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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:54 AM
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The Winter Solstice. Live Webcast from NewGrange, Ireland.
This could be a breathtaking event if the weather is right.

This is one of those marvels built by the ancient ones that shows they were probably much smarter than we often suppose.


http://www.newgrange.com/webcast.htm
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:56 AM
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1. I visited New Grange a few years ago.
Those neolithic barrows were built to last. You don't see stonework like that any more.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:27 AM
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5. To be there "Live" for the event is done by lottery.
I can't imagine what a thrill it would be to be there in person for this event.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:35 AM
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10. That would be fabulous.
When I went, it was just an ordinary day, but the guide who showed us around described how the sun shines in the entrance of the main barrow on the solstice, along the long entrance corridor and into the central chamber. We were standing in the chamber at the time, and just imagining the effect was spine-chilling.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:55 AM
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14. We lived in Slane
which is the village just over the river from Newgrange, and I'm sorry to say we never visited the site, and we were there about 18 months! Big regrets on that.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 06:40 AM
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15. I lived in Dublin...
...and only went to New Grange because a friend dragged me. Of course, I lived in London for 20 years and never saw the inside of the Tower of London, either. :)
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:43 AM
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30. No big deal
The winter solstice has occurred possibly as many as 4 billion times. Homo sapiens has lived through 150,000 winter solstices.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 01:59 AM
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2. You know, I build computers as a hobby.
I've done programming. I can configure home theater equipment.

But when I see what the Egyptians did 5000 years ago, it's frightening. Same thing with Stonehenge and other marvels.

It takes a lot to just make me awestruck to the point of becoming speechless. The day that I learned that the Egyptians had laid out the pyramids in the pattern of the Orion constellation, I was totally at a loss for words.

I'm impressed if I can balance a checkbook. These guys were calculating the rotation of the planet, the moon phases, the size of the planet, etc. Absolutely unbelievable.

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:30 AM
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6. I think most engineers today would be very challenged if they had to do such things.
Especially without the aid of speedy electronic calculations.

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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:33 AM
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9. My dad has a masters in physics and can still sling a slide rule.

He's the smartest guy I've ever met. And I don't think HE could do some of this stuff. (But, then again, he never ceases to amaze me.)
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:59 PM
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22. And when you consider those folks probably didn't even have anything NEAR a slide rule.
They sketched this out in the dirt or on slates.

I think it would be interesting to see if some of our best engineers of today could be as dead on with a design without aid of modern electronic aids. They could just put up a temporary structure of plywood or something.

Just to see if they could do it.

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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 06:06 PM
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24. Most modern engineers are pretty amazing.
But if they were told from scratch to figure out the circumference of the earth without tools, I don't know how many would pull it off.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:12 AM
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27. Define 'tools'
Is a plumbline a tool? A protractor? Yeah, you'd be pretty stuck without those, but so would the ancient Greeks.

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:18 AM
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3. thank you for posting this
it is very peaceful to my soul.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:31 AM
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8. You're welcome.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 02:49 AM by alphafemale
:hi:

I guessed it would be appreciated here.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:22 AM
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4. K & R
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oldgrowth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:31 AM
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7. Do I have the time down 12:30am PT and 3:30 am ET
The live stream will begin at 8.30gmt am on 21st and 22nd December 2007.

To view the webcast you will require Windows Media Player.
:dilemma:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 02:35 AM
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11. The chamber is illuminated from 8:58-9:15am GMT 3:58-4:15am EST
From the site.

If conditions are good the rising sun will illuminate the passage and chamber between 8:58am and 9:15am GMT (Greenwich Mean Time).
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:39 AM
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12. recommend
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:42 AM
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13. wonderful post
thanks. so fascinating

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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:02 AM
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16. Awesome-thanks for sharing this
K&R - and bookmarked for the morning. Thank you!
This year I've really noticed the darkness and it's affect on us, so I can't wait to see the light return.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:02 AM
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17. wonderful
thanks!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:16 AM
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18. Thanks
I sent this to some family and friends
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:29 AM
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19. Thank you!
I did not know about this place. Thank you for informing me. :)
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:14 AM
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20. Forecasts for Saturday morning don't look great, but Friday is good
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 09:16 AM by muriel_volestrangler
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 03:54 PM
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21. Thanks for that info
I was wondering about that.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 05:46 PM
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23. A third of a world time diference here. Google Earth placemarks at this site.
Google Earth placemarks for the newly updated, hi-resolution aerial images on the digital globe:

Bend of the Boyne sites, Newgrange, Knowth, Dowth:
http://jqjacobs.net/archaeo/sites/index.html#europe
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:01 PM
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25. I grew up in OH and those "Mounds" are pretty common.
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 10:01 PM by alphafemale
Most of them were apparently just trash heaps.

Of course, a "trash heap" of a culture can reveal incredibly remarkable things.

The Serpent Mound though is another thing entirely of course.

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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 04:41 AM
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26. That was awesome!
I set my alarm and got up to watch it. I had some problems connecting to the stream, but eventually it worked, and it was well worth the wait. I would love to go there and see it sometime.

Thanks for posting this!
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:57 AM
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28. kick . . . Let's keep this front and center for a day!
The web at its best: both the broadcast and someone informing us about it.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 08:31 AM
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29. kick
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:47 PM
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31. You can also view a recorded broadcast of the event through the posted link. nt
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 02:09 PM
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32. The actual illumination of the chamber begins about the 26 minute mark.
If you don't want to watch the entire thing.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:02 PM
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33. Actually, don't waste your time. Only a few random passage shots.
Very disappointing.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:51 AM
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34. Kick
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:22 AM
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35. It is 6:21 in Ireland and 1:21 in the East US.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:31 AM
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36. less than two hours from now, 12:20 PST, not?
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:43 AM
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37. TOMORROW _ The days start getting longer! Yay!
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