"Wrong on cannibalism. Wrong for America."

[kpete]

Read this, then check a map.
by Kagro X
Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 06:27:54 AM PST

Glenn Greenwald on the vote to confirm Michael Mukasey:

The most amazing quote was from chief Mukasey supporter Chuck Schumer, who, before voting for him, said that Mukasey is "wrong on torture -- dead wrong." Marvel at that phrase: "wrong on torture." Six years ago, there wasn't even any such thing as being "wrong on torture," because "torture" wasn't something we debated. It would have been incoherent to have heard: "Well, he's dead wrong on torture, but . . . "

Now, "torture" is not only something we openly debate, but it's something we do. And the fact that someone is on the wrong side of the "torture debate" doesn't prevent them from becoming the Attorney General of the United States. It's just one issue, like any other issue -- the capital gains tax, employer mandates for health care, the water bill -- and just because someone is "dead wrong" on one little issue (torture) hardly disqualifies them from High Beltway Office.
Are you still in the country you thought you were in?http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/09/filibuster/index.html

This is a watershed moment. It's now possible to be "wrong on torture" and survive. Not just survive, though. Thrive. Win high office. Be the chief law "enforcement" officer of the United States of America.

What standard does this set? What practices, if any, are and will forever be out of bounds?

Chuck Schumer's logic is just another step toward the day when campaign ads of the future will deliver as a straight line the news that the opposition is, "Wrong on cannibalism. Wrong for America."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/9/92119/7549

[Buzz Clik]

1. Watershed moment, indeed.

There is no going back, I'm afraid.

[jgraz]

9. There is a way to go back

It involves kicking all these sorry motherfuckers out of office.

[groovedaddy]

2. It was either this or IMPEACHMENT and they've decided which it will be

They are right that you aren't going to get any better out of the criminal bush misadministration. But doesn't this just help make the case for impeachment?

[BurtWorm]

3. It's now possible to defend your vote for a torture-enabling AG

by saying, "At least we won't be prosecuting so many torturers now," which is exactly the status quo argument from the "centrists" in DC like Spector and Schumer and the big "think" tanks that tell everyone else in power how to think.

:grr:

[nolabels]

4. It's not where you draw the line but who gets appointed to draw the line

When i realized that most justice systems are just a way to divide up spoils then things started become more obvious.

Laws drawn up by a mob ultimately work to a mobs favor and how obvious does it need to be anyway :shrug:

[L. Coyote]

5. If you think missionary tastes great, you should try the children.

:rofl:

It is all cultural relativism. There really isn't anything wrong with torture unless you adhere to civilized reasoning and want to be a member of the global community of nations. Many cultures have tortured. Take the Inquisition and Dark Ages Europe, for example. Torture, including waterboarding was very useful in obtaining admissions about consorting with the Devil, flying about on brooms, and the like. Without torture, how else could such proof of evil have been obtained.

Stories about cannibals and witches are about as accurate as the bogeyman story of our day, terrorism. Or at least they will end up in that realm after we overcome our own cultural relativisim and rejoin the community of nations.

Meanwhile, let's eat the missionaries promulgating this torture idiocy. They taste best roasted tied to a stake in a public plaza.

[Marnieworld]

6. Best thread title ever

Wrong on pedophila but ok by me?

I disgree with his boiling babies stance but I really like his tax plan.

We have now gone through the looking glass.
:cry:

[Beerboy]

7. Typical. n/t.

[Richard Steele]

8. K&R

[bvar22]

10. Picky, picky, picky.

Just because Mukasey thinks its OK to torture, that doesn't make him an evil man....

....or does it?


I mean, torture is such an isolated, little thing, and does not at all reflect an individual's human values....

...or does it?


A person can support torture and still honor all the values represented in our Constitution...

....or can they?