I am SO HAPPY! I just

[ray of light]

got a call from the DCCC and they were asking me for $$$$.

I told them that I was not donating time or money to them because the Democrats were not ending the war and not impeaching Bush. They tried to respond with ,'Ma'am are you aware it takes 2/3rds to impeach?" And I said, "Heck YES, I'm aware of that. But I'm also aware that he's already committed impeachable offenses by lying about the war, by refusing to give documentation to Congress, by treason, by spying, and that IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS are necessary for DOCUMENTING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF HIS CRIMES. And until these hearing are held of course the 2/3rds is impossible to get. BUT AFTER those are DOCUMENTED and on the OFFICIAL RECORD, then the 2/3rds and the public support would be easy."

So then she tried to say that "It's the Republicans' fault." So I said, "You guys said that when you were the minority. The fact is that you can not point a finger when YOU have failed to put impeachment on the table. And you've failed to put the Republicans failures and crimes ON THE RECORD."

I said, "You are not getting one red cent more from me! And furthermore, your inactivity on Impeachment and your focus on 08 is causing you to lose the 18-20 year old college students who are future democratic voters. THEY understand that the PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED CRIMES. THEY UNDERSTAND that the DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVES are just pointing fingers instead of doing their job. AND they are losing people like me FORMER Republicans, former Bush voters, current Democratic voters, and current independents. Heck, even my brother a conservative Republican wants Bush and Cheney impeached!"

I further added, "I will not vote for Clinton or Obama or any candidate who doesn't start or vote for Impeachment. Unless Edwards, Obama, or Hilary start advocating impeachment, I will not work for them or give money to them. Right now, I will vote for Kucinich or I will write in a candidate before I vote for anyone who will not impeach."

And so now, I'm taking a public stand.

[ray of light]

1. I forgot to add.. I think I told her that the democrats had to

stop acting like children and instead start acting like adults. Putting impeachment on the table is what adults do when people commit crimes. Pointing fingers and blaming the other party is what children do.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. Did you tell them to act like adults in capital letters?

BECAUSE NOTHING SCREAMS MATURITY LIKE SCREAMING.

[Orsino]

15. God, yes. The * Admin's crimes pale in comparison to the use of all caps. n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. * works for the DCCC?

Who knew? :shrug:

[truedelphi]

30. Isn't that the reason that Pelosi gave for her putting her CAP LOCKS key

Under the table??

[ray of light]

17. caps=emphasis. Went over your head?

[jgraz]

28. Actually, the logic and reason went over his head

He's just snarking about the caps cuz that's the only part he understood.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

51. What logic and reason?

I see much petulance and childish ranting, but very little in the way of logic and rason.

[Subdivisions]

2. Why haven't they called me? ARRRGGHH!

Good for you. The more they hear your message, as they have from numerous DUers already, perhaps they begin to get the picture.

A big

THANK YOU

to you!

[ray of light]

31. It shows up "Out of area" on caller id. So if you screen those then you

will not be able.

BUT the pollsters have started their calls. So PICK UP when they do!

[eleny]

3. Good for you. I say, let the impeachment process go forward

Let hearings begin and the votes will fall where they may. It's the duty of our reps to protect our constitution.

[Subdivisions]

6. The OP mentions the documentation of the crimes committed

by this administration and it is of paramount importance. Once the People see with clarity what this criminal cabal has done, the votes
WILL BE THERE or there will be NO incumbent victories in '08.

[progressivebydesign]

4. Umm.. I'm sure the minimum wage call center employee enjoyed the lecture. n/t

[Subdivisions]

10. Ummm...so you think that this is some telemarketing

company and not actual Democratic voter/volunteers making these calls? I guess that's a possibility but if I recall from my few days of telemarketing some sort of record of the final result of the call is made so that improvements in the pitch can be made.

Who knows anymore? I hope it's real Dems and not just employees on commission.

[Le Taz Hot]

11. Call center volunteers are usually volunteers.

[babylonsister]

34. That's what message pads are for; I'm sure the word could be relayed. nt

[Hosnon]

36. Umm...you don't think that each party keeps track of voter sentiment? (nt)

[bluerum]

5. I have done the same thing several times. Some duer's mail back the

mailed requests with a note expressing a similar sentiment, and no cash.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Ray, it takes a simple majority in the house to impeach. It takes 2/3 in the Senate

to convict and to remove from office.

And the DCCC of course raises money for House candidates (hand selected by Rahm in the primary)

[ray of light]

18. I knew the phone op had a "go to list" that included that statement

that's why I didn't argue numbers. I stated my case that the impeachment hearings were for documentation of the crimes. And that they had not gone far enough.

Thanks for clarification though.

[Perry Logan]

9. That'll show those Republicans...

...but I'm glad you're so happy.

[Subdivisions]

13. It does present a conundrum, doesn't it? But what good is

it to stand on party loyalty and provide financial support if they then refuse to submit to the will of the People, as they have done since November, 06?

[Warren Stupidity]

21. The DCCC has other problems. Give directly to the candidates you like.

For example, up here in NH, Carol Shea-Porter's campaign was deliberately sabotaged by Rahm's DLC New Dem DCCC. She won despite them, in both the primary and the general election. Fuck the DCCC and their rightwing Corporate Kleptocracy agenda.

[ray of light]

22. Do you call the Republicans and ask them to change? I do.

So I prefer to look at is as helping our country, helping my family, helping my kids, helping my neighbors, helping the future generations who don't have to live with a dictator due to someone proclaiming party loyalty instead of ousting a dictator and a criminal.

So if you've got a beef with me, then call the Republicans and ask for them to change parties and vote for impeachment. That's what I do.

[Yellow Horse]

12. Give Your Money to Verified Voting or One of the State Groups working for Election Integrity.

Because these groups are operating on a shoestring to protect our elections.

Because these candidates already have hundreds of millions to spend that will be for nothing if we have another election like 2000 or 2004.

Because without fair, accurately counted elections we will never get rid of the war, get decent healthcare, or a bunch of other changes.

According to polls, Dems should have won MANY more seats in 2006 and would have had the bigger Majority the DCCC claims they need. Accurately counted elections reflecting the true will of the people are the core of our democracy.

[rocktivity]

14. DING DING DING! You're our grand prize winner!

"...impeachment HEARINGS are necessary for DOCUMENTING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF HIS CRIMES...you've failed to put the Republicans failures and crimes ON THE RECORD."

It isn't about whether we can succeed at impeachment at all, but whether there are GROUNDS for one. The ONLY reason not to even ATTEMPT to impeach somebody is because he HASN'T done impeachable things!!!

:headbang:
rocknation

[senseandsensibility]

16. While I agree with all your comments

please remember that the person placing the call is probably just a local Democrat with a strong desire to beat the repugs, not an operaative or someone with power to change the strategies being used by our "leadership". I know this because until this election cycle, I have been the ones making the calls. And I am just an anonymous member of my local Dem party with no more power than the people I was calling. I had no access to the "leaders" at all, and couldn't even report to them about comments I heard. So although I have fantasized about what I would say when the Dems call to ask me for money, I then imagine how I would have felt if someone said those things to me a couple of years ago. I may still speak my mind, but I will do so kindly, and will politely ask for them to relay my message to their precinct captain. I am sure it will go no farther, but perhaps I will feel better.

[ray of light]

19. True--except that if they hear it enough, they will see a pattern.

[abq e streeter]

20. Way to go, Ray...

I sent a couple of pretty angry emails back to the DSCC a few months ago in reply to emails asking for money and wanting me to sign on-line petitions . Told em what I thought of their silly little petitions and to get back to me when they grew a spine.

[UTUSN]

24. So your vote will help Rethugs. n/t

[rocktivity]

27. Who do you think THE DEMS are helping?

:rofl:
rocknation

[ray of light]

29. Go call the Republicans and get them to impeach. It's the rule of law...

and we all know that they care about the rule of law.

[Hekate]

25. KnR from here. Even the volunteers need to hear this so it gets up the chain.

The only reason I ever sent money to any branch of the national Dems was because of Howard Dean. Now I'm going back to supporting individual candidates -- period.

While I don't agree with your pledge to toss your final vote away I completely understand the sentiment, and I agree with pretty much everything else you expressed.

Edited to add: I wish they'd call me!

Hekate

[dailykoff]

26. Word.

:thumbsup:

[crickets]

32. Way to go, ray of light!

The more people who tell them this, the better. K&R

:dem:

[PassingFair]

33. NOTICE: They are disguising their pitches to look like "local" groups now, too...

I have received two mailers in the past month from "St. Clair Shores Democratic Majority Drive",
signed by Chris Van Hollen of the DCCC.

I took the last one to my local dem meeting and told my fellow members (REAL grassroots
democrats who WORK for the party) that this tactic was being used, to not be FOOLED, and
to give their money to PROGRESSIVE candidates DIRECTLY.

I urge all of you to SPEAK OUT locally.

We need to be voting for the right kind of democrat,
not just someone running with a (D) after their name.

[babylonsister]

35. Good for you! I screen all the calls here; I figure if they can't bother

to identify themselves, I can't bother to pick up. I might have to rethink that.

[ray of light]

40. rethink it! I did! It's the first fundraising call but I've had two polls

about politics in 2 weeks. I'm happy to give them my view!

Oh and I'm happier to answer some of the questions that they think indicate "republican" supporters--such as on terrorism or abortion, etc... They seem to want to pigeon hole those questions as "dem" or "rethug" so it's fun to know that I can let them know that that meme don't work no more!

[rosesaylavee]

37. Good for you...

They called me a couple of times this year too. I did the same. I hope it sent a message.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Good for you!!

They need to start talking about the crimes of this administration and keep on talking until the whole country knows and the people will DEMAND impeachment.

I refuse to give them a dime or a vote until they step up and do their fucking jobs.

[Cha]

39. I'll just bet you feel good!

And, inspiring for a lot of us.

[ray of light]

41. I do feel good because I know that $$$ is the only way to get them to listen.

[Cha]

44. Yeah, dry 'em up.

That's what we need to do to corporatemedia, too.

[Paulie]

42. Only takes a simple MAJORITY to Impeach

but 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

Here's a thread for you: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2303189

So push the argument to conviction may be hard with 2/3rds, but the evidence will speak during the trial in the Senate.

:)

[mzmolly]

43. That's right.

Nice to be reminded, thanks. :hi:

[ShaneGR]

45. Which is what the caller meant

And we all know that telling some loyal Dem who is making little or nothing to make these fundraising calls will really teach the Republicans.

[eridani]

46. I'm pro-impeachment, but that's not what I tell them

The simple fact is that DCCC runs primary candidates against progressives, and I won't support that with my money. They are doing a rerun of their anti-Cegelis tatics on Clint Curtis at the moment.

[DCKit]

47. Whatever it takes to get on the 'DO NOT CALL LIST' I guess.....

You cranky, honest biotch.... How DARE you????

Bwahahahahahahhaha!!!!

[donheld]

48. Ray of Light

:yourock:

[sellitman]

49. You are correct on your Impeachment view but...

In the end game don't give them one less Democratic vote to the Republicans for their efforts.

[ray of light]

50. Well, I call the Republicans too. I tell them that I left the Republican party

due to the corruption. And until they get rid of the corruption starting at the top....

Last year, I actually had the telephone person say that they lost many for the same reason.

[usrbs]

52. I did the same, plus am sending back the letters with same message.

So far, I'm continuing my monthly donation to the DNC because I support Dean and the 50 state strategy, but not a cent to any official Congressional Democratic organization. I'm so tired of our so-called leaders. Maybe, if enough of us do this, they'll get the message.

[Senator]

53. K&R&ImpeachToWin08