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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:11 PM
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Presidential Pardons Amendment Proposed
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 03:13 PM by CorpGovActivist
H.J.RES.48
Title: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the requirement of the approval of a two-thirds majority of the Supreme Court for any pardon or reprieve granted by the President.
Sponsor: Rep Cohen, Steve (introduced 8/3/2007) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 9/10/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties.

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Seems like that would be a public relations winner for the Dems after the Scooter Libby pardon, and with Bush's second term coming to a close (and the predictable slew of pardons it is likely to entail).

- Dave
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:12 PM
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1. ewwww.....that's a horrible idea
Presidential pardons are the Executive's check over the Judiciary. why on earth would it be a good idea to remove that check?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:14 PM
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3. It's a check on the check.
all three branches involved.

But who's checking on who's checking the checker?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:15 PM
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4. don't make me body-check you
:rofl: :hi:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:14 PM
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2. Great idea, but odds are the first President this apply to would be a Democrat
It usually takes years for a constitutional amandment to be ratified.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:15 PM
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5. NOT a good idea. nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:18 PM
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6. The International Criminal Court
will not recognize any pardons Bush issues. Rumsfeld recently fled France as he was about to be arrested for war crimes. There will be no place in the world these people will be able to hide from prosecution for their war crimes.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:26 PM
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7. Americans are not subject to the ICC's jurisdiction
since we are not a party to the Rome Statute.

What you may be referring to is the phenomenon that many European countries claim "universal jurisdiction" to try people for war crimes.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:28 PM
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8. Well, don't we do that?
If it's good for the US, it should be good for Europe. I, for one, would love to see Rummy rotting in a European prison.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:45 PM
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10. It is a very controversial concept
This might give some background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_jurisdiction

But to be certain, this should be distinguished from the power of the International Criminal Court.
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NYVet Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:35 PM
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9. I don't see this making it through the Senate
The House, maybe.
The Senate? Not a Change in Hell.




In fact, this bill has the same change of becoming an amendment as I do of bedding a supermodel.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 07:47 PM
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11. even if it passed, there is no way it would be applicable to a sitting president
sort of like they passed the presidential salary raise while Bill was still in office, but it didn't take effect until Shrub became squatter in chief
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