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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:04 PM Original message |
Poll question: We hold these truths to be self-evident, |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. I suppose you could have a debate on what "Equal" means |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Some people may have a problem with the "endowed by their Creator" part. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm sure they do |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Is that the part they disagreed with? |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. No, the Creator part wasn't the prob |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Good God Almighty... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Sadly, it's |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. GRRRRR |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. the convention of the time had a very different definition of "all men", as well |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. True enough |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. lol, not to get into a whole interpretive conventions thing, but |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. In a word, Yes. What is "equal?" |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. in this context, equal is |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I see what you're saying. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. The word in play is "equal" |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. is that a legitimate beef, though? The constitution was written in the language of it's time n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Well, they could consider it like the book version of Frankenstein, I suppose. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
16. I think we can all agree on the spirit of what's written |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. property-owning white males...i am not included in the original definition |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. yes you are correct |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
18. Can't really vote without more info.... |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I believe in that context "equal" was a swipe at royalty. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I think that's an excellent |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I believe so too... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. For me, equal means |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. With that definition... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. "smarter" and "prettier" and "more artistic" and "more emotional"(?) do NOT make people unequal ... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I think I love you |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. (blush) Well ... golly ... I just think it should be obvious. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I wish it were true. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Except that the Declaration |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Exactly. It's SOOO easy to be completely buried in how we USE others. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
25. Ironically, the "tyranical" Brits abolished slavery 30 years before we did. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yes, funny that. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. To be fair, the northern states abolished slavery at the same time or even before the Brits did. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
28. Equal rights despite unequal talents |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. The founders never expected Industrialism to turn private property into something bad. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. "Equal" in the DoI is meant to mean we are all equally human and thus Aristocracy... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
32. I agree, as we're all born butt naked and we all return to the dust. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
34. I don't like the "endowed by their Creator" business, |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
39. I agree with it. |
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