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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:05 AM
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Bolton: Flaws in the Iran Report...
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 12:21 AM by Flabbergasted
This is rich. John Bolton believes he knows more about the intelligence coming out of Iran than the guys hired to do it in the first place. Bolton uses the most outrageous and illogical arguments imaginable: "Too much of the intelligence community is engaging in policy formulation..."


The Flaws In the Iran Report

By John R. Bolton
Thursday, December 6, 2007; Page A29

Rarely has a document from the supposedly hidden world of intelligence had such an impact as the National Intelligence Estimate released this week. Rarely has an administration been so unprepared for such an event. And rarely have vehement critics of the "intelligence community" on issues such as Iraq's weapons of mass destruction reversed themselves so quickly.

All this shows that we not only have a problem interpreting what the mullahs in Tehran are up to, but also a more fundamental problem: Too much of the intelligence community is engaging in policy formulation rather than "intelligence" analysis, and too many in Congress and the media are happy about it. President Bush may not be able to repair his Iran policy (which was not rigorous enough to begin with) in his last year, but he would leave a lasting legacy by returning the intelligence world to its proper function.

Consider these flaws in the NIE's "key judgments," which were made public even though approximately 140 pages of analysis, and reams of underlying intelligence, remain classified.

First, the headline finding -- that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 -- is written in a way that guarantees the totality of the conclusions will be misread. In fact, there is little substantive difference between the conclusions of the 2005 NIE on Iran's nuclear capabilities and the 2007 NIE. Moreover, the distinction between "military" and "civilian" programs is highly artificial, since the enrichment of uranium, which all agree Iran is continuing, is critical to civilian and military uses. Indeed, it has always been Iran's "civilian" program that posed the main risk of a nuclear "breakout."

The real differences between the NIEs are not in the hard data but in the psychological assessment of the mullahs' motives and objectives. The current NIE freely admits to having only moderate confidence that the suspension continues and says that there are significant gaps in our intelligence and that our analysts dissent from their initial judgment on suspension. This alone should give us considerable pause.

Second, the NIE is internally contradictory and insufficiently supported. It implies that Iran is susceptible to diplomatic persuasion and pressure, yet the only event in 2003 that might have affected Iran was our invasion of Iraq and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, not exactly a diplomatic pas de deux. As undersecretary of state for arms control in 2003, I know we were nowhere near exerting any significant diplomatic pressure on Iran. Nowhere does the NIE explain its logic on this critical point. Moreover, the risks and returns of pursuing a diplomatic strategy are policy calculations, not intelligence judgments. The very public rollout in the NIE of a diplomatic strategy exposes the biases at work behind the Potemkin village of "intelligence."

more at...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/05/AR2007120502234.html?hpid=opinionsbox1



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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:12 AM
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1. flabbergasted, i just posted an old story about Bolton, that has new relevance.
See his conversation to aipac groupies... he wanted to push Iran to kick out arms inspectors, in order to justify a "response" from the US.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2413734&mesg_id=2413734
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:14 AM
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2. No, he doesn't believe he knows more. He knows he is a lying scum. He knows he's
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 12:16 AM by vickiss
full of shit, lying warmonger.

Sorry, he just makes me sick.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:15 AM
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3. Fuck you, you no mustache-trimming piece of shit.
How stupid do these fuckers think we are?

Why would anyone believe this lying asshole?

These guys got caught, and they are trying anything they can think of to spin their way out of this.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:17 AM
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4. Anything to keep the investors sure of a war in Iran.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:17 AM
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5. Gee, they're scrutinizing the HELL out of this NIE for some reason.
Too bad they didn't pay the same level of attention to "bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US".
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:24 AM
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7. Funny isn't it. nt
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 06:06 AM
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14. they're scrutinizing the HELL out of this NIE because
1. it didn't say what they wanted it to say

2. it screws up the bush/cheney inc. booga-booga

3. exposes bush/cheney inc. as lieing sacks of crap


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:18 AM
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6. It is a real pleasure to see Dolton flapping his gums so ineffectually.
Now if WaPo would stop giving him space, all would be well.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 12:33 AM
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8. Once again, I feel sorry for all of them - they have so many 'bases' to mollify - while Bolton.
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 12:35 AM by higher class
has his own agenda - primarily in total sync with some in Israel and, as usual, with his group and the corporations and barons they work for.

I feel so sorry for Dick and George as sitting ducks because they have to write words and crap to satisfy their more-haves, their devoted lemmings who are not afraid to follow them over the cliff, Israel, UK, weapons manufacturers, military hawks of hawks, and all those who visualize oil and water pipelines totally secured and flowing over flat land with no transfer or shipping glitches, and all the stockholders who support off-shore everything. And for the religious radicals, some of whom want to see the Holy Land on fire from their ascended viewpoint. It must be really hard on them at times. Come, feel sorry with me.

On second thought, our own Dem leaders face the same thing, but not for the same groups. With Dems, it may be simpler - it's mostly a degree of right and left, plus the DLC right of center.
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Ezana Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 03:31 AM
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9. One can not eat his cake and have it
The administration declared war on Iraq depending on intelligence information. Now they are telling us that they will not stop their war rhoteric because they have doubt on intelligence information.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 07:45 AM
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17. you forgot this
:sarcasm:

I have a hard time feeling sorry for these people who have screwed up our country the way they have. Bolton and Cheney are the worst...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 05:01 PM
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21. Yes, thank you for recognizing my sarcasm.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 05:11 AM
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10. This is the official spin
The revisionists also continue to spew the lie that it was the intelligence community who made them invade Iraq.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 05:14 AM
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11. The first candidate to cock-punch Bolton on national TV gets my vote.
Even if it's what's-her-name, I swear ta gawd!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 05:49 AM
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12. Me smart.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 06:01 AM
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13. he's just pissed
because the intelligence community isn't engaging in with the bushies policy formulation


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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 06:46 AM
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15. Like this man has any credibility at all... it's like kerik defending giuliani. n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 07:35 AM
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16. This is excellent news
If Bolten thinks Bush's Iran policy is wrecked and he's this pissed off about it it can only mean that plans to invade Iran have been irreparably derailed.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 01:01 PM
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20. The other part of it is....
since US troop casualties are down it is not beneficial to use their alternate excuse: Iran is aiding insurgents killing our troops.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 07:50 AM
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18. "by returning the intelligence world to its proper function" ???
erm, it was BUSH who 'FIXED THE INTEL' to fit policy. good lord, what fools do they think people are?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 07:50 AM
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19. Who IS this guy...
... didn't he have to leave his UN post with his tail between his legs?

Why the FUCK would anyone care what this idiot has to say?
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