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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:39 PM
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People who scare me are the ones
Edited on Thu Dec-06-07 10:54 PM by mmonk
that have no great problem with the constitutional crimes committed so far (and know about it) and seem unconcerned about them not being addressed. I'm wondering what makes these people calm and at ease without a care in the world? Any of you that are this way, is it because you haven't been arrested or think you are exempt from your constitutional rights being threatened?
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:48 PM
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1. prozac nation
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:50 PM
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2. I need some then.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:31 PM
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16. I must need a much higher dose, then, because I'm bloody well pissed. nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:50 PM
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3. they'll care when it's way too late.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:09 PM
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10. the history of humanity in a nutshell
it's our fatal flaw, and one that we apparently haven't overcome, and possibly never will. :(
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:24 PM
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15. ...until its too late
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:50 PM
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4. It's "people WHO scare me," not "that."
I see this mistake all the time and THAT'S what scares me.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:55 PM
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5. Be scared no more.
Edited it just for you. Rest easy now.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:56 PM
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7. more than the trampling of the constitution? really?
we would disagree on priorities, then.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:55 PM
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6. comatose, complacent, or complicit
pick one.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 10:57 PM
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8. that covers it I think n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:03 PM
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9. I was just wondering what their thinking is (except for complicit).
A false confidence that things just fall back into place or an inability at recognition?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:11 PM
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11. Consuming.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:17 PM
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12. It's kind of like all of us driving our cars, knowing there's global warming.
Maybe not. But that's sort of how I see this. If one really cared about getting rid of this administration, one would be spending all of their energy doing whatever they could to end it. But people are doing all kinds of things. I know what your post is about. And I agree. There are people who chose to not be informed. And some of them even claim to be informed. But to a degree, we are all that way. I happen to have a great sense of frustration from watching people flagrantly drive up and down my street all day long. Some I see four times. Just what the hell are they doing that they have to drive four or more times? I think. I consolidate my trips. I fill up my tank very rarely. But I do drive. But only when I absolutely have to. The same goes for politics. So many are so stupid. Politically illiterate. It's not just confined to politics. I think that's what I'm trying to point out. Maybe I'm worn out from this day. I sort of forgot why I even mentioned this. It's just a parallel. Or maybe I'm saying that things are actually worse than you think. There really are a bunch of fucking idiots roaming the planet. In fact, I'm worried that may be the case. I'm quite stunned by much of what I see. And it's true that there are many of them who seem to not care that something very serious is happening.

Oh well. It's very wearing. It's how Reagan got a second term. I still can't believe that.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:19 PM
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13. Anyone without alarm bells going off in their head:
1. Are making out really well in the current scenario, and don't want to rock their boat; or

2. Have much bigger personal issues to deal with; or

3. Lack the ability to make sense of what is actually going on; or

4. Are just fucking lazy.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:24 PM
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14. 5. are susceptible to propaganda
don't underestimate the power of propaganda.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:32 PM
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17. The psy ops is amazing to me.
It's like a brain wipe or something.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-06-07 11:48 PM
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18. truly. Especially since propaganda is a known quantity.
I mean, in Nazi Germany, propaganda was relatively new and the population relatively naive to its use.
But we've had decades to become immune to it simply by recognizing it for what it is.

some must be willfully ignorant.

I can recognize propaganda a mile off, even when its propaganda for a cause I believe it, I still know what it is and what its doing.


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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-07-07 12:16 AM
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19. Aldous Huxley wrote a prophetic essay on the subject (fifty years ago)
Edited on Fri Dec-07-07 12:23 AM by foo_bar
IV. Propaganda in a Democratic Society

There are two kinds of propaganda -- rational propa­ganda in favor of action that is consonant with the enlightened self-interest of those who make it and those to whom it is addressed, and non-rational propa­ganda that is not consonant with anybody's enlight­ened self-interest, but is dictated by, and appeals to, passion. Where the actions of individuals are con­cerned there are motives more exalted than enlight­ened self-interest, but where collective action has to be taken in the fields of politics and economics, enlight­ened self-interest is probably the highest of effective motives. If politicians and their constituents always acted to promote their own or their country's long-range self-interest, this world would be an earthly paradise. As it is, they often act against their own inter­ests, merely to gratify their least creditable passions; the world, in consequence, is a place of misery. Propa­ganda in favor of action that is consonant with en­lightened self-interest appeals to reason by means of logical arguments based upon the best available evi­dence fully and honestly set forth. Propaganda in fa­vor of action dictated by the impulses that are below self-interest offers false, garbled or incomplete evi­dence, avoids logical argument and seeks to influence its victims by the mere repetition of catchwords, by the furious denunciation of foreign or domestic scape­goats, and by cunningly associating the lowest pas­sions with the highest ideals, so that atrocities come to be perpetrated in the name of God and the most cyni­cal kind of Realpolitik is treated as a matter of reli­gious principle and patriotic duty.

<...>

In regard to propaganda the early advocates of uni­versal literacy and a free press envisaged only two possibilities: the propaganda might be true, or it might be false. They did not foresee what in fact has happened, above all in our Western capitalist democra­cies -- the development of a vast mass communications industry, concerned in the main neither with the true nor the false, but with the unreal, the more or less totally irrelevant. In a word, they failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions.

In the past most people never got a chance of fully satisfying this appetite. They might long for distrac­tions, but the distractions were not provided. Christmas came but once a year, feasts were "solemn and rare," there were few readers and very little to read, and the nearest approach to a neighborhood movie theater was the parish church, where the per­formances, though frequent, were somewhat monoto­nous. For conditions even remotely comparable to those now prevailing we must return to imperial Rome, where the populace was kept in good humor by frequent, gratuitous doses of many kinds of entertain­ment -- from poetical dramas to gladiatorial fights, from recitations of Virgil to all-out boxing, from con­certs to military reviews and public executions. But even in Rome there was nothing like the non-stop dis­traction now provided by newspapers and magazines, by radio, television and the cinema. In Brave New World non-stop distractions of the most fascinating nature (the feelies, orgy-porgy, centrifugal bumble-puppy) are deliberately used as instruments of policy, for the purpose of preventing people from paying too much attention to the realities of the social and polit­ical situation. The other world of religion is different from the other world of entertainment; but they resem­ble one another in being most decidedly "not of this world." Both are distractions and, if lived in too con­tinuously, both can become, in Marx's phrase, "the opium of the people" and so a threat to freedom. Only the vigilant can maintain their liberties, and only those who are constantly and intelligently on the spot can hope to govern themselves effectively by demo­cratic procedures. A society, most of whose members spend a great part of their time, not on the spot, not here and now and in the calculable future, but some­where else, in the irrelevant other worlds of sport and soap opera, of mythology and metaphysical fantasy, will find it hard to resist the encroachments of those who would manipulate and control it.

In their propaganda today's dictators rely for the most part on repetition, suppression and rationaliza­tion -- the repetition of catchwords which they wish to be accepted as true, the suppression of facts which they wish to be ignored, the arousal and rationaliza­tion of passions which may be used in the interests of the Party or the State. As the art and science of manip­ulation come to be better understood, the dictators of the future will doubtless learn to combine these tech­niques with the non-stop distractions which, in the West, are now threatening to drown in a sea of irrele­vance the rational propaganda essential to the mainten­ance of individual liberty and the survival of demo­cratic institutions.

http://www.huxley.net/bnw-revisited/index.html (1958)

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