Jeanne Assam: God did it.

[Subdivisions]

I'm so sick of this attribution to some fantastical God. Sorry.

(Jeanne Assam is the security guard who shot to death the shooter at the Colorado church, but according to her "God" pulled the trigger.)

[Buzz Clik]

1. Ah. A new twist: guns don't kill people, God does.

Assam's efficient execution of her job under the circumstances was admirable. If her way of accepting the outcome is to put it at God's feet, I guess that's okay.

[Subdivisions]

2. But who is this "God"?

[malaise]

3. The NRA n/t

[Mike Daniels]

4. Agreed - If the woman wants to give God credit for helping her stop a massacre

that's her perogrative.

People get too bent out of shape over people giving God credit for their personal achievements.

[Squatch]

5. There are at least three threads devoted to this absolutely ASININE topic

Do us all a favor, perform a cursory thread search, and contribute to one of those instead of starting this shit all over again.

[iamahaingttta]

6. I think that's ASSAMine.

I you know what I mean...

[Subdivisions]

8. How goddamn rude! n/t

[Squatch]

9. As is your holier-than-thou (sic) diatribe railing against the personal beliefs

of somebody else.

[ret5hd]

11. Carefull...

You sound like you're on the verge of being "persecuted".

[spanone]

7. she asked the holy spirit to help her kill this guy....

[TalkingDog]

10. Yes, God pulled all the triggers.

He pulls all the triggers on all the guns in the universe.

The ones that killed rebels and insurgents and black teenagers and babies and suiciders and jealous lovers and drunken brawlers. God did it.

The thing I've never understood about people (until recently) is how they fail to see those types of statements as blasphemous. In any other era, they would have been stoned for suggesting they were touched in any way by God. That God had an interest in their lives or a plan for their well-being. That blessing was reserved for Holy Men and Royalty.

Jesus began the democratization of the sacred. The Gnostics carried the banner, the Church tightened the reins. But eventually liberalism and democracy won out as it inevitably does.

The law of unintended consequences now has people putting sacred verses from their holy books in places of public filth (toilets)and putting mass produced, retail purchased stickers on vehicles they use for daily, mundane tasks with images of their God.

Very few of these people actually have a concept of the Holy, of the Sacred. Over time it has become the intellectual and emotional equivalent of their favorite sports team. The Pentacostals' mascot is the cross and flame, the Catholics go for the BVM. Woo-hoo! Let's put it on a tee-shirt and sell a few thousand.

And although I have absolutely no fondness for Mormanism I do give them credit for understanding and promoting the concept of a sacred space. And of the American religions, the Quakers also do a good job.

People who consider the sacred, who ponder the ineffable, can only hope that they would be found worthy enough to feel the awful presence of that which Is.

Yet God helped this woman take a life.

Sorry...I got nothin'.

My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

[Breeze54]

12. She told me she was courageous! So did her side kick!

They told me that today during their interview this morning, so it must be so. :eyes:

She did save people through her actions but this 'patting herself on the back' was obnoxious.

[SharkSquid]

13. She did her job

Let her believe that G-d helped her do it well. She stopped a sick man from taking more lives. Good on her, and good on Jesus, or whatever.

[zabet]

14. But....

why didn't God prevent
it all from happening
to start with? Why didn't
he heal the dead before he
left?

[SharkSquid]

15. Wow your philosophic analysis

is so deep, I think I might just cry at it's profundity :)

I dont have time to play theodicy games today. Perhaps some other time on the religion boards.

[zabet]

20. It was...

'playing the devil's
advocate'. :eyes:

[SharkSquid]

27. Clearly you know how to do the eye roll

but can not apply the sacasm tag or devils smiley to avoid the flame.

Or are you just trying to duck out.

[zabet]

30. I did not use the sarcasm smilie because...

if I did, I would not have gotten
a knee-jerk reactionary poster to
rise to the bait.

:rofl:

edit to add: And there is no fun
like knee-jerk reactionary fun!!!

[SharkSquid]

31. So you go around baiting people

By saying inflamatory stuff.

Sounds like you belong under a bridge :)

[zabet]

35. Waaaaaaaahhh!!!!!!!

I confess!!!
You caught me!!!
I am shamed!!!!
:rofl:

The whole point being,
sometimes you need to just
step back and laugh while
looking at the big picture
from a different angle. It
is a good mental exercise.

Besides that, I bet you good
money you can search DU and not
find one example of me being
a troll. I said 'baited' because
I figured you would let it lay
after that. Sadly, I over estimated
you.

[SharkSquid]

37. Oh I am sorry

I forgot my Sarcasm tag,
I was just "baiting" you to see if you would go further in insulting me...

Happily I had you guessed just right...


OK Im done :patriot:

[zabet]

39. Surely you saw the humor

in my post. I even put
the rofl smilie in it.
I am so depressed now,
my whole day will suck,
I hope you are happy.
:cry:




Muwhahahahah
:rofl:

:hi:

[Squatch]

33. Yeah....riiiiiight.

Let me just go ahead and raise the bullshit flag on that one.

[zabet]

36. See !!

You got it!!
;)
Without the sarcasm tag!!

[Squatch]

16. The answer to that lies in YOUR own faith and is between YOU and YOUR god

It takes a monumentally intolerant and small-minded asshole to ridicule another for professions of their beliefs. You're not one of those kinds of people, are you?

[SharkSquid]

17. Looks like it

Like the Squidbilly in his Avatar.

[zabet]

19. Judge not. nt

[SharkSquid]

26. Lest I be

I get judged plenty on here, I think I am due to do some judgin'.

[zabet]

29. Nope...

Judge not is the rule. Not
judge when you get judged x
amount of times.

[zabet]

21. Judge not .....

I not once ridiculed the woman's
believe. You do not know that I
have been a Christian for many, many
years. You do not know that as a
Christian, I know the arguments the
non-believers will use. You do not
know that I have studied Christian
theology and history.
You do not know me.
Your ability to make quantum leaps
in reasoning is quite amazing.

[SharkSquid]

25. Merry Christmas to us then

That is what the sarcasm tag is for.

Peace out Squidbilly

[zabet]

28. ....

Nevermind. It doesn't mean
that much to me, to mean that
much to you.

[slackmaster]

23. Sometimes God is a dick

:shrug:

[zabet]

24. ...

:spray:

[tularetom]

18. Why does a "christian church"

need an armed security guard in the first place?

[Subdivisions]

22. Because you never know when God may feel the

need to send in a lunatic to shoot up the joint so that He can steady the hand of said security guard as she blows the lunatic away.

Edited: To capitalize "He".

[piedmont]

32. Why do DUers

need to ask questions that have been answered many times already, in threads already devoted to those questions?

[benEzra]

41. Apparently this one sure did... (n/t)

[rasputin1952]

34. Well....I get the distinct impression God did not pull the trigger....

but if that is what she wants to believe, that is her perogative...all I know is that her being there, and acting when action was necessary is what matters. I see no reason to be offended by her statement...I do believe the "offense" is self imposed. Just as you don't see her POV, no one needs to meet yours.

Personally, I would have tried to severely wound him nor kill him, as I would want to know why he was there.

[DS1]

38. I'd call it adrenaline

but, whatever works for her.

[Zorra]

40. Great lyrics from the Eagles new CD:

And we pray to our Lord
Who we know is American
He reigns from on high
He speaks to us through middlemen
And he shepherds his flock
We sing out and we praise His name
He supports us in war
He presides over football games
And the right will prevail
All our troubles shall be resolved
We have faith in the Lord
Unless there's money or sex involved

From the tune "Frail Grasp on the Big Picture"