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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:34 PM
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Why did CHAVEZ's "graciousness" get bleeped on Univision 2 days later?
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http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/2007/12/03.html

.... Behind the Scenes: Multiple reliable sources are saying that having Chávez accept the results was no easy task. In fact, a good source told me that at some point the CNE President almost announced a Si victory by a slim margin, which was stopped only because General Baduel threatened to come on stage and call the fraud if she did this. In the end the military and Baduel prevailed in defending institutionality. Baduel and the military reportedly played a key role in forcing Chavez to accept his defeat or otherwise the military will call it a coup. ....

Chavez’ Speech: Not gracious at all. First of all, he should not have extended himself so much. He should have said he recognized the victory of the No and not go into more details, least of all when after one hour he said that he would keep it short. Those abroad should remember that while Chavez was speaking, all TV and radio stations were forced to carry his speech. The supporters of the NO, the winners in this race, were egoistically denied watching their own side celebrate.


Chávez also tried to turn the loss into a victory, which is valid, but certainly not very believable for a man used to winning elections handily. The voters said they did not like his proposal, the voters rejected his socialism, the voters rejected his indefinite reelection, but Chavez still said that he would not remove one comma from his proposal and there will be other times for that fight. Thus, Chavez was showing how he likes to impose his will without discussion, rather than use the tools of democracy: negotiation, discussion and concession in order to reach a consensus. He cannot accept an opinion different than his; he cannot admit different ways of accomplishing things. Despite the evidence of the No victory, he plans to continue to push his project intact, which may be his demise. ....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071206/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_russia_planes;_ylt=Aj08teNSygQOEmgQqmIQnSm3IxIF

Venezuela to buy Russian-made planes

.... Under President Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has already purchased some $3 billion worth of arms from Russia, including 53 military helicopters, 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles and 24 SU-30 Sukhoi fighter jets.

Air Force Col. Oswaldo Hernandez Sanchez did not provide any details regarding the planes to be purchased from Russia, saying only that he expected them to arrive in Venezuela late next year.

Chavez — a former army lieutenant colonel — says Venezuela needs new transport planes to replace Hercules C-130 planes because of maintenance problems caused a U.S. ban on arms sales to the South American country.

The U.S. State Department imposed the ban, which affects the sale by other countries of any military hardware containing U.S. technology, citing a lack of support by Chavez's government for counterterrorism efforts and its increasingly close relations with Iran and communist-led Cuba.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071203/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_chavez_s_powers;_ylt=AgTu3Zz.aiRMEBYNDsnSEkG3IxIF

• Through presidential decrees. The National Assembly granted Chavez special powers earlier this year to enact laws by decree in 11 areas, from the economy to defense, until July 2008. The powers were granted under a so-called "enabling law" aimed at giving the presidential special authority to move ahead with creating a "new, sustainable economic and social model."

• Through laws approved by the National Assembly. The congress has been dominated by Chavez supporters since the opposition boycotted 2005 elections expressing concerns about a lack of guarantees for a fair and transparent vote. Seven of the 167 lawmakers have since broken ties with Chavez

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:37 PM
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1. Oh, I know, because Univision is a CIA/DLC/NeoCon/NYT/AP *front*!1 n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:49 PM
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11. Responding to your own OP is embarassingly bad form. nt.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:44 PM
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48. It's called an "addendum." As opposed to a personal insult. n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:16 AM
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60. No, when you do it with 57 minutes left in the EDIT window, it's called a "shameless self-kick".
And it's embarrassingly bad form indeed.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:20 AM
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64. Why does this thread need a self-kick? Another slur instead of content. n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:26 AM
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69. You tell me- you're the one who self-kicked it. That's not a "slur", it's just what happened.
You know, if you genuinely feel that YOUR OWN ACTIONS are a "slur" against you,
maybe you should alter your ACTIONS, instead of getting huffy about the fact
that folks NOTICE them.

Something to think about.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #69
71. Why does RESPONDING to you mean a SELF-kick?!
I am not a self-promoter. I have nothing to promote. I have opinions JUST LIKE YOU and everybody else on this board. Do you have ANY insight into yourself?!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:38 PM
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2. I know, why not start a flame war?
Didn't you just post this same crap a few minutes ago?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:39 PM
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3. Me only, or Huguito's supporters?! n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:40 PM
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5. Why is it crap exactly?
Do you not trust Salon?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:47 PM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:50 PM
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13. Is Joe Conason a glorified blogger then?
I believe they are considered an online magazine, a fairly respected one.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:56 PM
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18. So Conason wrote this piece?
No he didn't. Some other, and it seems anonymous, blogger wrote the cited article. This was not a Salon article, it was a Salon blog entry.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Some Anonymous Blogger
Whose comment-leavers write using terms like "we" and "our" and "fight for democracy." Amazingly, in perfect English, with few Spanish slang terms. Whodathought?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:07 PM
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28. WTF ..... Conason didn't write it did he?
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 11:19 PM by doublethink
So some anonymous blogger can spell ..... geee ....... what a concept to a valid argument on your part .... so someone can spell, use slang terms ..... um ..... equals the truth? Not much into a relevant argument are you? WTF are you trying to say here? :eyes:

on edit: think your were being 'facetious' ..... my humble apologies ... peace. ;)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
34. Could his name be Paila Master?
And this person seems to have won some kind of award, http://weblogawards.org/ which might indicate he's not just some shmuck.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
78. LMFAO
I'm guessing you don't know what a paila is.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #20
77. Actually that appears to be the American translation
Here's the Spanish, complete with Spanish comments.

http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/categories/technology/
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:10 PM
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30. Sorry, hadn't read it yet, but you didn't say Salon's blog, you said Salon
which is why I reacted. Salon is a glorified blog as opposed to Solon's blog is a glorified blog (which is a silly thing to say when you think of it.)

So I came to the conclusion you were talking about Salon, and not their blog, understandably so, I should think.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:57 PM
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19. Thank you. n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:54 PM
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16. I, the o.p., am HERE, who're you talking to in the 3rd person?!1
I could not find a link to what I heard on Univision during the afternoon news, which was, from a Latin American news source, that Huguito abandoned his "gracious" acceptance of the people's will and used foul language (what a surprise) about the outcome of the election.


I think it is a valid o.p. to point out to all the Huguito supporters that he did not "graciously" accept the results of the election, as THEY HAVE BEEN CLAIMING!1



I am *not* a hysterical monger about Huguito's threat. He is just a fucking/CHENEEing blowhard to me. I detest him as much as I detest Shrub/CHEENEE and all of the wingnut infrastructure.


I just do NOT *grok* how all you Huguito supporters defame anybody who despises the fucking A-hole (Huguito).
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Your repeated use of "!1" explains everything.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:08 PM
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29. It explains I'm a DUer who plays with the jokes here (!1, hugh)
Of course, you refrain from calling me a freeper, because you won't. You just SLUR.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:02 PM
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:11 PM
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31. Have I called YOU "a slanderous fool"?! Did you read the o.p. about TODAY's Huguito's
forgetting ALL "graciousness" and getting bleeped?!



All the !11111s are here. Did you miss them?!1
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:14 PM
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32. ...........
ROFLMAO ..... your a comedian in real life aren't you? Thanks for the laughs anyway. Too funny. :rofl:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. Typo?!1 Or grammatically challenged?!1 (your vs you're)
Why is "comedian" a perjorative/personal-attack?! Have I attacked you?!1 EVER?1 Why do you and yours PERSONALLY ATTACK?!
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. bla bla bla bla bla bla bla ....
so there. ;) I know your are so what am I? :rofl:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. I looked away for a moment. Were you the one who got deleted?
If so, it would tend to dilute your "bla, bla", since the mods would seem to agree that it was a personal attack.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:45 PM
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49. Self Delete .....
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 11:49 PM by doublethink
yea it was me .... so what? Did you see Hugo on National TV graciously give in to the will of the people? I did. Peace.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Who's clouding what?!1 My o.p. was about Univision & the links were background. n/t
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Um...... that original response wasn't about your o.p.
it was relevant to LittleClarkies response. Peace.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #53
62. You can cry "peace, peace" but it ain't there. Look inside/know thyself. n/t
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #62
74. Why do you fester in anger my son?
:shrug: Breath ......, close your eyes for a second .... give it a moment ....... Peace. :) .... See it's just that easy........ what more could you want?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. Oommmm, Oooommmm...
on the range... where the deer and the antelope are gay...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #49
58. No, I depend on the kindness of DUers to feed the cube rats
A professor of mine used to say that there was no such thing as THE history of an event, only A history. It usually takes reading more than one before one can glean the truth.

It amazes me what is considered a valid source around here sometimes. Usually the source is valid, it seems, because the poster in question agrees with it. I've seen DUers quote right wing rags because the damn thing supported their view point. A broken clock is right twice a day, and all that. Amazing how that broken clock managed to be right at the exact same point at which the poster agreed with it.

Salon is fairly well respected, and the blogger in question seems to have won some sort of weblog award for his reporting. Seems as valid a source as any to support one's viewpoint, and better than some.

So why not post an account from a source you trust so that we might have more than one account from which to glean the truth. Wouldn't that be better than insulting folks to the point of deletion?
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:42 AM
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72. Then again it's as simple as ....
who ya gonna trust, me or your lying eyes? I saw, heard, understood exactly what Hugo said on National Venezuelan TV the night of DEC 2nd just past. It was Gracious and giving in-to the will of the people. I came to DU soon after and about 85% of the even the 'Hugo Haters' in here .... admitted he was Gracious in defeat of his referendum that night to the will of the people. Those who saw his speech, and reaction whether pro or con Chavez agreed on this. And he gained a lot of respect from con Chavez people here on DU. Search the threads from a few nights ago. Some really hard core anti-Chavez types gained respect for the man that night. That astonished me more than the election results, The DU 'cube rats' whom you highly respect ..... said so. There, you got your source, check it out. Search the night of Dec 2nd 2007 here on DU. So forgive me if I have reservations about the OP's intentions in this thread quoting some anonymous bloggers editorial as if it's gospel. It is what it is. Peace.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #72
73. I didn't say I highly respect cub rats. I'M the cube rat.
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 01:01 AM by LittleClarkie
I have no other choice but to wait for people to feed me. I work nights. I don't have a tv at work. Hence...

Some say he sounded gracious. This account claims there were things we DIDN'T see behind the scenes. I'm not afraid of opposing viewpoints, are you? It's up to each of us to decide who we trust.

And this anonymous blogger would seem to have won an award for his blog. And from what I can tell, he's not in bad company: http://2006.weblogawards.org/ and http://weblogawards.org/index2005.php. Repeatedly calling him "an anonymous blogger" as if he had no credibility at all doesn't do it for me, in part because so are you, and so am I. So if you're anonymous, and anonymous folks aren't to be believed, why should I listen to you, hmm?

I saw the accounts on Dec. 2, btw. I've been going around since saying that it's hard to call the man a dictator when he loses votes like that. I never did think he was one, just that he was on the road if the referendum passed.

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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #73
76. Awwwww but trying to give this anonymous blogger credibility ....
just because he won some type of award (which I never heard of) ... is also the fallacy of appeal to authority, or some kind of tokenism. Bush has won awards too ya know. I sure don't take his word as gospel. I'm just saying? And of course there are always things we DON'T see behind the scenes ....but there are also things that never took place behind the scenes in the first place.
So unless we can verify some things through other sources ..... well 1 anonymous bloggers editorial doesn't create fact in my book. Anyway ........ don't let this all get under your skin and shit okay. Lighten up. ;) ... Oh and if ya go to my profile .... you can probably learn all about me through the link provided, blows your 'I'm anonymous' argument out of the water too. Trust me. Just trust ME !!! :rofl: .... sorry it's been a long day LittleClarkie, Peace. :hi:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. Or it is at least valid to suggest that he might not have.
And thus the people can decide the truth between both accounts.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:39 PM
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4. Trying Again?
The Salon blog is highly biased, for starters. Read the comments if you disagree, these are not mere bystanders, these are people who have a stake in it, as you can tell by their use of pronouns.

Under President Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has already purchased some $3 billion worth of arms from Russia, including 53 military helicopters, 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles and 24 SU-30 Sukhoi fighter jets.

Your point?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:41 PM
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6. Of course, NOTHING is "highly biased" except any criticism of Huguito
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 10:43 PM by UTUSN
So, is it NOT true he has bought all the crap in the quote?!


I, personally, am not scared or hysterical of him. He's just an a-hole, like Shrub!1


When have *I* personally "tried again"?!




O.K., here come EVER-body!1
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Right
Anyone can start a Salon blog. The fact it's there (and does the author of the thing even publish his/her name)?

So, what about the military purchases. You think he's gonna attack us?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Look, I have NO idea what blog is what. I went by the brand name "Salon" which is one of OURS/mine
I know that ALL Huguito supporters attack/attempt-to-discredit ALL links as wingnut sources.


I usually just go by Google searches and cite the top links. Can you stop with the attack-the-source and attack-the-messenger, hmmmm?!1
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #8
12.  Look, I have NO idea what blog is what.
Yes and that is just the tip of the iceberg. At least you are aware of your limitations.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #12
33. Look at YOUR posts and MINE. I *never* attack you personally. You DO. n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #12
38. I am, but are you?!1 n/t
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. In This Particular Case
Edited on Wed Dec-05-07 10:54 PM by Crisco
In your first attempt at posting, you threw out the "It's in Salon, you're not going to challenge Salon's credibility, are you?"

In this particular case, yeah, you bet I am. Even if it weren't, I would also point out that Salon has been known to write huge articles dissing Big Corp while nodding at its imitators.

PS - why is it a big deal that a sovereign nation made military weaponry purchases?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. Note to you: Quotation marks are used for QUOTATIONS.
Here's your stuff: "It's in Salon, you're not going to challenge Salon's credibility, are you?"



Who said that?!1 You?!1 Repeatedly, I have referenced what I saw on Univision this afternoon, and that AFTERWARDS I looked for links and found only the UNSATISFACTORY links you are SO dissatisfied with.


I am a reliable re-router of stuff I hear and see, not the least of which is PISSANT Huguito being the a-hole he PERSONALLY *is* via camersas withOUT interpretation by the M$M!1


Now, what else. I'm retiring soon, will probably catch you manana. (Do you know how I can type a tilde?!)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #15
46. While the other side threw out "Salon is a glorified blog"
Which taken literally isn't exactly true either. Warren seemed to be impugning Salon itself, as it would make not sense to say "Salon's blog is a glorified blog."

Salon is fairly well respected as far as I know. I would reckon they wouldn't let any old crapola be on their site.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
44. Perhaps anyone can start a Salon blog. But do they all have webblog awards?
And I'm wondering if his name is Paila Master. Either that or the phrase means something in Spanish I'm not aware of.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. So post a hightly biased pro-Chavez account
and perhaps somewhere in the middle we will find truth.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #4
39. Like Warren said..
ya might as well quote DU! lol!

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. We're all OPINIONS, but Huguito's supporters DETEST opposing OPINIONS!1 n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. And you're hysterical.
Calm the fuck down.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. Excuse me?! Now THAT was a real sucker punch. I thought we were agreeing.
Could you be that harsh with the Huguito-ites?!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. I am a Chavez supporter, UTUSN..
now do you get it? Sorry, next time I'll just hide your thread.

Viva Chavez!
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. HaHAH!1 I'm sorry you will hide my thread (not-s-esses, I hope). Because I have fondness for you on
other topics. I respect you, Judi Lynn, Mika and others who idealistically heart Huguito. I just think you're wrong. I also believe you and the others named will respect MY opinion the same way I respect yours. I also do NOT believe Huguito would EVER allow me MY opinion.

Love ya.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:20 AM
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65. Okay..we'll agree to
disagree on Chavez. That's what I meant.. not letting your Chavez threads get to me. Sorry.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:25 AM
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67. I love you, love you, love you ... (ad infinitum) G'night!1 n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:34 AM
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70. You're funny..
G'night!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:15 AM
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59. Anyone around here won that particular blog award?
This blogger would seem to be a step above your average shmuck.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:49 PM
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10. Who? Some petro state head
president of nigeria, UAE? No more communista threads.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 10:56 PM
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17. Evil Hugo is a poor dictator, can't even steal 1st base
Evil can't see or smell it and some people have to imagine it. So how many countries has Chavez invaded? How many has he executed? How many elections has he fixed? How much money has he extorted for himself? Abut the only thing "evil" he produces is a bumper crop of psycho antagonists that can't accept the plain fact that Chavez is a step above most every other leader in Latin America (and for that matter the U.S.).
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:00 PM
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22. Biding his time. Biding his time. (Reference, Will & Grace),
Grace: (about her mother), "Better him than me. Better him than me."
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:03 PM
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25. And there it is again. You guys have all the prescience of Bush et al.
"Sure he's not a dictator now, sure the results of the referendum were fair and square and he lost, but anyday now, you'll see, he will be a real bad dictator." Give it a rest.

Come back when you have something besides your crystal ball for proof.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:40 PM
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43. No, he just DECLARES what he wants. & "you guys" are in deep denial.
I don't believe he has any POWER for conquest over the U.S. Just that he has the lamentable power over Venezuelans. But, so be it.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:26 AM
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68. I personally didn't think he was a dictator
but I thought if the referendum had passed, it would have put him on the road to POSSIBLY becoming one. I don't trust ANY leader that far, even one I agree with.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:05 PM
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26. Too much TeeVee?
Amigo give it a rest.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:03 PM
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24. I would take that one step further actually.. He is probably the most awesome ...
leader of the 21st century.... Look what he has done for his people! Chavez is no Dictator, hell he had how many countries there to observe the referendum... 38 - 40 I think I recall reading... This guy should be given a medal for his goodness...
Now that being said, I do think that he was to ambitious in the things that he was trying to do in his referendum... He should have limited it and gone back later for more.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:42 PM
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45. "too" not "to". Oh, and he WILL be back. Biding his time. Biding his time. n/t
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:45 PM
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50. Yep I see the annoying part! n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:04 AM
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55. Pointing out all the personal attacks. Why do you want to engage somebody "annoying"?!1 n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:18 AM
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63. We're only seven years into the 21st Century
Might be a tad early to declare overall awesomeness.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-05-07 11:07 PM
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27. I sure wish we had a Dictator like Hugo running this country! n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:05 AM
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56. So does Shrub -- namely, himSELF!1 n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:21 AM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:17 AM
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61. You do.
If the account is at all accurate, that is. In this account he sounds horribly Bush-like.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:01 PM
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79. ZOMG! CHAVEZ!!!1!!!ONE ONE ELEVENTY-ONE!!!
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