I hate hunting, but not the hunters.

[MoonRiver]

nuff said

[LiberalFighter]

1. I'm not a hunter don't mind the hunting.

Hate the insane hunting.

There is a need for hunting. To maintain the balance. Unfortunately, it is getting more difficult to maintain it with the number of hunters dwindling.

[MoonRiver]

2. Most don't hunt for survival. They hunt just for sport.

That's what I hate, recreational killing. But I know this is a huge cultural issue, and many people I respect and love do it.

[eShirl]

3. you mean most don't eat what they kill?

They hunt for the pure pleasure, the "sport" of it? I didn't realize most hunters were like Cheney.

[MoonRiver]

6. Of course they eat it, but they don't NEED to eat it.

It's a cultural, dare I say macho, thing. Starvation is definitely not the issue.

[Township75]

7. what are they supposed to eat then? Carrots?

Some people include meat in their diet, so why not do the more humane thing and hunt for your meat as opposed to buying at the store (aka corporate meat)?

[MoonRiver]

8. A lot of people around the globe don't eat meat and are perfectly healthy.

One can also buy organic meat.

The bottom line is that hunting is a blood sport. I hate it.

[Township75]

11. Good for them, but plenty don't

and FYI, hunting is FREE RANGE ORGANIC MEAT! How much more free range can it get? I would like to hear your explanation. If buying organic is OK with you, then certainly hunting is.

Are you someone who hates hunting, but wolfs down meat purchased from a grocery store that comes from animals raised under cruel conditions, feed all day, sitting in their own waste and doesn't give it a thought? Those are the most cruel people of all :( We should all be grateful that there are some good people, hunters, that take animals that have lead a free roaming life.

"The bottom line is that hunting is a blood sport. I hate it."
That is the bottom line...you just don't like it. Stop the other BS.

[MoonRiver]

13. OK. Here's another bottom line.

Hunting is NOT a fair sport. Deer and other animals we humans covet do not have a chance. It has nothing to do with survival of the fittest., because our mechanical weapons always trump our prey's ability to outwit/outrun/outwhatever us.

Humans have wiped out entire species time after time to satisfy our greed (that's right GREED, not survival), and/or ego desires. "Normal" predators, such as wolves, just act on instinct to feed themselves and live. We're different. We just like to kill for the "fun" of it.

[PeaceNikki]

18. Are you a vegan?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. That's a bit like saying...

mountain climbing isn't a fair sport because the mountain doesn't stand a good chance of climbing the climber.

Not sure what you're talking about with wiping out species either. That's not an issue.

Furthermore, there are plenty of animals that kill for fun.

[Ghost in the Machine]

23. Here's the ONLY bottom line....

**YOU** hate hunting. PERIOD. And you have taken it upon your self to crusade against it, no matter *how* ill-informed you are.

Come to my neck of the woods and tell some of these families that subsist on deer, rabbit, squirrel, dove, goose, turkey and even fish how much they don't NEED to depend on that meat to survive. Tell that to the family of 6 living on a $900/mo or less disability check... hey, and you know what? A deer roast in my freezer would have been a better dinner tonight than the tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches that we had.

You never answered the question that was asked of you, either. Do you eat meat?? Do you think cows, hogs and chickens raised in pens/fences have any fairer chance? Do you *honestly* think they die a more humane death? Check into the ways livestock is slaughtered and get back to me, ok?

Life isn't all about *you* and what *you* like or dislike...

[Critters2]

27. It's not organic.

In areas with GMO crops, the deer are eating those.

[PeaceNikki]

16. "One can also buy organic meat."

Really? That's what you offer as an alternative?

It doesn't really get any more "organic" than a hunter eating his meat.

[bbinacan]

4. I personally have no desire to hunt

but have no problem with hunting. The hunters I know eat what they kill. Besides, herds need to be thinned out. Especially deer.

[ThePowerofWill]

5. Gotta have hunters.

That or a whole buncha wolves, and or pumas to thin out the deer. Deer are insanely thick where i live. We have twice the people we had 30yrs ago, and 5x's the deer!

[MoonRiver]

9. I choose wolves and pumas.

I think they know what they're doing a lot better than humans.

[Critters2]

28. Hear, hear.

Besides, in areas where natural predators have been reintroduced, herd sizes decline. In areas where deer are "managed" for the hunters, deer populations continue to increase.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

10. If it weren't for hunting, deer would be darned near extinct....

There is conservation in Hunting. I don't agree with the hunters who just kill and leave the carcass, but if they take it and eat it or better yet, donate the meat to a poor family, then I'm all for it. There are limits on how many can be killed, and the game wardens make sure people are doing shit they are supposed to. People don't understand that there is a circle of life, and a food chain for a reason.
It's people like that who took the wolves out of Yellowstone for just doing their job...
Duckie

[MikeDuffy]

15. If it weren't for humans, many species would be darned near extinct....

Case closed!

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. I don't understand how anyone could shoot an animal unless it was attacking.

Maybe if I were starving, but even then I would try to find other food sources first.

[MoonRiver]

14. I don't understand it either.

And it is so painful to think of those innocent beings being slaughtered for "fun." :cry:

[qdemn7]

19. Oh spare me....

Do you wear shoes? Are they leather? That leather didn't grow on a tree, it came off the back of a cow in a slaughterhouse.

Do you take ANY medicines? You use any shampoos, soaps, cosmetics? All of these things can contain "animal by products", That's a euphemism for animal guts, beaks, bones, exoskeletons.

[PeaceNikki]

21. "Organic meat" doesn't die of old age, either.

If everyone hunted their meat it would likely mean:
A) Factory farms/corporations don't reap the benefit
B) Big pharma loses their slice of the pie
C) People would probably eat LESS meat

[Skittles]

22. you don't get it

it's the idea that some people find killing a SWELL, FUN THING TO DO that is totally SICKENING and all your stupid excuses do NOT explain that simple fact

[PeaceNikki]

25. I think the point was that anyone who uses any products with animal

benefits from the killing of animals. They just have other people do the dirty work.

If one is a vegan and is fundamentally against it all that's one thing. However, if one wears leather or makeup or eats meat, they are essentially giving a stamp of approval on the killing of animals and find it "swell".

[Skittles]

29. but to ENJOY KILLING

it's sick

[PeaceNikki]

31. I sorta get where you're coming from BUT...

anyone who is non-vegan by choice really ought to support the hunt.

It takes business away from factory farming including big pharma and their antibotic/steroid shit. It helps the environment. It feeds the hungry.

I know hunters. I am good friends with hunters. I work with hunters.

They enjoy the chase and they make very good use of the meat or they donate to the needy. I know none that get some sick orgasm because of the blood shed.

[Skittles]

36. they enjoy the chase

:puke:

[qdemn7]

33. So is fishing sick?

People love to fish, there are more fisherman than hunters.

[Skittles]

35. honestly

I have never understood how people find catching live things from the end of a hook "relaxing"

[qdemn7]

37. Well....

You're in the outdoors, experiencing nature close up, the sights, the smells, the feelings. You're away from other people if you choose. It's sort of like meditation, how can that not be relaxing?

It's simultaneously exciting, it's man against nature, if you win you get a nice tasty fish, IF you choose to keep and eat it. Lots of fisherman catch and release. I personally like venison, but I prefer fish better than wild game.

[Skittles]

38. a bf a long time ago took me fishing

I found it totally disgusting and boring.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Well if we didn't destroy the rain forests we could probably find all the cures we would

ever need for what ever ails us. And we could plant acres and acres of hemp for clothing and a whole host of other products. We don't have to kill animals or use them for medical research to survive. So spare me.

[qdemn7]

34. Bullshit!

Most surgical procedures have been developed using animals. I have no problem you objecting to animal research.

But I bet you don't refuse medical treatment if you need it, do you? :sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. That sounds familiar.

Where have I heard that sort of argument before?

[Skittles]

24. GAYS!!!!

hate the sin but LOVE THE SINNER! :rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. That's it.

They should open some kind of camp that will convert hunters into vegans.

[Dr. Strange]

32. There IS a camp like that...

but it turns hunters into gays.