Are you in favor of tasing Code Pinkers?

[proud2BlibKansan]

A FOX reporter thinks Code Pinkers should be tasered. Do you agree?

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_host_for_tasing_anyone_in_1119.html

[BrklynLiberal]

1. I think FAUX NOISE reporters should be tasered.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. LOL I should add that as an option

[Cha]

99. And that's why I don't

think any person with credibility should want to go on fauxnoise to sell their books or anything.

Why pretend big brother is anything but that?

[BrklynLiberal]

104. I agree. Why even give them the opportunity to appear as if they are being even-handed?

[Cha]

110. Oh, fauxnoise

is even-handed alright..they have both hands in the bushite till.

[Alter Ego]

2. I think we should taser Fox News reporters.

You know, just have someone rush in on the set of shows like Hannity & Colmes, or O'Reilly--"So, let's start with the Talking Points Memo--*BZZZZZZTT*-AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

EDIT: damn, beaten like Ron Paul.

[underpants]

4. "What's WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!"

The dits doesn't understand how that works both ways

"pro Pink tasing"??? I'm not saying I'm just saying ;-) That is what they call a "tell" there Kilmeade

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. Yes he is a major twit

One of the dumber hosts on that morning show.

[Nuntius_Barbari]

118. I agree with you about Kilmeade, but.....

hannity is the one that pi... irks me. His "Just a yes or no question" BS. If he asked a damn question that didn't need "Yes, BUT..." or "No, BUT..." it would be less odious.

The person you are asking the question of decides the answer, not the questioner.

[demnan]

6. I'm for water boarding Cheney

I've decided we can't just stop at impeachment since they don't stop at incarceration.

[babylonsister]

7. I'm disgusted that any DUers would think tasering anyone is okay.

:puke:

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. I hear ya

but you know there are some here who agree with this Fox reporter. Look at the poll results.

[Alcibiades]

94. Here be freeper lurkers

I've seen a lot of threads degenerate into flame wars wherein people accuse each other of being trolls, Republicans, etc. I've always dismissed this, chalking it up to the usual disunity of our "big tent party."

But over a quarter think Code Pink protesters should be tasered? There are a hell of a lot more asshats lurking here than I had ever imagined.

[dmallind]

Depends on the alternative

Tasers were introduced after all as a non-lethal alternative to firearms use. However they have been misused at times - as any tool can be - would you prefer that alternative was not there at all?

[babylonsister]

18. Non-lethal? Look around DU, or google 'taser deaths' and you'll

see how non-lethal tasers really are. And we're talking about anti-war activists, not criminals. Unless you see no difference in the two and if that's the case, I have no further words for you because I don't agree.

[dmallind]

35. nightsticks can be lethal too

However most often they are used non lethally. So are tasers. Heck just restraining people can be lethal, but is far more often not. You cannot restrict law enforcement options because of rare occurrences. Tasering is one option in the escalation of options, and a taser is a tool, just like handcuffs or a baton. If a cop faced with non-threatening noncompliance goes straight for a taser he or she is an idiot and/or poorly trained. That's sad, but the taser is still not to blame - and is better than the same cop going for a gun - surely you can agree with that? Faced with resistance or assault however, the taser is an excellent tool that NORMALLY and used as intended does not cause lasting harm, yet means the arrestee is quickly and effectively rendered no longer a threat.

A serious question - how SHOULD police deal with those who are illegally occupying private property and who refuse to disperse or comply with lawful orders to leave? What about if they resist arrest or chain themselves to fixtures etc? What about if they physically threaten or assault your officers? Let's imagine this is a KKK rally we're talking about so you have no sympathy for their politics. How would you deal with it as a police lieutenant in charge of the response?

[babylonsister]

48. All those scenarios have happened to and by anti-war activists

and have been resolved without tasering. We used to have rights, such as the right to dissent, in this country which are being slowly eroded as it is, and now you want to allow corporal punishment?
I unequivocally do not!

[Nuntius_Barbari]

119. tasers are considered less damaging but more effective than nightsticks.

The fact is the taser charge is measured, and the nightstick is in the hands of a person. You can never make any one person use the stick the same each time, let alone get more than one person to use the stick in similar fashion.

[Breeze54]

23. Yes!

"- would you prefer that alternative was not there at all?"

YES!!!

How can you even post in defense of this BS?

Tasers AREN'T the issue!!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS !!!! :eyes:

[dmallind]

37. So you want no alternative to decidely lethal tools for cops?

That's the alternative I'm talking about. Freedom of speech is great sure - but freedom of speech is not freedom of occupying private property or impeding lawful business when speaking. Again - do you want cops to ONLY have guns?

[Breeze54]

42. That isn't what the OP is about

The OP is about tasering Code Pinker's or anti-war demonstraters.

[Lorien]

106. Use one on my pacemaker wearing dad and you kill him

why would anyone think that tasering someone for speaking out was OK?

[derby378]

26. Maybe someone's trying to FReep DU?

I think someone sees us as a threat... :rofl: :hi:

And yes, I do think it's disgusting that anyone would want to taser CODEPINK memebers. My beautiful wife is one of them.

[babylonsister]

29. That had occurred to me; notice how brave they are to support

their selection? :hi: And :hi: to your lovely wife!

[Toucano]

85. Are you saying she should be exempt from tasing because she's beautiful?

WTF!!

I'm fed up with the pro-corporate "image is everything" attitude at DU.

It's high time this country started treating ugly wives with the same respect and courtesy as beautiful wives. Damn it!


:sarcasm:
:rofl:

[undercutter2006]

121. lol

[wtmusic]

31. bs you're the best

but I will differ with you on this.

It has to do with seeing a drunk man at a traffic stop shot dead, through the heart, as he approached a cop -- and knowing he would be alive had he been tasered. IMO that kind of thing happens far more often than is picked up by the media, and that taser deaths statistically are blown out of proportion.

What I do find troubling is tasing for convenience. When someone isn't moving fast enough for a cop's preference, or they just happen to be pissing them off. Or the cop doesn't agree with their political point of view.

[babylonsister]

44. 'Might' still be alive. There are too many cases where tasers

kill people. Why is everything that ever happens solved with violence or death? Why is a taser or a gun the only option? In your scenario, why is a cop attacking a drunk man to begin with? Couldn't he have been handcuffed and hauled off instead?
And tasers are immediate punishment for something that may or may not be deserved. How about the case of the person who was in a diabetic coma who got tased anyway? I never did figure that one out.

And do you think CodePinkers deserve to be tased, or that it's preferable to blowing them away with a gun, for being anti-war? Neither is acceptable imo.

Violence has become the answer to everything instead of using common sense.

[wtmusic]

46. I forgot to mention -- the drunk was also swinging a saber

so the cop was justified. Very disturbing to see.

I agree 100% that they are abused. But the problem could be all but solved by putting the same requirement on their use as handguns -- only when the cop's life is in jeopardy. A couple of $million-plus lawsuits buys a whole lot of common sense.

[babylonsister]

49. I'm with you on the lawsuits! And I'd be a bit more

elastic if the cop's life was actually in jeopardy, but in far too many cases, that isn't the case at all. I think cops get a new 'toy' and want to 'play' with it.

[wtmusic]

52. .

:thumbsup:

[mod mom]

62. I have to think we've been infilitrated.

[Kutjara]

80. I have to agree with you.

There's been a decided freeperesque flavor to some threads around here lately. I'm waiting for someone to say, "shoot 'em all, let God sort 'em out." Then I'll know the transformation is complete.

[Alcibiades]

95. I never thought so before

but now I know it to be true.

[Richard Steele]

116. Pretty clear, isn't it? nm

[SOS]

63. 280 corpses don't seem to bother the yes voters.

"In the United States, 280 people have died after being struck by police Tasers since 2001."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/world/americas/16canada.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

[Lorien]

105. For DISSENT no less

I guess the first amendment is a quaint, outdated idea to some DUers. :eyes:

[bdamomma]

9. for what reason to taser people who are showing their dissent.

[Gman]

10. Sure, why not?

:-)

[cali]

11. wtf??? How could 7 people think it's OK

to tase protesters? All I can say, is they must never have protested anything.

[Tesha]

13. A lot of people here despise Code Pink.

I think it's because those women get up from their
keyboards and *ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING*.

Tesha

[City Lights]

19. So a number of DUers are no better than Fox Noise.

:puke:

[GreenPartyVoter]

45. Apparently

[Alcibiades]

96. Worse than FOCKS

Since at least FOCKS no longer pretends not to be fascist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. I agree

They upset the keyboard commando squad.

[undercutter2006]

117. lol

[n2doc]

12. Tase them all and let God sort em out!

[Beerboy]

30. I know I shouldn't, but LOL

:party:

[Raine]

39. I shouldn't either but

LOL. :evilgrin:

[AnneD]

14. I think that ....

for the sake of journalism world wide....the faux reporters should experience this, esp the CEO's and talking heads. Then perhaps they would think twice about even suggesting this. Journalist are so removed from the experiences of the average guy, that they haven't a clue. They have forgotten from whence they came. Perhaps if they remembered-they might actually have some compassion and common sense.

Darn, now I have Don Henley's song Dirty Laundry stuck in my head.

[dmallind]

15. Obviously it depends.

Simply for being a code pinker? Nah. That whole first amendment thing still has some standing. But tasers exist for a reason, and it's certainly possible that at some point a member of ANY protest-based group could provide that reason.

[EV_Ares]

16. Proud, you better have one for yourself at the MO/KS game Saturday, That

is going to be one wild place and a great game.

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. I am a proud Jayhawk this week!

Rock Chalk!!

[EV_Ares]

27. Yeah, ok, be careful & have fun. Understand you guys have a rally

over in PV sometime. MO's is at the Power & Light District.

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Wednesdays at College and Quivira - in front of Roberts' office

Sundays at 4:00 in front of Nichols fountain, 47 and Main

Tuesdays at 5:00 at 63 and Ward Parkway

[EV_Ares]

56. Yeah, sorry, I was talking about the KU rally in PV and the MU rally

at the Pwr & Lt Dist.

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. Oh sorry - LOL

No I don't know about those. But I am sure that I will know by Sat. The news media is covering little else this week.

[libnnc]

Wow. 14 People on this board

want to risk killing women who speak out against illegal wars.

How incredibly sad and sickening.

[ConfidentialStatus]

101. One word

Unbelievable!

[Breeze54]

17. Faux Suxs "reporters"...ahem- LIARS should be tased!!

What a bunch of asshats!

To the 13 that said yes in this poll??

[WolverineDG]

20. No

:hi: proud!

dg

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Hey!

Happy Turkey Day!! :hug:

[mmonk]

21. I support freedom and the first amendment and so the answer is no.

[Beerboy]

28. It depends.

If they are smoking where children can see them, yes. :evilgrin:
The FOXnewz option was tempty, but I'm already down w/ that.

[Echo In Light]

32. Wow, that many sadists here who agree that fascist pigs...

should be allowed to taser dissidents whenever they speak their mind?

Goes to show how the genuine left in this diseased country is a truly marginalized minority.

Maybe some of the soulless dicks who agree with this sick shit will someday watch in horror as their own loved ones suffer such barbarism.

[dmallind]

38. Non sequitur and a red herring to boot.

Supporting the use of a non-lethal alternative to firearms when necessary does not include supporting their use on people who are speaking their mind and doing nothing illegal. However again free speech is not freedom to occupy private property and impede lawful business. If 20 people walk into your living room and refuse to leave do you want cops to be restricted to a) asking them nicely and b) shooting them with nothing in between? Tasers are simply options to use in between a and b. No more, no less. Their misuse, or overuse, does not change this.

[Echo In Light]

47. We're not dealing with the example of someone's "living room" n/t

[dmallind]

51. Nor are we dealing with an example of speech alone NT

jlkj

[Solon]

53. If you think "shooting them" is a reasonable response to "impeding business" you are a fascist...

pig. Jesus fucking Christ on a Popsicle stick, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Beerboy]

41. It's a fun DU poll, c'mon Echo!

There's some cool silly shit on DU, have some fun w/ it.
Welcome to DU from a fellow n00b!
:hi:

[devilgrrl]

33. I think the people here whom voted "yes" should be tased

Better yet - just :nuke: 'em!

[begin_within]

34. Code Pinkers should be ARMED with tasers.

[cali]

36. So far there are 20 fucking CHICKENHAWKS

who voted "to tase", and don't have the guts to stand by there pusillanimous vote and explain it.

[Kingshakabobo]

50. My guess is some people are choosing the most "flamey" option because this poll is flame-bait.

I often do that on flame-bait polls.

[SidDithers]

67. Bingo...nt

Sid

[GreenPartyVoter]

65. 32 now. Maybe we are being freeped?

[Beerboy]

78. I voted to tase Code Pink smokers,

and I don't think I've been shy about it. Tasing Foxn00z? Isn't that pretty much a given?

[flvegan]

40. I actually read the article in the OP. My answer is no.

Whereas the host seems to simply wish any "Code Pinker" tased for no reason, of course not. Anyone voting yes on those grounds stands not only in defiance of the Constitution but is also voting for a police state.

Shameful.

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. Good point and so sad you are the first to make it

[ConfidentialStatus]

103. I believe we are in a Police State

Agreed.

Off Topic:

Are you aware of the forced vaccination on children? They had attack dogs that stood guard and guns fully loaded as the children were hauled off to the courthouse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Vj0EX_STU

"Parents of children not compliant with vaccinations for school in Prince George's Co., MD were given an ultimatum to come to the court house on 11/17/07 or face jail time."


More... Interview with MD State's Attorney Glenn Ivey on Vaccination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SqUgno6iN4

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. Long thread on that topic just the other day

I am pro-vaccination since I am old enough to remember polio. Wouldn't wish that horrific disease on anyone. I also have a sister who was nearly blinded by measles. Parents who don't vaccinate their kids are guilty of child abuse, IMO.

[AlCzervik]

43. Faux "News" is becoming a parody of a satire.

appealing to lowest common denominator of their idiotic demographic.

[L. Coyote]

55. Ooophs, I clicked Depends thinking those tased should be wearing one!

Silly polls deserve some added silliness :rofl:

Seriously, we could save a lot of time if we modified tasers to automatically start a new thread on a radical blog every time they were used.

[balantz]

58. Most definately NO!

This issue hardly deserves even being joked about. The use of tasing in general should be intensely questioned.

The people of codepink are on the frontline of the battle for freedom. I find it difficult to swallow that there are people on this board who think they should be tasered. If codepink, with their effective use of in-your-face obnoxiousness, are allowed to be harmed and silenced then we will enter more deeply into a police state. I would not advise supporting this kind of talk by FOX. In fact we should be speaking out against such dangerous kind of talk by the media mouth-pieces. One might argue that if they were tasered their cause would become more visible, but you can bet the spin would not be a supporting message in favor of codepink and the causes they support.

[Quantess]

91. I think some people are joking about it and voting yes to be silly.

It's not funny.

[balantz]

98. Yes I agree with you. I find myself joking about issues that are

serious quite often. It's healthy to be able to laugh in the face of fear and absurdity. But I saw something that compelled me to be serious here. I see things posted at DU like the work of Naomi Wolfe showing us how we are traveling down a road very similar to that of Germany in the 1930's. We must be very diligent and take careful consideration of how we react to such a serious issue. We have to make sure we stand on the side of those who put themselves on the line for freedom for all of us. Some say they are crazy and obnoxious women, but who else speaking out for freedom gets media attention? If we laugh off this question, or worse, support such action, we are supporting the proposal put out there in the airwaves that it is okay to perform such violence against our threadbare right of freedom of speech. If these ladies are unable to protest loudly against the carnage being carried out in our name then we have lost a crucial voice in this war against our Constitution that we are in the midst of.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

60. Wow -- those are alarming results so far...

... 32 of 108 respondents answering "yes" -- WTF. These are nonviolent anti-war activists -- and tasing IS sometimes deadly.

Are Code Pinkers known to be on the 'wrong' side of the immigration issue? Is the crowd that likes the idea of imprisoning undocumented visitors from south of the border weighing in with the "yes" votes?

How are we to understand these results? Sad.

[Quantess]

61. My first reaction to this poll was "is this a joke?"

Especially since I had just seen the poll whether smoking should be completely banned.
I wonder if some DUers are saying yes just to be silly or mildly trollish because they don't see it as being completely serious?

I mean, what sincere DUer honestly thinks that protesters should be tazed?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

64. I can't imagine who would honestly feel that way...

...especially after you see someone get tazed -- it's a form of torture.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. 33 have voted yes so far

That makes my brain hurt.

[Basileus Basileon]

68. I voted yes,

simply to register my opinion that:

1. This poll is ridiculous.
2. This poll is flamebait, and it's funny to see flamebait backfire
3. Code Pink is irritating and unhelpful, and it's especially funny to see a flamebait support of them backfire.

I would not actually support tasing Code Pink, and I'm sure most Yes-voters would agree.

[cboy4]

88. I think that the people voting yes believe deep in their

hearts that the Code Pink members should be tasered.

There are a lot of nuts on this site.

[Basileus Basileon]

107. And do you believe that the people voting so

truly believe that Fox News reporters and anchors should be tasered? How bloodthirsty.

[Basileus Basileon]

69. I also support tasing dupe posts. nt

[The Straight Story]

70. I thought you said 'Tasting' and I was gonna vote yes

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. Best reply I have seen in days!

It's a DUZY!! :applause:

[NorthernSpy]

97. I keep reading it as "tasting code pinkers" too!

:yoiks:

[quinnox]

72. If it stops them from exposing

their aging breasts, then hell yea! (said with some sarcasm)

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. You're thinking of the Breasts Not Bombs ladies

[alfredo]

73. Only if it is between consenting adults.

[earth mom]

74. WTF! Have the freepers arrived en masse to vote 28%?! Maybe we should tase them!

:puke:

[0rganism]

75. Amazing. 29% voting to electrocute vocal peace activists at DU

I never thought I'd see the day.

Maybe Fox is more "Fair and Balanced" than I gave them credit for, if they can tap into the authoritarian leanings of Democrats as well as Republicans. Gotta hand it to Kilmead, he sure found a soft spot in the American psyche. :shrug:

[OzarkDem]

76. Male chauvinism as well as GOP lurkers

are alive and well on the DU.

[City Lights]

77. Absolutely right.

:-(

[Basileus Basileon]

81. See post #68 and #50

[Milo_Bloom]

79. 28% want to SHOOT Code Pinkers???

28% think it is okay to TASER someone for civil disobedience????

This isn't mace or capstun which can be washed out, this is a freaking jolt of electricity which can potentially kill someone.


A taser should only be used in situations where a GUN would otherwise be used, so essentially 28% of the people on this board think it is just okay to shoot someone for acts of civil disobedience.

[Toucano]

82. If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down?

We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.
- Jack Handy

[Dukkha]

83. 27% should be shown the door here

obviously freetard lurkers and a couple of centrist RW sympathizers :mad:

[Didereaux]

84. Hell, SHOOT THEM! kill the last vestiges of American backbone n/t

[whoneedstickets]

86. Only the Male ones....

..any guy willing to wear that pink get-up deserves a little jolt to remind him where his manhood is.

[cboy4]

87. OMFG. Look at the number of people voting that these

Code Pink members should be tasered. :puke:

On edit: Why would anyone vote "yes" if they think the Code Pink members should not be tasered? There are quite a few nuts on this site, so this is not a ridiculous poll. I'm curious how many people don't have a problem with tasering these peace advocates.

[Bluebear]

90. Words fail me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. My brain hurts

[wicket]

100. You and me both, Bluebear

[NorthernSpy]

102. you're surprised DU has ~42 rightwing trolls?

C'mon. We attract those people like a picnic draws ants.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

111. Some people like to be antagonist

Some are less likely to express their ugly side via words (sadly not all are), but an anonymous poll is a perfect place to show off their jerkdom.

[JVS]

89. No. I like Code Pinkers.

[Solly Mack]

108. Sick sick

No

[Generator]

109. Yes of course, that followed by

rendition. Domestic terrorists-zero tolerance policy. America doesn't need free speech that interrupts the business of our leaders. (JEEZ I'm scary I could write for THEM-I know how they think)

[Trillo]

112. What was that about "cruel and unusual" punishments ?

Pain compliance should be outlawed as unconstitutional.

[KansDem]

113. No, but I am in favor of coding pink tasers! (nt)

[undercutter2006]

115. could be a couple of things

the article talks about code pink members heckling hillary
some hillary supporters might be unhappy

also, there is this picture under the poll

may be people think if you somehow sneak up on the secretary of state and start waving hands in her face (whatever your reason is, noble or not) you should be tasered as a matter of rudimentary security?

[Flabbergasted]

120. I don't know why but I read "tasting" instead of tasing.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

122. I'm not in favor of tasering anyone, really.

Unless it is absolutely necessary. I think tasers should be used keeping in mind that death could result. If you cannot defend death as a possible outcome, then tasers shouldn't be used.

[Mutineer]

123. You mean no one has tasered them yet?

See, American is still a free society after all!

[Perry Logan]

124. Tempting though it is with Fox reporters, it keeps killing people.