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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:10 AM
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NORTHCOM: Constitution Not Important
NORTHCOM: Constitution Not Important
By Lee Rogers

The United States government is now actively directing the attention of the U.S. military towards the American people. Using the phony war on terror, the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) are creating a militarized control grid specifically to enslave the American people. One thing is clear, neither of these agencies abide by the Constitution. In fact, both agencies by themselves are unconstitutional and should be abolished. Despite this, it is expected that they would at least try to follow the supreme law of the land which is the Constitution regardless of the unconstitutionality of the institutions themselves. Amazingly, NORTHCOM is now openly admitting that they do not follow the Constitution. NORTHCOM recently issued a press release talking about how they handle intelligence oversight and they stated that their goal in conducting intelligence oversight includes ensuring that presidential directives and executive orders are abided by during intelligence gathering operations. Of course, they don't specifically mention anything about abiding by the Constitution. This is disturbing considering the hundreds of unconstitutional executive orders issued by George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and others. In fact some even argue that executive orders by themselves aren't constitutional. If NORTHCOM is saying that the oversight of their intelligence gathering operations consist of ensuring these executive orders and directives are followed, than they are not concerned with following the Constitution.
The following is taken from NORTHCOM's press release on a recent intelligence oversight conference...

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5058
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:29 AM
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1. Which senator was it the other day
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 09:32 AM by Gman
that accused the Democrats of being more interested in defending the constitution than national security. I read and reread the comments several times to be sure that's what he said. My mouth hung wide open.

I wish I were to be alive 50 years from now when the history of all this is written. By then most everything will have been exposed and I would love and hope to see that the American people treat this period of time as the Germans now treat the Nazi era. That includes outlawing anything that has to do with mentioning and/or glorifying Reagan or the Bush family.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:31 AM
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3. Sessions, I believe
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:50 AM
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6. sessions is more than mildy retarded
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:03 PM
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13. He doesn't have to worry about my supposedly Democratic rep
Who just a few days ago asked me which I thought was more important, children's health care or the Constitution....
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:37 PM
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15. The Constitution and children's healthcare?
That's easy.

...they should read that part of the Declaration of Independence that states why people write Constitutions that form governments - to secure our rights - "among which are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Your children's Lives, their health, their Freedom, their Happiness, is the very reason this government was created by US, the People.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:55 PM
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16. Did you tell him that was a false choice?
the two are completely unrelated.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 12:11 AM
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20. If only
I didn't think that fast this time, will endeavour to next time. (I'm trying to learn...)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:31 AM
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2. These people need to have their oaths of office
Tatooed on their fucking foreheads, backwards, so its the first thing they read when they hit the mirror in the morning.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:42 AM
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4. Excellent idea.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 09:45 AM
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5. That's missing the point; they're already quite aware of what they're intentionally subverting
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:08 AM
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7. I know, but having to read it every day might trigger
that last molecule of conscience they haven't sold to someone yet.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:25 PM
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14. And when they seemingly forget again, re-tattoo it.
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 12:25 PM by rosesaylavee
If those don't work, maybe shock collars. Why do they think they were elected in the first place?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:01 AM
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8. kick
nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:13 AM
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9. Raise your hand if you're surprised!
This s*** is so blatant now. It was hard enough to swallow when it was a "secret."
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:31 AM
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10. I too fear these trends, HOWEVER
I think you may be over-interpreting. The language you cite says, " . . . DoD established an Intelligence Oversight program to ensure that all military intelligence, counterintelligence, and intelligence related activities are conducted in accordance with applicable laws, presidential executive orders and DoD directives and regulations." I don't know any interpretation of "applicable laws" that would NOT include the Constitution, which is the fundamental law of the land.

Now you could argue that there's an implication that because "directives" are mentioned after "applicable laws," the author intended to suggest that they would be deemed to override the Constitution to the extent of any conflict, but that seems a bit tenuous to me.

Pls don't flame me; all I'm saying is, I'm not sure this is the declaration I expected from the way you've characterized it. And I'm in full agreement that we need to monitor and think about what they are actually doing, regardless of what they say they're doing.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:56 AM
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12. I agree completely
This interpretation is over the top! So they'll have to flame both of us.

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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 11:36 AM
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11. After All, It IS Just A Piece Of Goddamned Paper.....
:sarcasm:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:01 PM
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17. And all it took was 'another Pearl Harbor' to turn our people into suspected criminals
who don't deserve rights.

That whole 9-11 thing looks more convenient for the fascists all the time. Where would they be without it?
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:58 PM
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18. you dont really think you are free anymore, do you?
the perception of freedom is the greatest lie that has been committed against us. We are not free. We are indentured servants, the lot of us. If you think you are free to do what you want- stop paying taxes. They will take your stuff and send you to prison. Do you think that you are free to come and go? Try leaving the country and then returning without the proper paperwork and persmission from the government.

We are not free, but merely fattened hogs, getting bigger on slop while we wait to be harvested.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:02 PM
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19. The Constitution is not the law of the land....
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 04:02 PM by wildbilln864
anymore! Bush is!
The Constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper!" :banghead:
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