Kucinich Preparing 50 Page Document: "Articles Of Impeachment" Of Bush For Submission To House

[kpete]

Kucinich addresses many issues at Reno rally
JAMES BALL
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL

Touching on issues ranging from Yucca Mountain to the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq, presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich spoke to a crowd of several hundred people in Reno Saturday.

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"On the way over here, I was reading a 50-page document that relates to Articles of Impeachment for the President of the United States," Kucinich said to a standing ovation. "And I want you to know that I'm actually preparing this document for submission to the House."

Kucinich said under the current administration, citizen's rights to due process and fair trial are in jeopardy.

"This is a moment when we're called upon to reclaim our country," he said. "You give me your vote, I'll give you back your country."

more at:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/NEWS/712090343/1321

[Occam Bandage]

1. Thank you for your inspiring and useless gesture, DK.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. At least he's trying. More than I can say for most people on the Hill.

[Occam Bandage]

5. His greatest virtue. He doesn't quit. Our leadership could use more of that.

[mmonk]

8. It's only useless because the congress is.

[Occam Bandage]

10. Agreed. But since we are aware that the makeup of Congress is not conducive to

impeachment, perhaps we should refocus our efforts on what victories would be possible.

[mikelgb]

11. tell your candidate to shut up about impeachment then

leave mine alone

Go Dennis

[Occam Bandage]

12. Were there an unprovoked attack on Iran, I would think that the political climate

would shift just a bit.

[kenfrequed]

65. uhm

What is the difference?

If Iran is wrong than why wasn't Iraq? I mean it is nice to seem some strong talk here, but really it only took place AFTER the CIA and the intelligence agency decided to push back against Bush and put the Iran info on the NIE.

Rather than straw counting maybe Biden should just get on board and call for impeachment now. I garauntee his numbers will look better if he does. This measured if-then response just doesnt really cut it in my mind.

What would be criminal about going to war with Iran that wasn't with regards to Iraq?

[mmonk]

13. Since they have the numbers to impeach, maybe they ought to make

the democrats that support bush/Cheney and their crimes to quit supporting them.

[Occam Bandage]

16. Since they don't have the numbers to convict, impeachment would be a pointless exercise.

[mmonk]

22. Only to people who feel the constitution isn't worth trying to save.

I'm at a crossroads with this party. If it doesn't shape up and stand for the rule of law, human decency and human rights very soon, I'm out.

[Occam Bandage]

23. And once Bush has been acquitted by the Senate, what has been saved?

[DearAbby]

31. what's the numbers for the next powerball

since you know exactly how they will vote, come that moment...when everything comes down to supporting this president and his war...or re-election. How will they vote? and what are the powerball numbers for this coming saturday?

[Joe Fields]

36. It remains to be seen, as to whether they could convict or not.

There is a little matter of evidence gathering and consensus building that needs to happen first. You want to skip to the vote without going through the process, and that makes no sense.

[donf]

19. When are Democrats going to realize

that the evidence that would come out of impeachment hearings would finally force the MSM to report on the administration's crimes, whether they want to or not. We have to keep in mind that the vast majority of the American people do not pay attention to politics with the same (almost fanatical) intensity of the average DU reader. The revelations that would come out of impeachment hearings would make Watergate look like jaywalking – and we saw the effect those hearings had on the public at large. As the public becomes aware that our allegations about this administration are true, and not just political whining and rumor-mongering, the people will demand action be taken against B*sh, et al. Remember, the only thing our "representatives" crave as much as corporate money, is votes. If enough Americans are shaken from their sleep by the exposure of what these criminals and traitors have done, they will make it known that they will hold Congress accountable at the polls for their lack of courage to act. Once impeachment hearings start, the swing toward the Democrats in 2006 will seem like a ripple on a pond compared to the tidal wave which would follow.

It is time the American people realized that this administration, and the forces that drive it, are as great a danger to American democracy and freedom as was King George III, and we need to act with the same sense of urgency as did the founding fathers. (And no, I'm not advocating violent overthrow.) If the Democratic leadership is still unwilling to hold the B*sh administration accountable, the only logical conclusion is that they are complicit in B*sh's crimes. In which case we need to clean house of all the incumbents of both parties who are unwilling to defend the Constitution and the American people!

And, oh yeah, vote for Kucinich. True universal, single payer health care, his refusal to be bought by corporate money, and the dogged determination to hold these criminals accountable for their crimes are reasons enough! How much longer will we settle for being barbarians compared to the rest of the "developed" countries of the world? It is time to take our country back!

[Occam Bandage]

20. The same day that is actually a correct analysis of the situation.

That is to say, probably never. Betting on the public to rouse from their slumber and take up the sword and shield is a losing game.

[Hidden Stillness]

25. Agree on This--Just Start Hearings, and the Rest Will Follow

I also agree with this, that if you want to really encourage some anger at this Administration, and action toward throwing it out and returning some laws and protections, you have to just start a lot of Congressional hearings, covering all the issues, all their crimes--not just Iraq always--and giving people a steady, slow diet of uncovered information, that will increase the burning rage about everything that has been done. If you remember Watergate, you may remember that the majority of people were not angry and calling for Nixon to be removed, until all the Senate (Ervin) and later House (Rodino) hearings and testimony. Most people will always be unaware of most of the content of a subject unless you put it right out there, and deliver it to them easily and conveniently. Not necessarily because they are so "stupid," but because they will remain uninterested UNTIL they realize that there is something huge and terrible going on here!

This process might have been started with the Patrick Fitzgerald "investigation" of the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson persecution, but "oddly," it never extended to Cheney, who was obviously the only one who could have ordered it, (just like the Taguba abu Ghraib "investigation," where Taguba was not allowed to talk to anyone higher up). You might even start with an investigation of the suspicious behavior of Fitzgerald. Agian, though, I agree--just get the process started, of one outrageous revelation of crime after another, and things will begin to build, once people who do not follow the news now realize there is something going on here.

[Reader Rabbit]

26. Bingo! In 1776, only 40% of Americans supported Independence.

If the Continental Congress had been as wishy-washy as our representatives today, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. What kind of people have Americans become, that we're only willing to fight battles that we're sure we can win?

It's an absolute triumph of complacency over integrity. And it's appalling.

[Frisbee]

54. I disagree..

There are still some Americans willing to fight a battle they can't win. Well, at least they're willing to send OTHER peoples sons and daughters to fight it. Unfortunately, these people are currently in the White House.

[alllyingwhores]

What victories are possible?

Any bill is simply vetoed...or, if it's veto proof, the asshole simply writes a signing statement and/or gets an opinion written by the OLC and does what he wants.

Oh...the presidential victory...the one where the Democratic leadership keeps all of the current administration's lies and illegal activity hush hush so they can install their own complicit DLC corporate whore in the White House...that's right, that victory.

Reply to #10

[Toots]

59. Why is the makeup of Congress not conducive to Impeachment?

Democrats have a good sized Majority and all it takes to Impeach is a Majority vote. Are you suggesting that Democrats will vote against Impeachment? Removal from office is another matter entirely and I am under no illusions that Republicans will allow that to happen but it should be registered in the History books that the American People by Majority vote felt these people are unfit for office. At least they could do that...

[Orsino]

61. Nothing else that is possible suffices.

Impeachment it is, or nothing. I applaud Kucinich for not taking the easy way out.

[kenfrequed]

62. Well

Since we tried passing EVERYTHING else we wanted and whether we allowed Hoyer and Rahm's crew to undercut us, or the republicans in congress took liberties in blocking legislation that they never allowed for us, we have very little to show for it. Crumbs of legislation really.

What else is there?

Compromising with them?

I wonder what we could get for gutting half of the remaining EPA or Department of Education? Or increasing funding for the war by half as much as they want to. Would they let us raise the income caps on the social security tax by a few thousand dollars if we would only pass another capital gains tax relief for multimillionaire investers.

I honestly don't know of another way to stand up to the administration in a public way that could capture the imagination of the public, wake up the media from stupid 'process stories,' and hold repugnik legislators feet to the fire for their unwavering support for bush.

[defendandprotect]

40. Yeah, how could Bush's lies/wars/torture/wiretapping be compared with ....

either Clinton's penis or Nixon's Watergate --- ??? !!!!

[LanternWaste]

21. Much like the moon landing...

"inspiring and useless gesture"

Much like the moon landing-- if one is looking only for immediate and direct results (which is understandable in today's world that demands satisfaction in 30 seconds or less).

But if one looks beyond the here and the now, the word "useless" becomes less and less relevant...

[Occam Bandage]

24. At least the moon landing brought with it

a host of technological breakthroughs and innovations, as well as a greater understanding of aeronautics, rocketry, physics, and engineering.

I don't exactly see a failed impeachment bid having quite the same effect. Or any effect, really, besides bolstering Republican prospects for '08.

[defendandprotect]

41. What moon landing ---?? Another profiteering adventure --- now into Star Wars arena!!!

And, of course, more lies and corruption there --- !!!

[Cronopio]

35. He's crazy in a good way, then.

Like that old man in Miracle on 34th Street - what a noble, beautiful nutcase.

A la Prince, "When the elevator tries to bring you down, go crazy, punch a higher floor!"

[cyclezealot]

48. Protecting our Constitution a useless gesture

when our liberties are in jeopardy. Some of us take the pledge to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States seriously. Funny, even some conservatives take that pledge seriously, such as Bruce Feinn. But, not most Democrats. Thank You Dk for giving the Democratic party a soul.

[rocktivity]

64. It's not useless. It goes on public record

Which we can use to tar the Repubs with in November. Jon Corzine became NJ governor by ten points by describing his opponent as "Bush's choice--is he yours?"

Besides, what's wrong with doing the right thing simply BECAUSE it's the right thing to do?

:headbang:
rocknation

[Lerkfish]

68. thanks for your noninspiring and useless post, OB

[Cleita]

3. Keep trying Dennis and force Congress to start

investigations.

[cyclezealot]

49. is it not odd

a majority of American's favor impeachment , but not the Democratic leadership.

[pokercat999]

53. I think the reason is obvious, the are complicit in Bush's

crimes against the constitution and humanity. To impeach him would reveal their part in the crimes and make them vulnerable to the same criminal charges.

[rocktivity]

66. That's why Nancy HAS to get out of way now

and call in an independent prosecutor.

:headbang:
rocknation

[cyclezealot]

75. and now we learn

Pelosi knew about Waterboarding years ago. No wonder she is not interested in impeachment. She is in collusion.

[onenote]

55. you have a link to support that claim?

The most recent poll on impeachment that I've seen indicates that even among Democrats, its just 50/50 as to whether chimpy should be impeached and removed from office (although a substantial majority of Dems believe that impeachable offenses have been committed). Overall, the poll indicates that 1/3 support impeachment and removal, 1/3 don't think chimpy's done anything wrong, and 1/3 think that absues have been committed but that those abuses either aren't impeachable or that they are impeachable, but still don't support impeachment.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[polichick]

4. Glad there are still one or two Dem gems in DC...

Those we thought were only chickenshit enablers look more and more guilty in their complicity ~ let's see how many of our other candidates have the integrity and courage to join Dennis.

[porphyrian]

6. I'll kick that. -n/t

[flvegan]

7. "You give me your vote, I'll give you back your country."

I believe him.

[NorthCarolina]

67. I Believe Him Too

GO DENNIS :patriot:

[katadin706]

9. Courage and Leadership: Kucinich

We've been waiting for someone like Dennis. He deserves our support!

[pberq]

14. Go Dennis! - a member of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party

This gesture is NOT useless, as suggested above.

Maybe it won't be brought to a vote by the House, but nevertheless, Dennis is using his position to fight for truth and justice, and this DOES have an effect, IMO.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. A hero and true American

Now if more congresscritters can get up their courage, we can go on with what should have been done years ago.

[magellan]

17. "You give me your vote, I'll give you back your country."

:wow: Powerful words. He had my vote at "impeach Cheney".

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. Dennis Kucinich is a true patriot. Too bad there's not more like him

who cares more about our Country than they do about their own financial interests.

[ecstatic]

27. He's been drafting stuff for years. Is anyone still fooled by this?

Kucinich just wants to keep his job and a small following of fans online. Don't get me wrong, I've wanted impeachment but none of them are going to give it to us.

[flycessnas]

46. There Are...

...some people in Cleveland who are sick and tired of the routine and want to get rid of him next time around. His district and the rest of that region are hurting because of the depression (yes, that's the word I wanted to use) in manufacturing and he seems to be using it to propel his career...just as he did during the late seventies as mayor.

[ClintonTyree]

52. Carrot on the stick...

we've been hearing this for.....how long from Dennis? :shrug: With a year to go in Bush's final term would introducing articles of impeachment early next year even matter any more? For the purists, perhaps. But as a way to stop the Bush regime....that ship has already sailed.

Dennis continues to dangle this red meat Liberal issue in front of his adoring fans but nothing ever seems to come of it. I hear talk, but see no action. The time for action on this is long gone.

[Kurovski]

28. K&R. (nt)

[EVDebs]

29. kpete, today you're on a tear ! another vote for 'Greatest page'

this is like your third excellent posting. levymg has a goody too.

[windoe]

30. 50 pages of crimes

-HELLO!! Anyone awake in the House? Pass the defibrillator.....

[rjones2818]

32. I can hardly wait.

A) Dennis is the only Dem candidate with any courage (perhaps Mike).
B) He's not a coward, as are virtually all of the 'leaders' in the Dem party.
C) If you love the Constitution, support his ass, 'cause nobody else is going to go after the swine.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

[femrap]

33. Why don't the Dems in DC see that

the only way to change course in this country is to Impeach these 2 warmongers? While they are in office, we can't get out of Iraq, change the health care system, fix our infrastructure, and on and on and on.

[maxanne]

34. more broken promises

We voted the new crop of Dems in to end the war. Instead, the party hierarchy has very cynically chosen to keep the war going, so that the Dems could run on it in 2008.

They don't want impeachment - because they need Bush/Cheney to shore up their chances to win back the White House. The last thing the gatekeepers want is real change.

[defendandprotect]

42. Simply a case of not seeing and hearing what one doesn't want to see or hear ---

[tekisui]

37. I didn't see this earlier. Go, Dennis!

Impeach the Mother Fuckers Already!

[defendandprotect]

38. And they didn't even "brief" him on TORTURE or WIRETAPPING --- !!!!

[defendandprotect]

39. Thank you Dennis Kucinich --- !!!

[Mosaic]

43. There must be impeachment

Or there is no justice in this country. Warmongers need to be punished, period.

Best of luck Dennis, you're number one and you know it no matter who gets the nomination.

[iburl]

44. KUCINICH, When we rag on the do-nothing....

corrupt democrats, we don't mean you. Thanks for doing what is right and legal. There are a few other good eggs who still have some respect for our constitution, but not Nancy and not Harry.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. Yeah baby!

:kick:

[Gamey]

47. I SUPPORT DENNIS

[earth mom]

50. K & R!

:kick:

[FREEWILL56]

51. You are doing the right thing DK.

I was just saying last night on another forum that he needs to go after bush too or cheney will just be pardoned like scooter was. I think that presidential pardons should also be addressed by the next president as it is too easy for scum to be allowed to prosper in their crimes without punishment. Maybe have the congress be able to overide it if a 2/3rds majority vote or at the very least write into it limitations so as to try and curb abuses of pardons by presidents.

[theFrankFactor]

56. Wow! If Only it Really Mattered. eom

[lonestarnot]

57. Woot Dennis! There is some WOOT!

[JuniperLea]

76. You know "Woot" is now officially a word!

Woot!

[tomreedtoon]

58. (sigh) I guess he's going to post it here.

At fifty typewritten pages, undoubtedly single-spaced and without paragraphs, it'll STILL be shorter than most of the posts from people who have just discovered how wrong Bush is, and can't resist talking about it.

And just like all the similar, shorter posts described above, it won't actually change anything, since it's only talking to the people who agree with it. It won't mean a damned thing to the people that NEED to be convinced, the people who don't read anything on DU.

[whistle]

60. This is long overdue, thank you Dennis Kucinich....K&R

:applause:

[theFrankFactor]

63. Since We Took the Majority What Have We Accomplished?

I'm just askin'. Fill me in please, I WANT to know.

[SlingBlade]

69. The Bravest Man in the House

Yet the media and his own party minimizes the work this man has done for democracy all these years.

Go Dennis, You are a true Democrat and an inspiration,:yourock:

[Justyce]

70. Is there even enough time left in their term to impeach them?

I know it's an important statement, that a president & his VP can't commit crimes without some sort of consequence, but I sure wish someone had done this years ago! Better late than never though.

[Cleita]

72. They have time to set up investigations.

It's the only way we will find out the absolute truth about this administration so if need be civil suits can be thrown at them if we can't impeach. I don't agree with Rep. Waxman that history will judge them. That's what was said about the Nixon administration and look they all came back. This time we have to make sure they never come back because they are serving their time in prison or are so discredited we never hear from them again.

[Justyce]

73. Very true. I just hope more can come out of it

than an investigation. I don't think impeachment is even enough -- they deserve maximum jail time. Of course I'm not holding my breath for that...

[Javaman]

71. will this one be sent to committee too to die as well? nt

[caseycoon]

74. YOU GO DENNIS! :o) n/t