Conyers (WTF?): "I’ve got to put together a winning program and not step on our message"

[orleans]

there was a thread on this last week. if you missed it i would say you should definitely check this out.


http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/20/to_impeach_or_not_to_impeach

amy goodman interviews conyers who says impeachment won't happen due to ?? corporatization of the media--and the media will turn the republiks into victims! (oh, good reason--and what else *might* happen, john?)


ray mcgovern is also interviewed on this clip--it's about ten minutes. go to the link and read along.


the original thread on this from babylonsister
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2503816

[msongs]

1. seems like Conyers will not enforce his own subpoenas - the con in Conyers? nt

[Bitwit1234]

6. I think he might be correct. The MSM will hound the Democrats to death

Look what they did when Move On had the ad about Prayonus.

[EFerrari]

7. Which is clearly a good reason to forget your oath of office. n/t

[Hydra]

2. I remember that last week

Many apologists came to say that he was well within his rights not to do his job. Rather amusing, when you think about it.

Dem Leadership: "Oversight and Criminal Indictments- not our job."

[BuyingThyme]

5. We've come to treat many of them as family.

Too bad.

[BuyingThyme]

3. I just had to click on the link to see if he really framed Pukes as would-be "victims."

He did. :(

...

AMY GOODMAN: Why stop short of hearings on impeachment?


REP. JOHN CONYERS: Well, because, unless we’re going to impeach the Vice President and the President within this space of time, I think we could be very seriously compromising the greatest important—most important thing, in addition to documenting any misdeeds that may have happened, whether we continue to have Bush enablers continue to shatter and tear the Constitution to shreds. And so, all of this, academically, is great. I’ve got a number of books from my friends about which articles would be best and which ones we should go after more. But it seems to me that the time element and also the feasibility of whether or not there is any possible chance of success—there is a very stark reality that with the corporatization of the media, we could end up with turning people who should be documented in history as making many profound errors and violating the Constitution from villains into victims. And those are the kinds of considerations that have entered my mind in thinking about this process, Amy.

...

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/20/to_impeach_or_not_to_impeach

[Hydra]

4. And these people are supposed to be working for us????

:puke:

[Progressive Radical]

18. In order to impeach ...

You have to have an opposition party. Sadly, we don't have one of those.

:(

[Perry Logan]

8. He's trying to say it without saying it: the Democrats would get creamed by the media.

You could replace every Democrat in Congress, and they would either do the same as the present members, or vanish in a wave of media slime. You're in effect asking Congress to step in front of a speeding train.

[Hydra]

9. You said that last week

So why isn't Congress attempting to break the media monopoly?

When you are one of the first 3 estates, you don't tolerate the forth attempting to undermine you.

[mmonk]

10. We must not let the truth in while battling perceptions pushed

by our enemies. The constitution isn't worth it when compared to "plans" and humanity can wait or shut up. The enemies of freedom should be allowed to continue as to not cause a rucus or keep our plan from being discussed since truth can be a distraction. We must not give them that victory of calling us names.

[H2O Man]

11. That's sad.

Rep. Conyers is a good man. But he has long since lost the drive that once made him an outstanding advocate for democracy. In my opinion, the idea that he is unwilling to honor his oath of office because Sean Hannity & Co would have fits rings hollow.

[mmonk]

12. Yes.

The media is yet another excuse for other reasons and what is sad is people believe it.

[H2O Man]

13. I agree.

The "logic" of the statement does not hold up under even casual consideration: he does not want to document in a legal forum the criminal behaviors and abuses of power of the administration, because the media would turn them into victims. Instead, he wants to wait and document their crimes and abuses of power outside in a legal forum, so that the media will not turn them into victims. The younger version of John Conyers would be ashamed of anyone trying to sell that to the public.

[pberq]

14. It appears that the only thing left is for the people of this country

to stand up for truth and justice - Congress obviously will not.

[AntiFascist]

15. So based on his own words...

is he not, then, enabling the corporate takeover of our government? :wtf:

[Blarch]

16. Conyers. LOL

Guess what Mr. John Conyers, if accountability is history, then your credibility is also history.

I hope he is happy being known as a Bush enabler.

[Beelzebud]

17. Conyers is perhaps, my personal biggest disappointment...

I never had much faith in Pelosi, but I thought Conyers was someone willing to fight.

It's pathetic.

Can we please have a viable 3rd party, and get rid of these useless bags of wind?

[goclark]

19. It makes me sad to agree with you.

:(

[orleans]

20. i got to tell you--he breaks my fucking heart. n/t