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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:42 PM
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IndependentPrimary.Com Voting Results: Kucinich Wins
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 05:58 PM by fascisthunter
Final Democratic Party Voting

Independent Primary.Com was started by independent political activists from across America to establish and measure the power and impact of independent-minded voters on the presidential election.


Kucinich
61,477
76.7%

Edwards
7,614
9.5%

Obama
3,847
4.8%

Clinton
2,084
2.6%

Gravel
1,844
2.3%

Richardson
1,522
1.9%

Biden
1,323
1.7%

Dodd
442
0.5%

TOTAL
80,153
100%

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2489/t/4823/content.jsp?content_KEY=3623

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:46 PM
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1. love it, go kucinich!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 05:50 PM
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2. I Thought I'd Pass this on
For a guy that gets left out of a major debate he sure has a considerable following and is doing really well. This means that IF we had the money and exposure any candidate that stands for the issues this man does has a great chance at winning ANY election. Never believe the MSM hype!
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 04:17 PM
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15. I remember a couple of days ago (6, actually)
I responded to a Kucinich drive to raise $10 million in one day. I donated $100. I posted on DU and got a piddling few responses. On that day, Dennis received a total of $166,000+.

On the same day, Ron Paul, in a similar exercise, raised $7 million.

I'm totally embarrassed by the turnout.

Maybe the next couple of months will yield better results.

Last ditch, guys.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:10 PM
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3. We all know this would be the case, but the power elite which rules
...are the ones who get to decide who runs and who gets pushed to the bottom of the list or in Dennis Kucinich's case potentially becomes ignored into obscurity.

That is what I despise so much about the power politics as it has become in this country, this power elite oligarchy which defiantly serves only the very powerful and themselves and ignores the needs and wishes of the masses of Americans. Just how can common Americans take this power away from these greedy lying corrupt bastards?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 06:18 PM
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4. whistle, we Will Take it Back
Edited on Sat Dec-22-07 06:18 PM by fascisthunter
it's not going to happen even in a few years, but it will happen. How? Sacrifice.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:12 PM
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5. We being the young, the old, the hard working people, mothers, fathers
...aunts, uncles? I really hope this is possible and I can see it happen within my lifetime. I was four when FDR died and a young adult when JFK, MLK and RFK were all brutally murdered. Many promising leaders and young men and women have been sacrificed since. This fascistic power elite has stopped at nothing to gain and retain their hold on power. And it continues right up to this very moment.

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3896
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 1
Total 3897

http://icasualties.org/oif/

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:41 PM
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10. Well, Folks Like Me are Getting Turned on to Politics Everyday
due to the crap we are seeing today. Glad we are on the same side.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:15 PM
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6. Well, we know who can unify the independent vote.
:D

Will Democrats take heed and nominate the candidate who can bring in independent and 3rd party voters,

or will they set up the same to take the blame for their poor choices?

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:21 PM
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8. Kucinich will be very good at picking up
the small group of third-party voters who find the Democratic party unacceptably conservative.

As for the others? Not so much. Kucinich has the worst net favorability (fav-unfav) of all declared candidates. Kucinich has the worst would vote for/wouldn't vote for split of all declared candidates. He's the least electable man running.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 10:37 PM
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12. If I believed in the "electability" boogie man, I might be concerned.
I don't, though. I think polls are part of the problem, not part of the solution, and I'd like to see what would happen if all polls except for exit polls were banned, and if those results couldn't be published until the last vote was cast.

But that's just me.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 12:29 AM
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13. You just said, "We know who can unify the independent vote."
Polling strongly disagrees with that statement. DK only appeals to those independents who find the Democrats too conservative. He has no appeal whatsoever to other independents.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 02:40 PM
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14. Polling is a manipulative tool that I don't think is appropriate,
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 03:10 PM by LWolf
as I've already indicated. Polling numbers, therefore, aren't going to be an appropriate statistic to base any statement on.

At least, not if you are trying to make a point with me.

Personally, I believe that polls are driven and manipulated by the media, and are thus corrupt.

I am not the only person to question the validity, or the appropriate use, of polls.

From Constructing Public Opinion: How Political Elites Do What They like and Why We Seem to Go along with It

by Justin Lewis



<snip>

The notion of a poll-driven body politic is plausible only because the media coverage of polls reflects the political agendas of elites. Polls that suggest the popularity of ideas of little interest to the leadership of the two main parties are deemed irrelevant to the day-to-day coverage of politics, while polls that tie public opinion to political elites—notably horse race polls—surface in abundance. The media thus produce a form of public opinion that is largely compatible with the elites who claim, most of the time, to represent the popular will, and it is from this narrow space that assumptions can be made about politicians drifting with the ebb and flow of the polls.

If the actual use of polls is more opportunistic, it is, in a sense, an acknowledgment of the nature of polling data. The idea that poll results are authentic expressions of a popular will has been criticized for some time, and yet the dominant manifestation of this critique in public discourse is one that turns it on its head. While the critical literature emphasizes the socially constructed quality of poll responses, the question we hear most often is, as the New York Times article puts it, “Who actually talks to pollsters and who does not?” In other words, all pollsters need to do is talk to the right mix of people and everything will be well. This is not to belittle the technicalities of sampling, but the size or composition of the sample does not mitigate the interpretative nature of the whole exercise. The most ambiguous forms of polling, I have suggested, are those with the largest sample. An election, after all, asks everyone a question whose meaning is highly contested and generates an answer that might spring from a variety of contradictory positions. As a consequence, general movements to the right or left in the broad mass of U.S. polling data are very poor predictors of presidential elections. As Murray Edelman argues, the meaning of elections often has less to do with opinion preference than with their broader role as rituals vindicating a political mainstream.

If the dominant meaning of polls is caught up in a set of interpretations that vivify the notion of representative democracy, an analysis of the polling data excluded from this interpretation prompts us to explore the conditions of this dominant construction. Although these conditions involve a corporate media whose interests are generally allied with the center-right preferences of political elites, the ideological practices that exclude discussion of polls to the left of a Washington consensus have their own momentum. Reporters are caught up in a set of professional ideologies that make it difficult to go beyond the confines of elite political frameworks and a set of broader ideologies that make it difficult to question the notion of representative democracy.

If polls are a form of representation, then the image of a moderate-to-conservative public reflecting the political range of its political leaders is a highly selective representation of those representations. My point here is not so much that the media misrepresent the “true” nature of a more left-leaning public, but that they limit the possibilities that the polling data offer us. This, of course, raises the question of what the opinions produced by polls really do mean, and it is this issue that is the subject of the second part of this book.


http://www.questia.com/read/100075031#
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:19 PM
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7. Thank you for posting this
DLC hates Kucinich, so now their supporters will chime in with how "irrelevant" this poll is.

Go DK!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 07:22 PM
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9. And if the election were held only on little-publicized internet polls
then we would do well to nominate him.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 08:28 PM
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11. yippee fifth rec
off you go!
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 04:32 PM
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16. Logically all americans should see it this way. The MSM have a lot to answer for profit isn't...
.. worth this price. Tim Russert how come he don't believe in UFOs he has to be alien not to realise Dennis would be the greatest thing for this planet.
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