Something that even I didn't know about Bush's grandfather and the Nazis.

[TheWraith]

Okay. Most people here probably know that the Shrub's grandfather ran the US operations of a bank that was created and funded by the primary financier of Adolf Hitler's rise to power, a bank that was siezed by the US government in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act. You may know that that bank also had a fairly prominent Nazi on its board, and another board member who was the Nazi Party's official New York banker.

You may also know that BBC research has suggested that Prescott Bush may have been involved in the "Business Plot" to overthrow FDR in the early-mid '30s and replace him with a fascist government.

Something that you probably DON'T know--and I didn't myself--is that Prescott Bush was also at one point the director of the Hamburg America Line, a German-owned shipping company which during his directorship came under government investigation for possible Nazi propaganda activities.

Does it ever stop with this guy? How in hell did he manage to move to Connecticut and win a Senate seat? I'm not the type to hold people accountable for what their parents did, but if there were full justice in the world, W and his father would never have been elected, because nobody in their right mind would vote for someone who's grandfather or father should have been hanged for collaborating with the Nazis.

Edited to clarify that he was not actually hanged, I was saying that he would have been if there were a full and just accounting.

[AndyA]

1. The Bush Crime Family has done a lot against the United States of America

over the years. Dubya is just the latest travesty to be inflicted upon our great country.

I hope after Dubya, someone with the name Bush never holds another top government job. Ever.

[leveymg]

44. Hamburg-America was also listed by the FBI as a primary conduit for German Intelligence

Think about the implications of that, in the context of what's come out about Prescott being the "key liaison" between the FDR coup plotters and the Nazis.

http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/2006/12/wapo-as-ive-mentioned-previously-today.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0612/S00194.htm

After Pearl Harbor, Sullivan & Cromwell (the Dulles Bros. law firm) unsuccessfully defended American I.G., the U.S. holding of I.G. Farben, from seizure by the federal Enemy Alien Property Custodian. Another S&C client at the time was the Silesian-American Corporation, for years managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, until November 17, 1942, when its assets belonging to Nazi Germany were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The Hamburg-America Line, on whose board Bush also sat, was seized as a Nazi company. The Hamburg-America Line, on whose board Bush also sat, was seized as a Nazi company. Indeed, the steamer line had long been one of the principal conveyances by which the German Abwehr intelligence service moved agents into the United States, and transported stolen military technology back to the Fatherland.

Riding on the coattails of Brown Brothers Harriman, the Rockefeller brothers, and the Dulles brothers, whose interests they had served on various boards, neither Prescott Bush nor George Herbert Walker were ever held personally or politically accountable for their roles in financing and directing Nazi-controlled enterprises.

[loudsue]

50. "The Rockefeller brothers" ..... and David Rockefeller is STILL a nazi

and is STILL rocking along undermining this country. We even have a Rockefeller in the damned Senate, posing as a Dem.

[aquart]

2. Wasn't he heavily connected with Brown Brothers Harriman?

[madokie]

5. these guys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Brothers_Harriman_&_Co.

[TheWraith]

14. Yes, extremely. One of the Harrimans was the 99.8% shareholder in that bank...

3991 shares out of 4000 total. And Prescott managed his shares for him.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. HANGED for collaboration??!

Or just "Shoulda been?"

[noamnety]

13. It was a hypothetical.

if there were full justice in the world, W and his father would never have been elected, because nobody in their right mind would vote for someone who's grandfather or father was hanged for collaborating with the Nazis.

Some editing to make it more clear:

if there were full justice in the world, Prescott would have been hanged for collaborating with the Nazis, and then W and his father would never have been elected.

[louis-t]

4. I've never heard he was hanged.

Is this true?

[madokie]

7. shoulda been I think

if he had then we wouldn't have to worry about the bfee today

[shain from kane]

8. Lenin said that the capitalist would sell the rope to hang him.

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

[TheWraith]

15. I was saying he would have been, if there had been full accountability. NT

[Ian David]

6. I think Prime Minister Merkel should name a German warship after Prescott Bush.

As a sort of back-handed "favor" to George.

Especially after he tried to grope her.

[Bucky]

10. I'm not sure they go about celebrating their Nazi heritage much these days.

I could be wrong, but the impression I get from Germans I meet is they're not very proud of that association.

[Ian David]

18. Only 25% of Germans approve of it. Same as Bush's base.

However, it wouldn't REALLY be a celebration of Nazi-ism to name a boat after Prescott Bush, would it?

I think they should do it, so that it could be debated in the global forum of public opinion.

It's a sort of "conversation starter."

[DCKit]

20. Ya just HAD to bring the creepiest thing ever caught on camera up, didn't ya? n/t

[melody]

9. He was there for the same reason JFK was murdered ... powerful people trying to cripple our country

Our enemies have never stopped -- not for hundreds of years. The Bush family is just the latest (and most effective) weapon.

[eShirl]

11. his father-inlaw may have gotten Prescott the gig (Hamburg America)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker

"In 1920, Walker became the President of the W.A. Harriman & Co. investment firm, and quickly arranged the credits that Averell Harriman needed to take control of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. Walker also organized the American Ship and Commerce Corp. to be subsidiary of the W.A. Harriman & Co., with contractual power over the affairs of the Hamburg-Amerika. W.A. Harriman & Co., well-positioned for this enterprise and rich in assets from their German and Russian business, merged with the British-American investment house Brown Bros. & Co. on January 1, 1931. Walker retired to his own G.H. Walker & Co. This left the Harriman brothers, his son-in-law Prescott Bush and Thatcher M. Brown as senior partners of the new firm of Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. (The London, England based branch continued operating under its historic name Brown, Shipley & Co.) Walker was a director of the W.A. Harriman & Company; Harriman Fifteen, American International Corporation; Georgian Manganese Corporation; Barnsdall Corporation; American Ship & Commerce Corporation; Union Banking Corporation; G.H. Walker & Company; Missouri Pacific Railroad; Laclede Gas and the New Orleans, Texas and Mexico Railroad."

Tangley, ain't it?

[leveymg]

46. The role of the Walkers , Bert and G.H, and their strong ties to Germany, is Not discussed enough

G.H. Walker apparently even lived and worked in Berlin, establishing Harriman's German banking operations during the period the Nazi Party was first emerging, and then sharing these duties with Prescott after the Nazis took power as the bank's business in the U.S. grew during the 1930s. Along with the Rockefeller-owned Republic Bank, The Union Banking Corp. was the Nazi regime's largest investment vehicle in the United States.

http://www.romm.org/prescott.html

Were Bush's great-grandfather and grandfather Nazis?
By David E Romm
with apologies to Cecil Adams


While there are no recorded incidents of them goose stepping or giving the "Heil Hitler" salute, the short answer to the question is yes. Both Bush's grandfather's palled around with sympathizers to the Nazi cause, with George Herbert Walker the worse of the two and grandfather Prescott Bush even worse as he dealt with Nazi Germany before and during WWII.

SNIP

George Herbert Walker married off his daughter to Prescott Bush. It was a good arrangement for both: Prescott married into money and financial connections; the Walkers rose in society and power. A standard trade-off. George Herbert Walker isn't listed as a member of the Skull and Bones Society at Yale, but future son-in-law Prescott is, and the son and grandson named after him are, as are the Bush's who were his grandson and great-grandson. Aside: The Skull and Bones Society itself has been the subject of much speculation especially about the Bushes, and the real story is as interesting, but an entirely different column.

In 1919, Missouri deal-maker Bert Walker became the president and CEO of the W.A. Harriman and co. bank, which became one of the largest companies in the world. In 1922, the Harriman company set up a branch in Berlin under the residency of George H. Walker. In 1924, the Harriman company spun off the Union Banking Corporation , also run by Bert. The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler." An article called Nazis In The Attic states boldly, "Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States." and gives other details.

[AntiFascist]

12. Even worse than trading with the enemy...

wasn't Prescott Bush directly involved in the funding of Hitler's campaign when he ran for the Chencellorship?

[TheWraith]

17. Not to my knowledge. You may be thinking of Fritz Thyssen...

Thyssen was called "Hitler's Angel" for being one of the major financiers of the Nazis and Hitler's rise to power, until 1938. Prescott Bush managed the bank that Thyssen owned through its German parent.

[AlertLurker]

28. Prescott did Thyssen's "dirty laundry" in the US through his UBC bank...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

"While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

[AntiFascist]

29. Bush was intimately involved with a number of Thyssen companies...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

...

Bush was also on the board of at least one of the companies that formed part of a multinational network of front companies to allow Thyssen to move assets around the world.

...

The first set of files, the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.

...

The bank <UBC> was set up by Harriman and Bush's father-in-law to provide a US bank for the Thyssens, Germany's most powerful industrial family.

...

The trouble started on July 30 1942 when the New York Herald-Tribune ran an article entitled "Hitler's Angel Has $3m in US Bank". UBC's huge gold purchases had raised suspicions that the bank was in fact a "secret nest egg" hidden in New York for Thyssen and other Nazi bigwigs. The Alien Property Commission (APC) launched an investigation...Walker and Bush did more than own these companies on paper.

...

[zorahopkins]

16. The Entire Bush Family Is Corrupt

I have long suspected that the entire Bush family is corrupt and evil.

I know that the family is rich, rich, rich.

I just wonder how much of their money came from the Nazis -- or from poor people who would pay to escape the Nazis.

[izquierdista]

19. Had Prescott been tried and convicted

He would have never been elected dog catcher. Which means that George Stupid Wanker would have had to take his Yale degree and go chase ambulances, which means that his dipshit son never would have been bailed out of jail and would be pressing license plates today.

[Old and In the Way]

21. Richard Nixon was Prescott's protege.....

and, of course, Dick got George HW Bush into the government as a UN Ambassador. Amazing how corruption goes, generation to generation.

[AntiFascist]

30. During Nixon's run for president in 1960 he got right to work on the fascist agenda...

secretly planning Operation 40 to invade Cuba on behalf of corporatist (and mafia) interests.

[Initech]

36. Exactly why I think Bush Sr. was involved in the JFK assassination.

Kennedy fucked up his plans to invade Cuba and publicly embarrassed the CIA. Bush wanted revenge.

[AntiFascist]

39. Kennedy was also going to...

end the Viet Nam War early, break up the CIA altogether, and negotiate long-lasting peace with the Soviets. The Military-Industrial-Complex would have been doomed. The ruling elite may also have felt that Kennedy was out of control for other reasons.

[Initech]

41. Exactly.

I dont think Johnson was involved at all. It didnt matter who became president after JFK as long as he was out of the picture.

[AntiFascist]

52. I really believe that the drama surrounding the assassination was intended....

as a signal to the Democrats. LBJ was following 2 cars behind Kennedy, and he may have seen the "umbrella man" unfolding the umbrella and the guy next to him signalling just as Kennedy was being shot. He may have known immediately that this was about Kennedy being too much like Neville Chamberlain, and later as president escalated the Viet Nam war telling an aid they weren't going to "make a Chamberlain umbrella man" out of him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/02/19_umbrella.html

Even to this day, Democrats are still kowtowing to the all powerful war mongers.

[AntiFascist]

54. It's not clear how involved LBJ was...

E. Howard Hunt, even in his deathbed confessions, seems to want to point the finger at the Democrat, but does he mention mafia involvement? Take a look at this:

http://www.crimemagazine.com/03/richardnixon,1014.htm

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Wanna bet the MAJORITY of people in this country know NOTHING about the BFEE Nazi connection?

I say , maybe, 1% of the people know about it. It's PATHETIC how our MSM has turned on the people. This info should have been reported when Poppy Bush ran for Prez. Not-A-Peep about it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nazis have infiltrated the MSM and that is why we get unending PROPAGANDA.

[ConfidentialStatus]

38. We are being played like idiots

And I agree with your assessment. You can google Operation Mockingbird...

[Dems Will Win]

23. A Dutch INtelligence Agent Claimed he had documents showing Prescott to be the "Manager" (CEO) of

The Thyssen Coal and Steel Plants that were manned by slave labor from Auschvitz concentration/death camp.

[BornagainDUer]

33. Do you by any chance remember that agents name or other info I could track this with?

[kestrel91316]

24. Indeed. Two Bush presidencies makes me seriously question the

premise that the Nazis "lost" WWII.

You don't have to be a German to be a Nazi, IMHO.

[lpbk2713]

25. As long as we're talking about the corrupt Bush family and WWII ....

has there ever been a plausible explanation on how Bush 41 ditched his Navy plane in the Pacific? To be specific, how is it possible his two crew members died and 41 survived almost without a scratch? Seems like if he was the pilot and in the front of the plane he would have been banged up more than the others behind him. I guess if he was the only one to live and tell the story they would have to take his word for it. :shrug:

[TheWraith]

35. I wouldn't go there.

There's all sorts of reasons why a pilot might survive an incident that his co-fliers didn't. Going beyond the facts leads to nothing but speculation and rumor-mongering. There's never been any real evidence that GHWB did anything nearly as bad as his father or his son did, so unless people have something solid, I'd just as soon not enter the realm of spreading smears about somebody's military service.

[Name removed]

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[leftofthedial]

27. how is it that this tainted line of inbred degenerates

was ever allowed to procreate?

[PDJane]

31. Prescott Bush was involved with Theissen

Money laundering schemes until, if I recall, sometime in the fifties. The Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart was found to be involved with the Silesian American Corporation. The Dutch government began asking the bank manager H.J. Kounhoven a lot of questions. Kouwenhoven was shocked at the discovery and soon traveled to New York to inform Prescott Bush. According to Dutch intelligence, Kouwenhoven met with Prescott soon after Christmas, 1947. Two weeks later, Kouwenhoven apparently died of a heart attack.

Fritz Theissen, one of the main characters in this particular drama, was involved with Auschwitz and several other work camps. Prescott Bush helped to finance the building of Auschwitz and visited there at least twice. Theissen was one of the people who helped Hitler's rise to power, and Prescott Bush assisted with funding.

This is a very nasty bunch, and they play rough.

[fascisthunter]

32. Path of Least Resistance.... Cowardice

Because America, It's Political Leadership and Media have been sweeping the uncomfortable truths under the rug for many years. It's why we are in the mess we see today.

[Hydra]

34. The list of people who made money by consorting with the people killing our soldiers

is disturbing, to say the least.

Worse in my mind is how we tar and feather anything else that is remotely deemed Nazish while we grandiosely ignore the major players here in the US that make some of the other Nazis look like saints.

[Initech]

40. Two major differences between us and the Nazis

1. Hitler was elected. Bush wasn't.

2. We have Blackwater. Blackwater makes the Nazi gestapo look like your regular, every day army by comparison.

[TheWraith]

42. Not to nitpick, but...

The "election" that put Hitler in power was about as crooked as you could possibly get, to the point where it can't even really be called an election.

It's also an overstatement to say that Blackwater is more powerful than the Gestapo. Normally I don't like to make Nazi analogies, but the two would share about equal legal invulnerability, with the obvious difference that Blackwater doesn't operate the same way in the US as it does in Iraq.

[SDuderstadt]

48. Setting the record straight

Hitler was never elected to any governmental office. Have you ever referred to our form of government as a democracy, only to be "corrected" by some RWer claiming that, "No, we are a republic!" (which shows you how little they know, inasmuch as a democratic republic or constitutional republic such as ours IS a type of democracy, it's just not a direct democracy. To argue differently is like arguing that indirect lighting is not lighting)?

In order to bolster their argument that democracy is dangerous and to justify their anti-democratic ways, many RWers will point to Hitler's election as Chancellor as proof (in addition to totally misclassifying him as left rather than admit he was a far RWer based upon the term "national socialist" which was merely a misnomer). In doing so, they reveal themselves to be as poor students of history as they are students of political ideology.

In the only governmental office election in which Hitler DID run (in April of 1932), he was defeated for President by the incumbent, Von Hindenburg 53% to 36%.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/runs.htm

RWers then further display their ignorance by claiming that Hitler was elected Chancellor, which is also a lie. On January 29th, 1933, Von Hindenburg, fearing a military coup, APPOINTED Hitler Chancellor of Germany. Contrary to RW claims that democracy brought Hitler to power, it was, in fact, the lack of a strong German democracy that allowed Hitler to ascend. The rest, as they say, is history.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/collapse.htm

[VOX]

55. RWers even further display ignorance by claiming Nazism was "liberal"...

All they fix on is "National Socialist" and shout, "socialists! liberals!" They try to back their position by stating that the Third Reich forbade private ownership of firearms.

You can argue until your face turns a deep shade of ultramarine about how "un-liberal" Nazi core concepts are, such as ethnic nationalism, racism, eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to political liberalism, and so on, but all to no avail.

(Read the discussion page under the heading "Nazism" on Wikipedia; this subject is still very hot.)

I just googled the terms "nazi," "socialist" and "liberal," and immediately found some nut-job's blog filled with rants about "left-wing wacko-socialist-commie-nazi liberal-demokkkRATs."

[SDuderstadt]

56. And, as we know...

the Third Reich did NOT ban the private ownership of guns, nor did they go around confiscating them. Those are also RW lies.

[Initech]

37. The Bush Family is inherently anti-American.

They are crazy, and it all started with W's grandfather. Nazi asshole.

[lovuian]

53. Very Fascist

Secret Society members

[abq e streeter]

43. I'm in the midst of reading Dynasty;Aristocracy, Fortune, and the

Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, by Kevin Phillips...I'm only about a third of the way through it, but already recommend it...It really is truly amazing what millions of supposedly intelligent(?) Americans will fall for...

[trashcanistanista]

57. I'm reading "American Theocracy" also

by Kevin Phillips. He lays a lot of this out in terms of oil barons and ties into it the Prscott Bush/Nazi connections. I can't get over how he writes so matter of factly about the lies of the Bushies over the years as if it were common knowledge! I also recommend it.

[southerncrone]

45. I recall reading somewhere a few years back that Gramps was

also involved in opium smuggling from the Orient. This bunch has been cozy with China for generations.

Not to mention heavily involved in banking (housing market collapse--who's making $ off that?!)

www.konformist.com/2002/bush-royals.htm


edited to add link

[SpiralHawk]

47. "drugs and republicons? Smirk, smirk, smirk" - Rush "Ass Pimple Draft Dodger" Limbaugh

[Echo In Light]

49. If it's info outside of the mainstream, it isn't "reality" for brainwashed America

[rucky]

51. The Bushies gots the Genocide Gene. n/t

[katty]

58. I have, as many, known this for over a decade-this "family"

is just full of nasty surprises-practically a century old