in threads here on DU and may have missed any posts about the numbers for Dennis.

After the debate with three mentions of impeachment and 'calling out the press' for their lack of fair reporting in the run up to the invasion of Iraq, I expected Dennis to do well in the poll.

I do see that DFA has now discounted many of the votes from last night, thanks for your help.

Back to impeachment :)

[slipslidingaway]

8. Here's the thread from November 1st with the numbers listed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2182346

[TheDoorbellRang]

12. Looks like DFA is on top of it.

Just went there to see how much Gravel was up, now:

Total Votes: 135891 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:26:25 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 40738 29.98%
Al Gore (write in) 35428 26.07%
Barack Obama 19216 14.14%
John Edwards 17528 12.9%
Bill Richardson 5947 4.38%
Mike Gravel 5550 4.08%
Hillary Clinton 5020 3.69%
Other 2913 2.14%
Christopher Dodd 2330 1.71%
Joe Biden 1221 0.9%


They deleted about 13000 votes.

[slipslidingaway]

15. Last Update...more votes removed

Total Votes: 132635 as of Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500

Candidate Votes %
Dennis Kucinich 41155 31.03%
Al Gore (write in) 36044 27.18%
Barack Obama 19270 14.53%
John Edwards 17614 13.28%
Bill Richardson 5953 4.49%
Hillary Clinton 5046 3.8%
Other 2925 2.21%
Christopher Dodd 2344 1.77%
Joe Biden 1232 0.93%
Mike Gravel 1052 0.79%

[JackORoses]

18. There have been people stuffing the box for Kucinich for days, 1000's of votes in the wee hours

I think they will identify all the illegitimate votes and have a favorable result later today.

[timtom]

19. I could have sworn

that the instructions said that if you vote again, your original vote will be cancelled and your new choices will take effect.

[JackORoses]

22. anyone who owns a domain can make a thousand email addresses,

and then build a small program to go vote for each of them.

That's how Stephen Colbert nearly had a Hungarian Bridge named after him.
That's what was happening with Gravel, and I suspect Kucinich to some extent as well.

I hope the DFA people are able to sort out the real from this fake.

[TahitiNut]

24. The email addresses aren't verified ... so none need be created at all.

I've voted (honestly) in that poll and there was absolutely no verification of my email address. Indeed, I have SEVERAL email addresses (as MANY people do) and didn't bother to 'stuff' the ballot box using them.

[cooolandrew]

20. Gravel was great for the debates but DFA shouldnt' give him one penny. Dennis won clearly.

[NoPasaran]

21. No one won

A candidate would have had to win 66% of the vote to receive DFA's endorsement.

[JackORoses]

23. too bad Hillary only had 6%

pretty accurate I'd say

[NoPasaran]

25. We'll see about that in February