Life in our Anti-Christian America

[ChickMagic]

Considering that I'm apparently a bigot against Christianity and they are all in danger because of my bigotry, I give you this:

I'm certainly glad this has finally been brought out into the open. The anti-Christian bias in our society has reached absurd proportions. Consider:

1. During the 1988 election campaign, George Bush said that Christians should not be considered patriots or real American citizens.
2. Bill Clinton steadfastly refuses to give any speeches at local churches.
3. Both major political parties are dominated by anti-Christians. The Republican party, for example, gave us such hardcore atheists as Pat Buchanan, Dan Quayle, Phyllis Schlafly and Ronald Reagan. And the Democrats have given us such personalities as the Rev. Martin Luther King and the Rev. Jesse Jackson both noted for their vicious attacks on all forms of Christianity.
4. Let's talk about the media. On Sunday mornings, nearly all major television channels broadcast pro-atheist shows; it is nearly impossible to find religious programming during that time period. Further, Madalyn Murray O'Hair has her own cable TV channel, while Pat Robertson has been unable to obtain one for himself.
5. Most major newspapers run a special weekly section devoted to Atheism. There are no equivalent sections for religious news.

http://www.infidels.org/misc/humor.archive//lioaca.html

[coco77]

1. My problem with all of this is..

these people act as though all voters are christians. Even if a majority of americans are christians that doesn't mean that they will vote for the republicons.

[ChickMagic]

3. Disheartening, isn't it?

They also act as though if nonbelievers just listen to them read the bible, then they would be believers. They just do not consider anyone else's sensibilities but their own.

[TechBear_Seattle]

6. The irony being, of course....

That nearly every non-believer I know (including myself) became a non-believer specifically because they read the Bible.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. So true

[ChickMagic]

8. Exactly

That's my story too. Some Gideons were trying to push that
on me in my dentist's office. I said, "I'm not part of that
fan club." I guess I'm just a bigot.

[madokie]

12. two and two didn't add up to four when I started putting it all together

not anyone thing mind you just all of it in general

[Raine]

21. True for me too

Plus I was educated at a private Christian elementary school instead of going to public school. I bet I know more about what's in the bible than any fundie does.

[Ezlivin]

42. Not me, buddy.

No, I had to graduate from seminary and work in a local church for two years before I got clued in.

But let me tell you brother, I'm seriously clued in. Anyone who comes to my door wanting to "witness" to me is in for a very big surprise: I majored in apologetics and philosophy.

Future Americans will look back at this time in history as we do the Dark Ages. Un-fucking-believable.

[FiveGoodMen]

45. Amen! (I mean, me too!)

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. I never read the bible and wasn't raised with any religion. I never even gave religion a thought.

What made me a non believer was the religious nut cases in this Country and thank you all very much! :woohoo:

[Lorien]

76. Same here. n/t

[Dukkha]

35. and I HATE it when they say read "your" bible

implying that I obviously own one or there's something very abnormal with me. :eyes:

[Bigmack]

58. I'd tell them to read...

"God Delusion" and "End of Faith".

I've read the bible.

[Marr]

16. They make two contradictory arguments simultaneously.

1. Christians are being oppressed.

2. Christians are by far the majority, so we should have (Christian) prayer in school, government, etc.

It seems like they make the first argument when they want to inject religion into government, and the second when someone of a different faith decides to do the same after the fact.

[krispos42]

72. Oooo, good point!

One more round in the a magazine, if you know what I mean.

[Drunken Irishman]

38. That's what I hate the most. If you're Christian, you obviously can't vote Democratic.

Because, you know, Christianity was formed on the belief homosexuality is a sin and abortion is murder. The Two Commandments, right? Jesus walked the earth preaching against the sins of homosexuality and the sins of abortion...that's all he talked about.

[LittleClarkie]

53. They act as if all those Christian voters were FUNDAMENTALIST Christians

I'm sick of feeling second hand because I'm mainstream.

[Deep13]

2. I hate it when atheists come to the door and bug me...

...with their Darwinist literature.
I also hate how my property taxes are artificially high because of the numerous skeptical temples which are tax free.

side note: Are we sure MLK was a Democrat?

[BOSSHOG]

5. And the freaking atheists really hose up the traffic on the highway

about noon time every Sunday around their temples. And some of them have their own police force to direct traffic to make it easy for THEM to come and go with ease. And what's with the lower speed limits around their temples when they are having their services?

[hfojvt]

9. they don't have to do that though

because their Darwinism is pushed in the taxpayer funded schools.

[unpossibles]

15. are you being serious?!?

I know I've asked you this before on other topics, but... really?

Darwinism? It is to laugh.


Do you refer to the theory of gravity as Newtonism, or the people who study gravity or nuclear fission as "believers" or do you understand that a theory which has undergone 150 years of scrutiny is not a "belief" and you are being 100% disingenuous.

If you do not want your children to learn science and would rather they learn myths in science class, feel free to use a private school.

[hfojvt]

20. see post #2, it was not my term, I just played along n/t

[unpossibles]

23. that's why I asked if you were joking

the other poster was obviously joking.

Your statement was a little too close to things I've actually heard from the anti-evolution crowd, so I guess I was rudely asking for confirmation.

[redqueen]

19. Darwinism?

Fucking hell.

[yardwork]

25. Darwinism? I must have missed those days in school.

What is this Darwinism of which you speak? Are their daily prayers to some deity named Darwin? Are carols sung on the anniversary of his birth? Does a bunny rabbit bring chocolate eggs on the anniversary of Darwin's death and rebirth as God?

I didn't realize that there were public schools in the U.S. that required the worship of somebody named Darwin. What next? Compulsory belief that the world is round?

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Edit. Delete. It appears you were kidding. nt

[Elspeth]

54. Knock Knock, evolution happens?

I never got a visit from an atheist prosyletizer?

[polichick]

4. I don't care what anybody says about me, I'm sick of Christians and their political bullshit...

I was raised as a Christian, but this Cult of Jesus stuff we see today is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH!

[madokie]

13. same here

[hfojvt]

10. Here's the main question

Does your sarcastic OP make something like post #4 any less religiophobic? Because I have seen sig lines that say "bigotry is bigotry". You seem to be saying "my own bigotry is harmless because Christians have these benefits" (although just how a moronic statement by Bush or a Pat Robertson TV show is a benefit to me, is kinda puzzling).

It is really quite easy for one person to threaten another, often it does not even require a weapon or even physical presence. "Now, you're punching and you're kicking and you're shouting at me. I'm relying on your sense of decency. So far it hasn't surfaced but I'm sure it exists. It just takes a while to travel from your head to your fists. I can't understand what makes a man hate another man. Help me understand. People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully."

It does not really matter about numbers and TV shows. If I am walking down the information superhighway and you throw a brick of hatred at my head, it can still leave a mark. At least it would, if I wasn't so darn hard-headed.

[Terran]

17. I think you missed this in Post #4:

I don't care what anybody says about me, I'm sick of Christians and their political bullshit...

Their political bullshit...not their religious bullshit. Examples abound. So how is that "religiophobic" (and is that even a real word?)?

[polichick]

18. Thank you; that's an important distinction. :) nt

[hfojvt]

22. and? What does 'and' imply?

"I am sick of Christians"
and
"I am sick of their political bullsh*t"

maybe it was meant to say "I am sick of the political bullsh*t of the so-called moral majority"

Since 'political bullsh*t' is not defined, the actions of Jesse Jackson seem to also fall under the political bullsh*t of a Christian. So would my own actions, since I am a self-described Christian who engages in politics. Besides that the statement began with "I am sick of Christians".

More to the point, post #4 was used as a generic example of religiophobia. (I still think it works. If somebody on FR said "I am sick of gays and their political bullsh*t" wouldn't that be a shining example of disgusting homophobia?) The point is that Christophobia is recognized and still can hurt or offend, even if a Christian theoretically has a posse of Christian peeps who always have their back. (I noticed that they seem to have missed this thread, and that I now seem to be fighting on Jet turf.)

[polichick]

24. Surely, you didn't REALLY misunderstand me...

Christ himself would be "Christophobic" about the cult that passes as "Christianity" in America today ~ please see my post below if you're still confused.

[Terran]

30. I think it's clear

that the poster was not referring to all Christians, just the bullshit espoused by some of them. I'm a bit surprised to hear you include Jesse Jackson in the that idea. I think what we're discussing here is 1) hate, 2) hypocrisy, and 3) mixing of church and state, and I don't think Jackson has ever been guilty of any of that (at least I assume he is appropriately NOT tax-exempt).

The point here is that Christians own and operate this nation, and they have nothing to complain about. The real bullshit here is all the whining about persecution you hear these days. I'm sorry you got offended, but I have my beliefs too, but I don't get offended when I hear Christians flame people like me--all I can rationally do is shrug it off as a matter of opinion. As perhaps you should.

And btw, let's not compare this to homophobia--people who Believe do so by choice.

[hfojvt]

34. it is not very clear how a person can use the word "Christian"

with no adjectives or modifiers and not be talking about ALL Christians. Talibornigains was not good enough, or fundies or the religious reich? No, the post said "Christian" and that includes me, it includes Jesse Jackson and it includes Dennis Kucinich.

What is "mixing of church and state"? I am not sure we are clear on what that means. Jesse opened his speech in 1984 at the Democratic National Convention with these words:
"Tonight we come together bound by our faith in a mighty God, with genuine respect and love for our country, and inheriting the legacy of a great party, the Democratic Party, which is the best hope for redirecting our nation on a more humane, just and peaceful course."

I do not remember a firestorm at the time about whether he was excluding atheists or pantheists from the Rainbow Coalition, and it sure seems like a mix of religion and politics even if that may have been the only mention of God in the entire speech.

If we are discussing hate, then it seems like a statement that "I am sick of X and their bullsh*t" is another expression of hate.

[Terran]

37. Oh never mind

Jesus, save me from your followers. Even the good ones.

[dbonds]

11. Most christians have no idea what the religion really is.

All they know is the brainwashing they have been told. Good people are christians, jesus died for your sins (this has to be the lamest belief - see below), and it is the unforgivable sin to even let a thought into your head that jesus and god didn't exists.

So how does this jesus dieing for you work. So he is an immortal god in a human body, and he dies, then comes back to life. How does that translate to wiping away all the sins you have done, you only have to believe he is a god. Of all the religions this is the most absurd belief. It lets people be sinners, then just say 'jesus is lord' and get out of jail free. I can't believe more people don't see through that farce. Explain exactly how that works - and don't give me god works in mysterious ways crap.

Also, most christians would be amazed to find out what the bible actually says about how they should be living their life, they should read leviticus.

[polichick]

14. Jesus would be disgusted with the hatred shown by today's political "Christians"

Anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-woman, anti-child, anti-family, anti-poor, anti-environment, anti-anyone and anything that threatens their fearful world view.

(While all these "antis" may not be clear by their rhetoric; it's certainly made clear by the leaders and legislation they support.)

[TahitiNut]

26. Leviticus is the 3rd book of the Torah.

The "good news" is about a "new covenant" that supercedes the old ... at least that's how I was taught.

:shrug:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

57. Do you know about the conditions for the Messiah?

In the OT, there are numerous conditions for the Messiah, such as he must be of royal blood, he must rebuild the temple at Jerusalem, he must bring peace to all of the earth, etc.

Jesus fulfills NONE of those requirements.

It's all at www.jewsforjudaism.com

Just thought I'd let ya know about the requirements for the title Messiah.

[knitter4democracy]

49. They should read the Book of Acts after that.

Leviticus is the law that Jesus came to fulfill. In Acts, the church was trying to figure out if they still had to follow kosher laws and all of the laws of Leviticus and the Old Testament. That's when St. Peter (one of the disciples) had a vision and shared it at the meeting that God was allowing all foods. The rest agreed with Peter, and that's why the Church doesn't require circumcision, keeping kosher, or following the laws in the Old Testament other than the Schma and loving our neighbors as ourselves. Since then, the Church has added its own canon laws for worship and such, but, in the west, the Protestant Reformation changed most of that, so now, most anything goes in many churches.

[spoony]

50. That was easily the least informed, most poorly written

post on religion I've ever seen on DU. And that is saying quite a bit.

[dbonds]

52. lol, easily the worst attempt at an insult I have seen.

I could have hit you with all the truth about the sham it all is. I could have told you all the lies, the real history. But that wasn't the point. The point was its own stupidity that the is built into the beliefs.

[spoony]

59. "The point was its own stupidity that the is built into the beliefs."

I don't need to insult you. Your inability to write does that job rather well. Pardon me for not being moved by your obvious intellectual superiourity, lol.

[dbonds]

60. lol, can't say anything of substance so you pick on typos.

[Toasterlad]

69. "superiourity"

Nothing...NOTHING cracks me up more than people who, in the process of reducing an argument to a spelling or grammar contest, make their own spelling errors. ESPECIALLY when it's a religious fundie who does it. Tee hee!

:bounce:

[AuntPatsy]

61. For those that will fight to the death NOT to listen to the truth of where their faith

was born your wasting your time....your right but faith is a strange thing and its not so bad if one does not use it to hurt another so honestly I "TRY" not to argue with someone about their faith being misplaced. For some it helps keep them sane and how can that be a bad thing? Only those that misuse their "personal faith" in order to demand of others to follow the same rule of thumb deserve the bashing.

SMO

[dbonds]

63. You are right.

You can not argue with blind faith. I usually don't get involved in faith discussions, but the christians had just pissed me off that day with their advertising here (in alabama) about boycotting 'The Golden Compass', creating a group of people at the theaters harassing people as the go to see it.

[AuntPatsy]

64. But I agree with your anger on that issue, I swear everytime you turn around

you have these religious nut cases out in droves ordered by their leaders to attempt to stop others from reading or doing or watching they themselves find offensive, they need to get over it already, what they are doing is attempting to "infringe" on the rights of others and that is where any common sense citizen should begin drawing the line in the sand that says "don't cross" no pun intended...

[NMMNG]

28. Excellent list

Thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

[ChickMagic]

32. You're welcome

:7 It certainly points out the folly of their persecution complex.

[YOY]

29. Isn't Madalyn Murray O'Hair dead?

n/t

[ChickMagic]

31. Yeah, she is

This was written quite a while ago.

[CyberPieHole]

33. Atheists are always so pushy and judgemental....

I hate how they try to proselytize me each and every day.:evilgrin:

[NMMNG]

36. Pardon me,

But could I take a moment of your time to speak to you about the benefits of non-belief?



:P

[gatorboy]

39. Pfffft!

Every other day. :rofl:

[NC_Nurse]

40. Have you been SAVED?

from brainwashing? }(

[walldude]

48. And now they are trying to undermine Christianity with that terrible movie

The Golden Compass

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2418869

Atheists are going to be the death of us if we aren't careful...

[lectrobyte]

41. and don't forget the War On Christmas!

[ChickMagic]

43. How could I have forgotten that?

What with all the atheist mangers getting their
baby Richard Dawkins' stolen and all. :rofl:

[lectrobyte]

47. I'm trying to imagine the media reaction if someone were sworn in on a copy of the God Delusion...

I think it would be something like this:

[Ezlivin]

44. I've already set up the first shot...

[ChickMagic]

46. Good one!

:spray:

[spoony]

51. ...that was humour?

I think the folks at that website, and many people here, need to learn the difference between humour and bitter raving.

[enki23]

62. spoken like a true member of a privileged class

for some of us, "bitter raving" can be humorous. your attempt to belittle the content by namecalling doesn't make your false dichotomy actually apply.

[spoony]

67. What's that? Oh sorry I was just counting my gold.

So glad you taught me how namecalling is wrong by...doing it...lol.

[enki23]

71. there was no namecalling in my post. if i do it, it'll be completely gratuitous

because, in my case, the point would stand as well in spite of it. you, on the other hand, lack substance entirely.

[Bluebear]

55. Frigging atheist tracts all over the place, every airport bathroom, every phone booth...

[hyphenate]

56. Everyone DOES realize this is a humor

piece, don't they? It's sort of like a "reverse day"--everything you say means exactly the opposite. I see some people understanding that, but some of these responses are WAY too serious!

[AuntPatsy]

65. Yes I am sure most do but you can't blame them for taking it serious when every time

you listen to a debate from our so called leaders in this country they push such religious values and or fake morals on the voting public, talking about your personal faith for a politician should be illegal if you ask me...doing such incites the weak minded and gives them a reason to pounce.

[hyphenate]

66. Yeah, I know

from personal experience--one of my best friends turned into a real fundie over the course of a couple of years....this was a public school employee. She used to be smart, but after indoctrination into the fundie cult she was a creationist zombie.

I think that the faith of our leader should be private--that's their own business. But when their "faith" interferes with my rights as a citizen, they should be through, period. It's been a long, hard time with the CinC because he, too, is a zombie and has let the religious right take a very active role in our government.

Many people are probably not even aware that their religion and freedom to express it is part of the first amendment in the Bill of Rights. And too many people believe that this was founded as a "Christian nation" when in truth it was not specifically set up in such a manner. The religious right has waited a very long time to get their way, and unless we can get these assholes out of our government, we're going to be dictated as a theocracy, which will really fuck things up even more than they are already.

[upi402]

70. Exactly OP! Jesus jammies-in-a-bunch full red alert!!!

It's so unfair how Xtians can't deny housing and hospital visitation to the homo's!!! A tragedy.
And they can't oust facts from school books in favor of bullshit fantasy. Ohmuhgod!!!!:wow:

[krispos42]

73. Did somebody say "Jesus-Jammies?!?!?"

http://www.armorofgodpjs.com/




Athiests just use plain Kevlar... :-)

[sandyd921]

74. As a secular Jewish agnostic

I am up to here with the obsession of these Christians over their so-called "persecution"! Can it already! I have always celebrated that I live in a nation where everyone can believe as they wish...until the last decade or so, anyway. Why is it that these people think they have the (divine?) right to stuff their religion down everyone else's throats?

[krispos42]

75. Why, because deep down, we're all just Christians!

Some of us are just being resistive for the sake of being resistive. Some gentle prodding is ALL that's needed to bring us deniers around!!!

And if gentle prodding doesn't work, there's always the rack and the Iron Maiden, yes?