Connecting the dots on the NIE.

[Ravy]

Not a single pundit that I have seen on TV believes Bush did not know for months that the intelligence community believed Iran had stopped its nuclear weapons program.

They find it incredulous that Bush was told there was new information, but did not ask what it was.

I find it incredulous that they themselves are not questioning *why* he was hyping intelligence he a) knew was not true, and b) was going to be publicly released.

So, I am left here wondering on my own, why two oil men, Bush and Cheney, would rattle their sabers so much that the price of oil would now contain a $30/barrel "risk" surcharge when they privately knew there was no risk...

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Is it "bush exhaustion" that allows the bastard to attempt to incite

another preemptive war based on AIPAC data & get away after he's been caught red handed?

[Ravy]

2. I don't think he really wants that war...

I believe he wanted his buddies to steal more at the pumps.

[rodeodance]

3. and many have said there is deafening silence from the Repugs

[leveymg]

4. Oil was less than $25/barrel when Bush-Cheney, the "oil men", took power in 2000.

Doubled to $50 after the invasion of Iraq. You make a very good point.

Look at what's happened to the price of crude oil on the spot market - down from 94 to 88 last five trading days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=edit&forum=389&topic_id=2406926&mesg_id=2407027

Gasoline prices could fall as crude oil wavers

Dollars per barrel, five trading days
By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
The price of oil — within winking distance of $100 a barrel last week — has fallen and can't get up.
Futures prices for light, sweet crude hovered around $88 a barrel Tuesday.

If prices continue at less than $90, gasoline retailers could afford to pass along the past week's 20-cent drop in their wholesale prices. Gasoline is made from oil. The price of oil accounts for roughly two-thirds the price of gasoline, the latest government data say.

"At high-volume places, you'll see 20 cents in a week or so. Other places, it might not be until after Christmas," says Peter Beutel, veteran analyst at energy consultant Cameron Hanover.

The U.S. average is $3.061 for a gallon of regular gasoline, the U.S. Energy Information Administration reported Monday. That's down 3.6 cents from last week but 76.4 cents more than a year ago. EIA said averages fell in all regions of the country.

[Ravy]

17. I found a current link that says that without the risk factor that

oil would be $40-50 a barrel. I am sure that Iraq, our public disagreements with Chavez are part of that, but so is the threatening of Iran.

http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

[robinlynne]

5. k&r!

[Ravy]

6. Kick for the daytimers

[IsItJustMe]

7. I don't find it I find it incredulous at all that no one is questioning this pResident. If you look

at the facts, there were many people, in our government, that knew or strongly believed that Iraq had no wmd, and yet, look what happened.

Seems like we about to commit the same mistake twice. No one seems to have learnt any lessons over the past seven years.

[Ravy]

8. My point is that we should do the old addage...

"Follow the money".

I have been thinking that Bush is just some idiot neo-con and using that theory to predict his actions. This doesn't fit. He *knew* he couldn't get by with this lie, but he still gave it all it was worth. Is it that he is a cronic liar?

Perhaps.

But then it struck me... Iraq... Iran... treatment of the Venezuelan government. Each misstep and the price of oil keeps going up..up..up.


I don't know. You tell me. If the President and Vice-President were both elected from say, agribusiness, and at the end of their second term of office food was four times the price as it was when they went in....

[IsItJustMe]

9. It's not as simple as just profit. As with most human actions, there are most likely several

different factors involved with this type of behavior.

I think that their extreme right wing ideology of America's place in the world, combined with their own unique dysfunctional personalities makes for the perfect storm.

But I do see your point, and profit is an important factor.

[Ravy]

13. misposted. Please see #12

[librechik]

10. fascinating insight. Someone should sue over that risk surcharge. Right away!

[HuffleClaw]

11. risk surcharge ?

[Ravy]

15. Link enclosed.

"In a world that consumes over 80 million barrels per day of petroleum products that added a significant risk premium to crude oil price and is largely responsible for prices in excess of $40-$50 per barrel. "


http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

[Ravy]

12. That is pretty much with everything...

"Bush is stupid" gets a yawn.

"Bush is incompetent" gets a scratch.

"Bush loves war" gets a sniff.

"Bush is causing all of this so that the price of oil quadrupled for his friends and family" brings out the pitchforks.

[underpants]

14. Who gets told that a change is coming and just lets it pass?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3796069&mesg_id=3796069

[Ravy]

16. Someone who could profit financially by it??? nt