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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:26 PM
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Police taser man in coma.. (he was a security threat)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7096456.stm

Terror police 'shot' man in coma

Mr Gaubert said he suffered severe post-traumatic stress
A man who had gone into a diabetic coma on a bus in Leeds was shot twice with a Taser gun by police who feared he may have been a security threat.
Nicholas Gaubert has described how the incident happened in July 2005, just a week before the fatal shooting of Brazilian man Jean Charles de Menezes.

Mr Gaubert, 34, said he was suffering severe post-traumatic stress as a result of the shooting.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.

Mr Gaubert, who lives in Leeds, said he had now decided to speak out after the Crown Prosecution Service ruled no officers involved should be charged with any criminal offences.

The IPCC is still considering whether any disciplinary matters will be brought against the officers.

Armed police deployed

Mr Gaubert said he was on his way to meet friends when he suffered a fit on the bus and slipped into a coma which left him slumped on his seat clutching his rucksack.

Armed police were called to the bus depot in Headingley and when he failed to respond to their challenges he was shot with the Taser.

He said as this was happening, another officer was pointing a real gun at his head.

He was restrained and eventually came round in the police van.

He said it was only then that the officers realised it was a medical emergency, despite him wearing a medical tag round his neck to warn of his condition, and took him to hospital.

Mr Gaubert said he was told the police believed he looked "Egyptian".

He is completely traumatised by this - he is living with it every day

Solicitor Ifti Manzoor

Mr Gaubert's solicitor Ifti Manzoor said the incident had clear parallels with the shooting of Mr Menezes at Stockwell tube station and showed there was evidence of a breakdown in communication between the police on the ground and their commanders.

Mr Gaubert said: "When I heard about that Brazilian man in London I just thought, 'oh no, that could have been me'."

Mr Manzoor added: "The evidence is there was an order that officers be deployed and contain the scene. This direct order seems to have been ignored.

"I really appreciate that under the circumstances and at that time the police had an enormously difficult job.

"But Mr Gaubert was alone in a bus depot.

"He is completely traumatised by this. He is living with it every day."

'Potential security threat'

A statement from the IPCC said: "The IPCC managed an investigation into an incident on 13 July 2005 in which West Yorkshire Police discharged a Taser at a man while he sat on a bus in Leeds.

"The man was mistakenly treated as a potential security threat when he was, in fact, in a hypoglycaemic state. The investigation report was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November 2006.

"The CPS returned its initial decision in February 2007 stating that no officers should be charged with any criminal offences.

"Consideration was then given by the CPS as to whether any offences had been committed under health and safety law.

"A decision was received recently to advise that no charges would be brought under this legislation.

"The IPCC must determine whether any disciplinary matters need to be considered against the officers involved.

"Initial recommendations regarding discipline put forward by the police forces involved have not been agreed by the IPCC and discussions are ongoing. "

West Yorkshire Police said the matter was in the hands of the IPCC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7096456.stm









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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:28 PM
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1. The fugging piolice with tasers are a threat to citizens
This is madness. Listen DUers don't get sick in public.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:29 PM
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2. I don't think the best response to a medical emergency is to shoot them
with a taser or anything else. It seems the police everywhere need a little training in recognizing things like diabetic comas, mental illnesses, etc.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:33 PM
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5. As a medic I remember responding to jail
for the unresponsive "drunk" who gave the cops more than they bargained to

And transporting some of these guys straight to the ICU
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:30 PM
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3. Jeeze. I think all these cops got new 'toys' and just can't wait to try
them out on some unsuspecting 'criminal'. Unreal. How do they get 'threat' out of a person who is in a state of hypoglycemia?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:30 PM
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4. The police need to realize that not everyone they come in contact with
requires tasering. This is ridiculous!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:38 PM
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6. Question: does the average police force contain more law enforcers than criminals?
Are they recruiting the craziest bastards in the US to be cops? (And is it deliberate?)
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:41 PM
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7. FYI - This took place in London n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:41 PM
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8. FYI LEEDS IS IN ENGLAND...
as in the other side of the pond.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:51 PM
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12. Sorry -- UK not US -- but they're acting just as crazy lately.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:46 PM
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9. Damn, I thought this was a parody thread. we should be so lucky.
Police training and philosophy needs a COMPLETE overhaul.

SERVE and PROTECT should mean just that.
Drug war and now TERROR, with all the PROFILING and warped priorities have brought out the worst authoritarian traits in those who take on the job.

they should be well paid and well trained, psychologically filtering out cruelty and other bad traits.
medical training should be a very high priority as well.
And severe punishment and banning from the profession any who violate human rights.

When Blackwater types and PTSD former soldiers come back, this may get even worse.
We REALLY need to address this on an international level.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:47 PM
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10. One day they're taser someone having a heart-attack...
and the shock will save his life.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:48 PM
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11. and it will just go on and on and on until we (including police and supporters) admit
there is a problem. if they dont own up to it, then the people will continue to turn on the police and fear them, resent them and not corporate with them. they will lose the community

but

to all those blind supports, what the hell right.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 06:30 PM
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13. kick
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 06:37 PM
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14. Geez, how does anybody in their right mind believe that someone who's slumped in a coma
Is a fucking threat? He's slumped there, probably drooling, that's it. Wow, big fucking threat. Fucking idiot cops just need any excuse to use their new fucking taser toy. Be warned people, this is coming to cops, rent a cops, private security and private citizens near you.

Frankly we should just simply outlaw Tasers. The whole meme that these are to be used as last possible resort obviously isn't registering with our police forces worldwide. In fact Tasering now seems to be taking the place of shaking somebody on the shoulder to see if they're OK:puke:
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