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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:19 AM
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Point and Clique
I'm given to understand there are cliques here on DU, and particularly in GD. Now I must admit to some ignorance of this fact, since that's always been one of the social things I never quite got, being the near-perpetual outsider I've always been. Even back in school I missed a lot of the clique thing. I hung out with people I liked and rarely played politics with friendship, though I understand that a lot of people did.

I don't know if things have gotten better or worse since I went to school and, frankly, I doubt I'd understand it all one way or another. I never liked the notion of someone else deciding who I could associate with and for what reasons.

Now I can see the supporters of certain candidates congregating in certain threads--particularly those of a positive nature about said candidate, or in threads that are negative about that candidate. But is that cliquish? I would say not.

Not even my own threads, even the ones that have high Rec counts or those that generate a lot of discussion (I get more of the former than the latter for some reason) attract a list of the usual suspects, except, perhaps, those that fall into the category mentioned above--that have something to say positive about my chosen candidate.

Are there cliques here? Am I that blind to it that I don't recognize them? I'm not kidding about being blind to them--in a local organization to which my wife and I belong, certain similar accusations have arisen from time to time and I was as puzzled by that as I am here. I suppose there might be, but I'm usually the one either sitting on the fringes by myself or the one wandering around striking up conversations with different folks, or joining in interesting conversations I hear as I'm wandering past. I'm afraid this sort of social engagement mystifies me.

Hell, I imagine there are cliques at work, but, as one of the old men of the place, I'm not included in the politics. Thank gawd. The less I know about who's on the outs with whom for what, the happier I'll be. I don't play favorites and seem to be universally liked and trusted and that's good enough for me.

Here it's not so much about personalities, I'd imagine, since, with a few exceptions, one can't really judge the personalities because you don't know if they're real or not. I'd like to think it's more about ideas, but, that might be my social naivete speaking again.

If my two and a half years in this place has taught me anything, it's that I can ferociously disagree with someone about one subject, yet agree just as ferociously about another. With a few exceptions. There are always exceptions.

I appear to be having an introspective night. Should make for some interesting posts in the next hour or so.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:53 AM
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1. I don't know who has "given you to understand" such a thing.
I have been here for some years and have never considered such an idea. Some people tend to see eye-to-eye or grow to trust and/or respect one another over time.

I have not seen "cliques", and wonder what sort of person would "give you to understand" such a thing.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:05 AM
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3. Not one person...
I've seen the accusation pop up from time to time. I've never seen evidence of it, but then again, I wouldn't.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:11 AM
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4. I see, "not one person" told you "there are cliques at work".
You have never seen evidence of it, but post it anyway. Why?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:14 AM
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5. I was using your phrasing...
Not "one" person. I've seen it mentioned a few times and I was wondering if I was just missing something or if some people were manufacturing something that didn't really exist.

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:26 AM
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6. I haven't seen any such accusation posted, except yours.
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 04:30 AM by troubleinwinter
You claim to be "an outsider" with 13,000 posts, and have "mentioned a few times" this accusation?

Why "mention it a few times" if you've seen no evidence of it? If you have no idea "if some people were manufacturing something that didn't really exist", when you have never seen it, do you need to keep on posting such an assertion about DUers "a few times"?

Gads.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:31 AM
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7. Are you trying to pick a fight?
I said I've seen it mentioned and was wondering if the fact that I didn't see it myself was because I don't seem to be ABLE to see it, or if it wasn't there to see in the first place.

As should have been clear from my ORIGINAL post.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:41 AM
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8. No, I think you are making stupid assertions "several times"
about there being "cliques". You say that you have never seen it, but still have to post the supposed claim.

Since you have posted "several times" about it, but admit you have never seen any such thing, can you quit posting the accusation until you actually see such a thing? Or do you prefer to continue to post supposed annonymous smears against DUers?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:55 AM
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10. I've asked a question.
Once. Just now. No more. I've seen it mentioned here and there a few times, and I was curious if I was missing something. As I have repeatedly said here in this thread.

I'm not "smearing" anyone by asking a fucking question. As I stated originally, I've seen the accusation leveled against DU and GD in particular and was wondering if there was any truth to it because I CAN'T SEE IT, and might not even if it WERE true.

I don't know where the hell you're getting the idea that I've brought this up multiple times. I certainly never said it. I've mentioned it once. Here. In this thread. That's all.

:wtf:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:49 AM
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9. No, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I think your OP did.
"I'm given to understand there are cliques here on DU"
"I imagine there are cliques at work"
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:56 AM
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11. at work...
Where I work.

You know, the place people go to get a paycheck?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:21 AM
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14. I've seen it mentioned, too. You're not imagining that.
And there are people who are 'reliable' about certain issues. Anyone reading the board can see that. If that is a 'clique' or not I don't know--perhaps it's a band, or a group, or a gang. Whatever.

Someone wants to fight with you, I see. My sympathies.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:04 AM
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2. I'm terrible with names.. I could never be cliquish online..
That said, most sites like this do tend to generate a group of usual suspects..

A lot of folks on here use the same avatar which I am used to using as an identifier, so I do get confused a lot.. "the one with the Hillary avatar" is obviously not going to be effective way to identify someone..

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:02 AM
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12. There are cliques everywhere you go with good-sized numbers of people.
People group up for protection when they're scared. That's it.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:16 AM
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13. I currently suspect that I'm in a clique.
I'm building up the courage to ask, myself.
I'm not sure I want to be, in one, because
I'm a rebel and it's a trap. Although
there is a cozy aspect to it, too, I don't want
to be embarrassed, which I would be if I ask
and it turns out I'm not.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:46 AM
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15. Great title.
Yes, there are cliques here. Go spend a night in The Lounge. You'll get a Ph.D-level seminar on the topic.

:toast:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:50 AM
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16. The Lounge is a tongue-in-cheek clique. They joke about how gross GD is.
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 06:50 AM by Perry Logan
Not that they don't have a point.
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