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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:25 PM
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The Secret Dirty Trick
Yesterday I discovered that someone was playing a dirty political trick. I wish I could tell you what that trick was but I can't and I won't. You see, what makes this trick so heinous is that it is only effective if it is exposed. In other words, the trick doesn't work unless I tell you what it is.

I came across the nasty trick while researching a news story that had been posted on DU. While I also won't provide the news story or the post where I read it, I will tell you that the trick involves:

1) Democratic candidate A

2) Democratic candidate B

3) A third party

4) The Internet

The moment I discovered this rat-f*cking trick I was floored. I thought, "This is big. Maybe not lying-us-into-war big, but big enough to make candidate B look very bad". In fact, initially, I thought candidate B was responsible for the trick. I confess, I was severely tempted to tell you all everything I found. Thank goodness I resisted, because the more I researched, the more I became convinced that the true source of the dirty trick was a third party.

To further clarify, I will explain that on the surface, the trick appears as if candidate B is slurring candidate A in a despicable fashion. Unfortunately, this kind of trick involves a knowledge of the web that the average citizen does not possess. Even sadder, the average news reporter also lacks the ability to comprehend the finer details of how this trick can be instigated by a third party. If this trick comes to light, it will probably serve its purpose in hurting the campaign of candidate B - while the third party lurks laughing, unnoticed and unscathed.

I came to DU with my vague suspicions and asked for advice. I read that advice, took it to heart and then took a nap. When I awoke, I did what some had advised and I had already decided to do: I called the campaign office of candidate A.

I was worried that the people working for candidate A would not understand what I had discovered. I was prepared to give a lesson on how this sort of thing works. I was even ready for the candidate A's people to scoff at and discard my warnings. My worries were unfounded.

The campaign worker I spoke to already knew everything about this secret, dirty trick. The whole campaign knows. They even know that there is a third party responsible.

This is where I bow in reverence to the people working for candidate A, as well as the candidate. This person has knowledge of something that could be spun effectively to further their cause. Instead of spinning, they have chosen to stay quiet. Whereas I would hope that if the tables were turned, candidate B would choose to be so ethical, I am not so sure.

As to the third party, they are still a mystery. I will continue to research the information on my own but I have faith that the people working for candidate A are on top of this. They will get to the bottom of it and if this dirty trick is ever exposed, I am positive that they will do the honorable thing and name that third party.

In closing, I suspect that the third party is waiting for an opportune moment to release the information that I found. I will give the third party a fair warning:

They're on to you. They already know what you're trying to pull and you're not going to get away with it.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:34 PM
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1. Well dirty tricks abound by all three top runners so what's the bigt deal.
If you dare say when something comes out about Obama that Hillary didn't do it you are crushed by the few who support him. And then if Edwards get slammed the same thing happens. So the truth will out.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 01:38 PM
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2. ...
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 02:22 PM by blogslut
I refuse to let you pollute this thread.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:42 PM
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3. Who is the third party -- candidate C? nt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:45 PM
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4. I don't know for sure
But I don't think so. I think the third party is either a nefarious individual or someone that crawled out from under the same rock where Karl Rove resides.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:00 PM
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6. Interesting. Do you think this WILL be brought to light? nt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:16 PM
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7. I don't know
I hope not but if I can find this out, any geek can.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:23 PM
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9. Well, I'm guessing if Candidate A has the info and they need to use it, they will.
It's getting pretty dicey.

Although, as you say, there's a question to who the third party is. Maybe that's why Candidate A isn't going forward with this???
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:33 PM
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11. Candidate A's campaign worker made it clear
...that they are pretty sure candidate B is not the one behind this scummy move. I'm not worried about candidate A. I'm worried about someone else discovering this and running to the press with it. As I mentioned, this is the kind of thing that can be spun to make candidate B look very bad, if it falls into the hands of people out to get candidate B.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:03 PM
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13. Ahhh. Gotcha. Well if it DOES come out, hopefully someone will be able to
discover who's REALLY behind it. The Reps come to mind...
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 02:51 PM
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5. great post
I like your sense of humor. You play nicely on everyone's paranoia.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:18 PM
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8. Take it however you wish
However, I am not playing. I am detailing something that is real and trying to do it without naming names.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:31 PM
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10. if its true and you have evidence
why not make your case and present real evidence supporting your allegation. otherwise it just looks like bullshit to me.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 03:38 PM
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12. I presented it to the candidate I mentioned
They verified it for me.

As I said above, simply revealing this is what makes the trick work.

Skepticism is good and I am all for it. Call it bullshit if you want, but if this news comes out, I will resurrect this thread and rub your nose in it like a bad puppy. :)
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:24 PM
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19. If it turns out to be true and you
resurrect this thread and rub my nose in it like a bad puppy, then I will apologize. But I am an old skeptic, and nothing persuades me like evidence.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:58 PM
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22. Fair enough
It is true but I hope that whoever is doing it either loses their nerve or decides the trick was not needed. Maybe after the elections I can tell what I found out. :)
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:45 AM
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25. Here puppy
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:08 PM
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14. My cousin's friend knows exactly how to do this. nt.
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Sock Puppet Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:10 PM
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15. This would have been a great skit on Vaudeville.


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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:10 PM
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16. I have a friend of a friend
who inserted tab A into slot B, and this totally happened. Seriously. I think he's gonna put it on YouTube, but he doesn't have a camera. It totally happened, though. It was awesome. You shoulda been there.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:13 PM
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17. I think I saw a You Tube of someone *trying* to do it...
but it didn't work too well. I heard about your friend's friend. Hoo boy, that was somthing!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 04:28 PM
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18. It's cool
I know I look foolish. I don't care. I'd rather look a fool than be a patsy. I almost got roped in by this. I was ready to spread the dirt and make a mess.

I post this as a warning to the trickster but also as a warning to all of us. Things may not be what they seem. Our Democratic candidates may be playing dirty but someone else is playing dirtier.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:47 PM
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20. So, I assume that you think the trickster is a DUer...
since you posted it here as a warning to them... and although you don't want to be a patsy, you are perfectly willing for other DUers to fall into the trap that you almost fell into.

That will sure be a hoot!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:36 PM
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21. No, I do not think the trickster is a DUer
So, guess again.

I'm sorry the dish isn't to your liking.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:20 PM
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23. I'm like old billyboy-
I should have a handmade sign that says, "Will drool for scoops". :P Heh, heh.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 08:16 PM
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24. As will I
Believe me, I had quite the personal ethical struggle. :hi:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:51 AM
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26. This is why web admins worth a nickel will set their web servers
to only respond to certain domain name requests, and not just reply to anything on a given IP.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:51 AM
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27. That was the "big" news that was on par with, but not quite
lying us into war? I think you milked this one long enough. This to me is not a pimple on a gnats ass worthy and would have been investigated at DU in less than 5 minutes. You really maybe should look to real issues.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:55 AM
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28. I did not put it on par with lying us into war
You're the one making that connection. I said it was a dirty, despicable trick. And it was. And if certain misinformed, sensationalist elements of the press had gotten hold of this, they would have blown it way out of proportion. Do you not remember how whining Joe Lieberman made all the news because he built a website on the cheap and actually accused Ned Lamont of hacking his site?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:58 AM
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29. OSAMA2008.ORG Created On:17-Jan-2007, Registrant Name:Oneandone Private Registration
OSAMA2008.ORG
Created On:17-Jan-2007 14:51:31 UTC
Last Updated On:05-Oct-2007 06:51:35 UTC
Expiration Date:17-Jan-2009 14:51:31 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:1 & 1 Internet AG (R73-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:SPAG-35593001
Registrant Name:Oneandone Private Registration
Registrant Organization:1&1 Internet, Inc. - http://1and1.com/contact
Registrant Street1:701 Lee Road, Suite 300
Registrant Street2:ATTN: osama2008.org
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Chesterbrook
Registrant State/Province:PA
Registrant Postal Code:19087
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.8772064254
Registrant Email:proxy577158@1and1-private-registration.com
Admin ID:SPAG-35593001
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 12:49 PM
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30. yeah
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 12:50 PM by blogslut
The other one is privately registered as well. Actually, both domains have been blocked from pointing to Clinton's server since it was discovered last week.

As I said, a third party was/is pulling this trick. Don't know who yet. I supposed there is a way to look behind private reg but I am not savvy enough.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:39 PM
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31. There may be a big story behind this, a maccaca moment perhaps.
Who is the wizard behind the curtain? So OZ!

Will it be an Arkansas Project person? A Roger? A Karl? The Swiftboat Admiral?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 04:13 PM
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32. Could be a private citizen too
Some shitty shit stirrer. This thing has been registered private from day one, which was January 2007. Now, there is a dude that used to own osama2008 dot COM. He let it lapse in November.

Hard to say. What's intweresting is how easily this kind of this can be misinterpreted by less techie types. For example - Jim Newell @ Wonkette totally misses the boat here:

Barack Buys Bill Clinton Domain Names?

Hey, so here’s something fun to do this Monday morning: Go to either presidentbillclinton.com or williamclinton.com. You know, like Hillary’s husband. At either you can read all about… Barack Obama?! Indeed, as of now, these two URLs redirect to BarackObama.com. The President Bill is not going to be pleased with his Internets.


Now, if Mr. Newell had done his homework he would know that those two domains are owned by notorious cyber-squatter, Joseph Culligan. But, no, it's much more fun to throw blame at the wrong guy.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:43 PM
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33. In this case, the domain owner sought to remain covert. Begs the question, who?
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