Democrats, Progressives, R-Lites, Independents, Disaffected Republicans All Saying the SAME THING:

[omega minimo]

Democrats, Progressives, R-Lites, Independents, Disaffected Republicans All Saying the SAME THING:

In response to the media blackout and Dem leadership sellout of Kucinich' resolution to impeach Cheney:
It came through loud and clear all day long on different shows on progressive radio,
from all sorts of voters fed up with the game being played and fed up with the arrogance of Dem leaders toward the will of the people:
It was the common outraged outcry after Kucinich’s impeachment resolution was NOT tabled (killed) by the House
and was not debated (Kucinich was prepared) in the House
but sent back to languish ("Off The Table") in the Judiciary Committee
and scrubbed from all “news” reports:

“CONGRESS DEMOCRATS TELL US THAT IN ORDER TO WIN IN '08, THEY CAN’T STAND UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION …"

The people say “WE WON’T SUPPORT YOU IN ‘08, IF YOU CAN’T STAND UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION. NOW!"


“CONGRESS DEMOCRATS TELL US THE VOTERS GAVE THEM A MAJORITY IN ’06 TO RAISE MINIMUM WAGE, END THE WAR AND PASS HEALTH CARE. IMPEACHMENT WOULD DISTRACT FROM THOSE THINGS…"

The people say “WE GAVE YOU A MAJORITY IN ’06 TO HOLD THE BUSH ADMISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE BY ENDING AND INVESTIGATING THE ILLEGAL WAR. DON’T PATRONIZE US AND PRETEND THAT THE WAR AND IMPEACHMENT ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OR THAT YOU CAN’T ADDRESS DOMESTIC ISSUES WHILE YOU DO YOUR SWORN DUTY TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.”

``I, ____ _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.''


“CONGRESS DEMOCRATS TELL US THAT IN ORDER TO WIN IN '08, THEY CAN’T STAND UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION …"

The people say “WE WON’T SUPPORT YOU IN ‘08, IF YOU CAN’T STAND UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION. NOW!"


We're hearing it from former Republicans who switched to Democratic candidates after seeing Bushco's effect on their party;

From self-described "middle of the road on pretty much everything" Democrats who know hypocritical and criminal behavior when they see it;

From longtime progressive "lesser of evil" voters, who are aware of the dangers and the damage to our system of government;

From self-described "disaffected Republicans" who see the corruption in the system...

who all are calling national talk radio with the same message, who have reached the same conclusion at the same moment.

The tide has turned. The ground has shifted. The clamor has grown with ONE SIMPLE MESSAGE:

HOLD THIS ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE OR LOSE THE SUPPORT OF THE DEMOCRATIC BASE, INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICAN LITES!!!!

DO. IT. NOW.

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THE MESSAGE OF THE DISAFFECTED VOTERS IS THAT IF DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY NOW, IF DEMOCRATIC LEADERS TURN THEIR BACKS AND REFUSE TO REPRESENT US, IF THEY CONTINUE TO PATRONIZE AND PRETEND THAT WE CARE MORE ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE THAN THE BALANCE OF POWERS AND OUR CIVIL RIGHTS -- THEN THEY ARE SENDING US A MESSAGE:

THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LOST OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT.

:thumbsdown:

[Vincardog]

1. DO. IT. NOW.

[omega minimo]

3. OR. GIVE. US. THE. REAL. REASON. NOT. TO.

Why are they afraid to investigate?

:popcorn:

[Vincardog]

4. No investigation is necessary. They have admitted repeatedly on national TV to having

Spies on us without warrants.
They claim to be abiding by the law while violating international treaties on human rights at every turn.

IF the AG would admit that water boarding is torture they would have no choice but to impeach convict indict convict and imprison ALL OF THEM NOW.

[omega minimo]

5. Right. It's so In Yer Face. The voices I heard Friday were fed up with that sort of arrogance

coming from Democrats.

[robinlynne]

2. YES. plain and simple.

[omega minimo]

6. "Impeachment would block out the sun"

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/House_Dem_defends_leadership_decision_to_1109.html

[rhett o rick]

7. Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman claims that the voters in 06 wanted min wage, and other such

issues addressed. She forgets or ignores what the polls said at the time. The issues she touts weren't in the top ten. I believe cleaning up corruption was high if not number one.

[omega minimo]

8. she reinforced the outrage by being completely out of touch and condescending- as if voters

are children, or idiots....

Her comments about the timing conveniently ignore the clamor for impeachment (and the investigations and case-building) has been GROWING LOUDER since at least 2006.....................................

[rhett o rick]

11. Exactly. And I wish to correct her name as Wasserman Schultz. nm

[PinkyisBlue]

18. As far as I'm concerned, the entire minimum wage issue is a farce.

Big deal, the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $6.15 (or something like that). In the meantime, prices for gasoline, heating oil, food, rents, property taxes, etc. have spiked. The minimum wage would have to increase to about $15.00 per hour to have any kind of impact on the lives of real people. I feel like the Bushies are throwing back in our faces any gains we make: you want a $1.00 per hour raise? OK, but the price of gas is going to double, and the govt. is going to stop funding state universities so that you can't afford to get a higher education with your measly raise.

It's better for all of us if we get rid of Bush/Cheney and have a government in place that represents the people. Unfortunately, the government we have now does not represent us and is not looking out for our interests.

Besides, I believe in fairness. Impeach Bush/Cheney. It's the only way we can start over.

[rhett o rick]

32. I agree with you. nm

[omega minimo]

40. Look at Minimum Wage! Not Globalization!! Look at Illegal Immigrants! Not Outsourcing!!

[PassingFair]

17. Look at all the responses!

And some say the DU is out of the mainstream!

Jeez! We have more "centrists" here than
there are in Florida!

[arikara]

9. They are showing just how much the same they are

as the repukes. It goes way beyond spineless, they are complicit.

[omega minimo]

12. they're not afraid of looking "soft on terror." they're afraid of turning over the rock

for what might scurry out.

They have announced it with their inaction. The people have called their bluff.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I can hear my Poli Sci Prof who back in 1988 said

The demsn refusal to impeach Reagan will cost them the White House....

But. but...

Does not matter who they nominate... they just lost the WH. The People like accountabity.

[omega minimo]

13. yes. Dems should compare this refusal to impeach with that one. NOT WITH CLINTON!!

:bounce:

[Swamp Rat]

14. abraço

:hug:

[H2O Man]

15. I hope that in

the upcoming week, those DUers who are in favor of protecting the Constitution will contact their elected representatives and demand impeachment.

Nominated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I have and will continue to

and I will PUNISH my elected official if they keep holding this off...by witholding my vote for them

Nothing less will do... unfortunately

[On the Road]

16. There Are Many Tacks the Congressional Democrats Could Have Taken

They might have stopped the war instead of pursuing impeachment, for example. They might have stonewalled Bush's budget requests or nominess at the risk of sacrificing something else. There are always tradeoffs.

What I cannot stand is their doing NONE of the above. I simply cannot fathom it. And I am not an activist by nature, nor am I towards the left of the party. It seems absolutely craven. A minimum wage hike should not have been a difficult vote, nor should it be a substitute for any more difficult achievements.

The worst thing is that Pelosi, Reid, and Hoyer seem to be baffled that "the grassroots are angry." I have no idea what that means to them or what they plan to do about it.

[RainDog]

22. exactly

half of the nation fully supports impeachment at this time. with so many out there who don't keep track of the corruption and war crimes, that number is amazing. with hearings, more people wouldl hear the truths about this administration's actions and that figure will climb. same with the phone calls. Like you, I'm not an activist by nature. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many people who are not inclined toward this sort of public life have been so alarmed by what Bush and Cheney are doing and have spoken out.

This just is not biz as usual to me.

[EFerrari]

20. . . .

:)

K&R

[TahitiNut]

21. To the barricades!

[Le Taz Hot]

26. WHAT??????

It's the only way I can yell on this gol darn contraption! :evilgrin:

[PVnRT]

30. RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

[xiamiam]

33. thats funny...

[Perry Logan]

23. FACT CHECK: The Democrats in Congress stuck together more than any group of Democrats in 50 years.

Some people at DU love to feel betrayed. But it just ain't so.

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any
other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner
and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous
record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a
mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the
chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000
votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison,
the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in
1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn’t on pace to break any
records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives. Approximately “1 in
6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes,” noted a JulyMcClatchy report. “If this
pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous
record number of cloture votes.”
It’s interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under
his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record
“for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II.”

[Senator]

34. FACT CHECK: The Lemmings in Norway stick together more than any group of rodents in the world.

"The lemmings must be directed to the sea." -- Frank Burns



And on a painfully ironic note, a group of lemmings whose behavior -- while not "suicidal" -- does often cause many counter-productive deaths, is called a "revolution of lemmings."

But seriously, what does it matter how united they are in DOING nothing?

--

[mzmolly]

36. Nice to see some info that makes us feel a bit heard.

Thanks. :hi:

[truedelphi]

38. But amazingly Reid was able to scramble over the Repugs and

bring the vote to censure MoveOn to a head.

I sleep so much better knowing MoveOn was taken downa notch.

[MuseRider]

24. All the Republicans here,

there are a LOT of them in Kansas especially out here in the boonies, have given me shit for years. It was all in good fun since I am a liberal but we are friends. They are very angry. They are not angry that impeachment has come up, they are angry that it did not come up before and that it is being shut down by the people they never thought they would vote for but did, the Democrats.

I don't know what else it will take. There must be a lot of crap under those rocks if they are so afraid to peek under them. My guess is under those rocks are Democrats and the fact that they are not pure either.

[fascisthunter]

25. I Was Apologized to By a Relative who is a long time Republican

Also a vet of the Vietnam War. Really, really nice guy! He came over to me during a 4th of July barbecue and hushed everyone down to make an open apology to me about Bush and said that he was wrong. My mouth dropped to the ground.

As of today, I'm not sure how he will vote, but I'm sure he will be more careful when listening to right wing talk radio.

Also, my brother lives in an area up in Maine where most there are Republican and they constantly tell him that they HATE Bush and the new Republican party. Pretty amazing actually.

[MuseRider]

27. Yes it is amazing and

a squandering of the opportunity by the Dems. Hopefully it will not be tragic but it should at this point be a no brainer. The Dems should have this sewn up but sadly they will go down as the chickenshits they are.

[NewJeffCT]

29. I know a lot of Republics who held their noses & voted Bush in 2004

And, it was mainly because the media and the RW propaganda machine had so effectively demonized Kerry that they though Bush was the lesser of two evils.

I even remember one guy who sat near me at work was very vocal about telling everybody to vote for Kerry in the summer of 2004. But, he ended up admitting he voted Bush later on because he thought Kerry might be even worse.

[fascisthunter]

31. After Talking to Him

I realized he and I both shared a lot of common interests. What was it that made him soley vote for the Republican Party? Probably Fox and the rest of that right wing AM radio crap. Mainstream corporate media doesn't help either, I'm sure.

[catmandu57]

28. Si what do we do?

We're being ignored by the people we worked our asses off to get into government, once again we're going to ladled out lukewarm lesser of evils as a choice. Is a third party viable? Is there time to get something going, to turn our backs on both the dems and pukes?
I'd like to know, I'm fucking sick of inaction and crumbs.

[dougolat]

35. "off the table" means NOT ON THE JOB

The evidence for impeachment is vast and multi-layered, but it would be magnitudes more if not for the contempt of Congressional subpoenas, the'lost' e-mails, and general stonewalling (yet another impeachable) If we are to avoid the avalanche of Presidential pardons that would derail future investigations and accountability -IMPEACH NOW or be forever complicit with war-crimes for profiteers and subverting the Constitution. Are they afraid of getting what happened to Max Cleland and Cynthia McKinney? Or even Wellstone? Or more Anthrax? Well, the world needs us to live up to being the land of the free!

[pokercat999]

37. THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LOST OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT

Like sand slowly slipping through our fingers our govt has shifted from the hands of the people to the control of the corporations. I learned (if correct) here on DU that the process started in 1896 when the SCOTUS declared Corporations had parity with persons. Which in 1896 meant white male persons.

Anyone know is that correct?

[Hidden Stillness]

39. "Bi-Partisanship": The Curse of the Current Democrats in Congress

The Democratic refusal to move to impeach, censure, investigate, or anything else, Dickshit Cheney, is all the more peculiar--and outrageous--when you compare it to the situation some 36 years or so ago, with then-Vice President under Nixon, Spiro Agnew, a vile, mean bastard as hated as Cheney now, and with surprisingly similar kinds of accusations. Agnew's poll numbers were, like Cheney's now, almost unrecordably low, even as Nixon's (and Bush's now) plummeted also. Agnew then, Cheney now, was a kind of Party-enforcer, and media-intimidator. When Agnew's questionable business ties and awarding of Government contracts started to come out, the puble became more outraged, and the guilty plea (or "no contest," which is the same thing, I think it actually was) to tax evasion, was the final straw. It was considered outrageous and anti-American, especially after all of Agnew's attacks against the morality and patriotism of liberals, etc. Agnew was finally forced to resign on a count of "corruption," well-earned. It all preogressed a very orderly way, reached its conclusion when the proof and the plea came, and the chorus of "throw the bastard out" made it inevitable. There was no "chorus" on the other side, that I ever recall.

Now you have Cheney, as hated as Agnew was, who set up a secret tribunal of corporate executives of some sort, arranged the disinformation campaign leading to the invasion of oil-rich Iraq, worked a "Constitution" for that country that would impose a flat tax, abolition of labor unions, the profits for oil turned over to Halliburton and other Cheney-connected corporations, exposed the identity of an active undercover agent--supposed to be an impeachable, and imprisonable offense, right there--and apart from everything else, disgraced the Office and the country, by getting drunk, having no valid hunting license, and shooting someone in the face, then refusing to cooperate with police! Cheney has usurped the properties and powers of the Presidency itself, and taken it on as Vice-Presidential authority--a complete violation of the Constitution!

Yet we are cursed today, with a group, who seem to be Democrats, and are not. The Republican-lobbyist-funded firm of "D"LC, Inc., running the official operations and pronouncements of the Congressional Democrats, from the "top-down," have them so controlled, so cravenly cowed, that if you notice, they do not even use the words "raise taxes," no matter how horrific the debt and deficit, and no matter how obviously needed; they do not say "poor" or "poverty," but only "America's working families," whatever the fuck that means; and will not, will not, refuse to, criticize Republicans with any sharpness or truth at all, but only, interminably, nauseatingly, like abuse victims fearing the next attack, praise "our wonderful friends, the Republicans," "oh, how grateful we are for Republican support," "we will never do anything to risk losing our wonderful Republican bi-partisan cooperation," and then they get slammed right in the face, again. They are taught, in "WE Are TRYING to Be 2nd Best" Democrat-Party class, to say NOTHING of any consequence, with any point, anything that relates to or sounds at all like the kinds of comments from the non-lobbyists of the larger country, which they now try to stifle completely.

I think you will NEVER get this crowd to take their responsibilities seriously, to take any action on the outrageous and illegal behavior of Cheney, let alone Bush, or even fight as a normal matter of course in Congress no matter how obstructionist Republicans have become--they are deaf to it; they relate to nothing now but their insipid and disastrous "bi-partisanship," which only they practice and which has accomplished so little, and they are so afraid of what Republicans will do to them if they hear any Democrat complain. It is like they think they are living in a Communist country, are being spied on and will be persecuted and destroyed for any little sign of independent thought, and...well, wait a minute...