Did the Iran-Contra Weapons That Reagan Officials Shipped Help Iran Blueprint Today's Weapons?

[CorpGovActivist]

Earlier this week, President Bush implied that *whether or not* the highest levels of the Iranian Government are complicit in the shipment of arms into Iraq, he would hold them responsible.

Leaving aside the fact that - by that standard - the international community could have held Reagan responsible for the "rogue" actions of high-ranking members of his Administration during the Iran-Contra Affair, it is worth asking whether or not the weapons shipments made to Iran during the 80's helped Iranian scientists (rogue or otherwise) to blueprint the weapons that are allegedly crossing into Iraq today:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair#Arms_transaction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW

Tube-launched, Optically-tracked, Wire command link guided anti-tank missiles contain technologies that can be reverse engineered - especially if Ollie and Co. threw in the instruction manuals.

Want to really make this Administration - and the Kennebunkport Krew - sweat?

Hold hearings into if (and how) the current transhipments of weapons into Iraq can be traced back to technologies that were handed to the Iranians on a silver platter, and call former President Bush as a witness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair#Persons_involved_pardoned_and_reinstated

- Dave

[conscious evolution]

1. What's that word for supplying weapons to your stated enemies?

Oh yeah! I rememder now.
The word is treason!

[CorpGovActivist]

2. I Want to See Poppy...

... asked whether he believes that his pardons covered up arms sales that are helping kill our brave men and women today.

- Dave

[conscious evolution]

3. That would be a sight to behold

I wonder how he would try to explain that away.
As far as I am concerned anyone involved in that whole sordid affair should be charged with treason.They put money and idealogy ahead of the good of our country by dealing with the people they would have us believe are our mortal enemies.

How mny deaths of our troops and of innocent people they are responsible for is a question I would definitely like to know the answer to.
What I really would like is to see them held accountable for their crimes.

[CorpGovActivist]

4. Waxman Could Summon the Treasury Secretary...

... to get the ball rolling under these programs:

http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/iran/iran.shtml

- Dave

[conscious evolution]

5. IThey must have traded stinger AA systems for

for aircraft safety: http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/iran/int_guide/ia051303.pdf
Thanks for the link.

[sattahipdeep]

8. You have given this photo a rating of?

[conscious evolution]

9. Never seen that photo.

Where when why?
If he is in a witness chair it would get a high rating!

[blm]

16. TREASON - and there should be no pardons allowed for TREASON. And the continuing

coverup of all the outstanding matters of those crimes involves Democratic administrations now. And I fully expect the groundwork for the next coverup Democratic administration is in the works.

And we're told we have to go along with the continuing coverups for BushInc.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[mopinko]

6. let's blow the doors off of all the executive secrets

it's a big job, but somebody has to do it. we will not be a real democracy again until we do.

[sam sarrha]

7. isnt is strange how casey had his memory cut out and Reagan got a Lobotomy..er a.. Alzhimers. and ..

so many showed up dead except for Olley and W and rest of the present white house cabnet .???

[Jeanette in FL]

10. Your idea will make a great LTTE

Reminding the public of the Iran Contra Affair and the players. Asking the question, will make others question the activities of these crooks.

[CorpGovActivist]

12. I'd Like to See a White House Correspondent...

... ask Tony Snow to declare that no tech transfered during Iran-Contra helped engineer these weapons.

- Dave

[sattahipdeep]

11. The Real Lords of the Poppy Fields

http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm

Sibel Edmonds

"She’s credible and the reason I feel she’s very credible is because
people within the FBI have corroborated a lot of her story," says Grassley.
She’s told her whole story in a private session of Grassley’s committee and
the senator believes it’s time to change things.

Sibel Edmonds 60 Minutes

"Information was omitted and covered up
regarding documented and confirmed case of a
long-term FBI Informant and Asset who provided
the FBI with specific information and warnings in
April and June regarding the 9/11 terrorist attacks."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/10/60minutes/main562685.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories

[CorpGovActivist]

13. Iran Reverse Engineered the TOW Missiles They Received in the Iran-Contra Deal

Iran's variant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toophan

"Iran has reverse engineered and currently manufactures duplicate TOW missiles. These carry the Iranian designation of Toophan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Equipment_of_the_Iranian_Army

- Dave

[DemReadingDU]

14. morning kick

[leveymg]

15. Iran already had TOWs, but had depleted their stockpiles during the war with Iraq

http://www.irvl.net/USMI.htm

Iran under the Shah was America’s number one arms customer, accounting for $18.1 billion or 25 per cent of the $71 billion in military orders placed by foreign governments under the Foreign Military Sales program between FY 1950 and FY 1977. Recent sales included 141 Northrop F-SE jet fighters, 160 Hughes TOW missiles. During a May 1972 visit to Iran by the then President Nixon, the Shah was given a virtual carte blanche to purchase anything in the US arsenal except nuclear weapons. Subsequent Iranian purchases reflected the Shah’s ambition to recreate ‘the Great Persian Empire of the Past’, as well as the Nixon-Kissinger policy of relying on ‘friendly’ Third World powers to maintain regional stability in strategic areas. Iranian military purchases rose from $519 million in FY 1972 to a record high for any country of $5.8 billion in FY 1977.

Since his 1972 meeting with Nixon, the Shah consistently sought America’s most advanced and sophisticated weapons. Among his recent purchases are seven Boeing E-3A AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) radar patrol planes, a system so sophisticated that CIA director Admiral Stansfield Turner originally testified against its sale on the grounds that US security would be gravely threatened if it fell into the wrong hands. Other advanced arms sold to the Iranians include the Grumman F-14 Tomcat swing-wing jet fighter, the McDonnell-Douglas Harpoon anti-ship missile, the Lockheed P-3C Orion ocean surveillance plane, and the Spruance-class heavy destroyer. Besides these potent arms, the United States also endowed Iran with the capacity to conduct warfare far from its borders. Recent deliveries have included, for instance, twelve Lockheed C-130 Hercules troop-transport planes, thirteen Boeing 707-320L tanker aircraft, 142 McDonnell-Douglas F-4E Phantom deep-strike fighter-bombers and three Tang-class submarines (which cannot even operate in the shallow Persian Gulf). These deliveries have provided Iran with a formidable military arsenal, capable of sustaining conflict at very high levels of violence and at sites far distant from Iranian territorV,<3>

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. So it's Reagan's fault, not Clintons.

They gave weapons to Bin Laden to fight the Russian attempted occupation in Afghanistan too.

If you arm the world, they might possibly turn those weapons against you when you manage to piss them off.