Should Obama's fabricated endorsements be investigated?

[Clintonista2]

On edit: For those not aware, several ministers who were listed on Obama's website as having endorsed him, came forward and said that they have done no such thing.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Whee! Yet another push poll! Gotta love 'em!

Keep 'em coming!

[Trajan]

12. Heads I win, Tails you lose ...

This is a classic 'Have You Beat Your Wife Lately' fallacy ....

Nothing but rubbish ....

[OhioChick]

2. Yawn....... n/t

[trumad]

3. I guess you need to be on DU 24x7 to know what the hell posts like these mean.

:shrug:

[whirlygigspin]

4. that's a lie fabricated by Hillary haters

oh, wait

sorry, wrong thread.

: )

[AlCzervik]

5. wow miss a few days here and miss a lot--or not.

i have no idea whats going on.

[Clintonista2]

7. Several of Obama's "endorsements" have come forward to say that

they haven't endorsed him. He had listed them on his website as endorsements.

[whistle]

6. What fabricated endorsements?

[Clintonista2]

10. Here you are:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hMmRXXl8In5aaW8ZrrEgljfpaE7QD8TPANDG0


COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Two black South Carolina ministers listed by Barack Obama's campaign as endorsing his White House bid say they did no such thing, and at least two others affirmed their support only after being contacted by campaign workers when questions were raised about their endorsements.

Earlier this month, Obama's campaign released a list of what it said were nearly 130 senior pastors in South Carolina endorsing his run for the Democratic nomination. But when contacted by The Associated Press, several ministers said they have yet to decide who will get their vote and were unclear how they ended up on the Illinois senator's list.

"I really haven't decided to endorse him yet. I was thinking about it," said the Rev. Clifford Gaymon of Zion Hill Missionary Baptist Church in rural Clarendon County.

[Clintonista2]

11. Here you are:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hMmRXXl8In5aaW8ZrrEgljfpaE7QD8TPANDG0


COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Two black South Carolina ministers listed by Barack Obama's campaign as endorsing his White House bid say they did no such thing, and at least two others affirmed their support only after being contacted by campaign workers when questions were raised about their endorsements.

Earlier this month, Obama's campaign released a list of what it said were nearly 130 senior pastors in South Carolina endorsing his run for the Democratic nomination. But when contacted by The Associated Press, several ministers said they have yet to decide who will get their vote and were unclear how they ended up on the Illinois senator's list.

"I really haven't decided to endorse him yet. I was thinking about it," said the Rev. Clifford Gaymon of Zion Hill Missionary Baptist Church in rural Clarendon County.

[Zueda]

8. I'd much rather see this investigated...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7453447

Clinton list of endorsements from black ministers not quite so long, AP review shows

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's support from South Carolina's black religious leaders may not be quite as extensive as her campaign suggests.

Clinton got a boost last week when she shared a South Carolina stage with dozens of supporters, accepting what organizers said were endorsements from nearly 90 ministers in the state. But an Associated Press review of an endorsement list supplied by the New York senator's campaign found that some of the backers were affiliated with religious ministries and outreach groups rather than churches, some were wives of ministers, two were church elders and at least two were not members of the churches listed beside their names.

All told, about 50 different groups were represented, rather than more than 80 congregations as initially implied, the review found.

Clinton spokesman Zac Wright said the campaign never claimed the endorsements represented separate congregations and knew all along that some came from the same organization.

At least Obama can legitimately claim a miscommunication but for hillary to inflate by more than half...that is absurd!

[OhioChick]

9. Now We're Talking.

:thumbsup:

[College Liberal]

34. I like the way you think

:hi:

[Cha]

39. I see the push poller

didn't mention these non endorsements of hillary's in South Carolina.

[lynnertic]

57. you should understand that black churches usually have several ministers assisting 1 pastor

who is also a minister. Religious ministries and outreach groups aren't congregations but still they can be headed by ordained ministers. For example, my mother is the Minister of Christian Education for her church. She's not the pastor but she's responsible for all levels of indoctrination from Bible Study to Sunday School, which makes her a religious leader.

Ministers are allowed to marry and an ordained minister may not be practicing - may indeed be simply a church elder. Two incorrect church affiliations out of 90 - the one error the reporter specified - is a 2.2% error rate. 'At least' is conjecture, not reporting, and implies the 'review' of that list was less than thorough.

Comparing 'actual groups' versus 'implied congregations' makes me think that the reporter isn't from that area, doesn't really understand the culture, and is stretching to write something critical of HRC.

And this from me, a Kucinich supporter!! He acts the most Christian of them all (and we're supposed to know them by their deeds, not their words...)

[Neecy]

13. you people are hurting your candidate

If Hillary and her supporters smear her way to the nomination, you can be assured that I'll sit out the general. And I doubt I'll be the only one.

[emilyg]

45. You do that.

[AtomicKitten]

54. I am on my way to reaching that same conclusion.

I've voted (D) my entire life (except for Greens in local races) and this is really extraordinary for me because the Supreme Court is BIG ... from the IWR to K-L to this nastiness, well, let's just say you indeed are not the only one. I'm sure many Democrats are struggling with this as well. Fingers crossed we won't have to cross that bridge.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Here's a bit about Hillary's fucked-up list of supposed endorsers

Clinton’s Endorsement List Debatable
December 5, 2007

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton's support from South Carolina's black religious leaders may not be quite as extensive as her campaign suggests.

Clinton got a boost last week when she shared a South Carolina stage with dozens of supporters, accepting what organizers said were endorsements from nearly 90 ministers in the state. But an Associated Press review of an endorsement list supplied by the New York senator's campaign found that some of the backers were affiliated with religious ministries and outreach groups rather than churches, some were wives of ministers, two were church elders and at least two were not members of the churches listed beside their names.

All told, about 50 different groups were represented, rather than more than 80 congregations as initially implied, the review found.

<SNIP>

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/05/clintons_endorsement_list_debatable/

[stillcool]

26. earth shattering...

[lynnertic]

58. plz see my resopnse #57

[Jim Sagle]

15. Ahh yess...the battle between the empty suit and the empty pantsuit rages on.

Life is good for those of us who support the REAL Dem. :beer:

[EFerrari]

20. LOL!

[Pastiche423]

41. I believe you have the "empty suit" confused

The "empty suit" is not black.

[Jim Sagle]

42. No, he doesn't wear black suits.

[Pastiche423]

44. Doesn't matter the color

he's still an empty suit, always has been, as exhibited by his lousy voting record.

[Jim Sagle]

47. I'm talking about your right-wing RNC cutout of a Manchurian candidate.

He's pitching RNC hogwash directly to the RNC stooge media pundits, knowing they'll lap it up.

[Pastiche423]

48. My candidate has not been talking to the media

about any candidate.

I think you are confused, in more than one way.

[Nailzberg]

16. Neighborhood association have any rules against that glass house you live in?

A. Nice bullshit poll questions.
B. Hillary's campaign has done the same thing
C. If you've ever worked a campaign, you'd know that this happens to everyone at some time. Cause some people think they know how to play power-broker but cannot make the commitment to one candidate.

[Bluebear]

17. "B. Hillary's campaign has done the same thing" - that seems to be the theme of these primaries.

:silly:

[Clintonista2]

18. CLINTON DID IT TOO! CLINTON DID IT TOO!

[Nailzberg]

23. Yeah, she did. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Throw a tantrum if you must.

[Bluebear]

25. Fine, then investigate her fraudulent endorsement claims at the same time.

What were they, anyhoo?

[Nailzberg]

31. It's been posted by others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2535221&mesg_id=2535258

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

19. Yours is a very nicely written, grounded in reality post.

Good luck with that. :toast: MKJ

[Bluebear]

22. Grounded in reality is excusing something because another candidate did it?

Any room for ideals here?

[Nailzberg]

28. I'm not excusing it because another candidate did it.

I'm excusing it because it is a not a real issue.

It wasn't an issue when Hillary's campaign was duped by some ministers, and it's not an issue now. Because as I said, this kind of thing happens all the time and it isn't happening because the campaigns are being dishonest. It's happening because some people want to be everyone's best friend, so they tell more than one campaign that they have their support.

However, the OP seems to feel this is campaign fraud by Obama, then the same standard should be applied to Clinton.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

36. Bluebear, please don't read into this any more than a response to a post seemingly attacking one of

our Dem candidates, no more.

I'm sorry I jumped in and stirred things up, I tend to do that in real life as well.

I'm with you on ideals. As you seem to, I embrace hope, as well. :hug:

MKJ

[avenger64]

21. Hmmm, am I being push-polled?

That doesn't seem like the widest array of choices there.

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[Clintonista2]

27. Was I the one fabricating endorsements?

NOPE. Saint Bama was.

[Blue-Jay]

29. You'd never fabricate.

[Clintonista2]

30. Thanks. n/t.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. No

it's a non-issue, it wasn't deliberate, it's not a crime.

[H2O Man]

33. I'll bet that

Sean Hannity investigates this, by golly. It sounds like something right up his alley.

[porphyrian]

35. They should be investigated before we decide who's at fault.

For all we know, the ministers could be lying. Investigate and get the facts of what happened.

[Ewellian]

37. None of the above. Who cares?

Aren't there more important things that need investigating?

[blogslut]

38. weak

lame. petty. boring.

[Diane R]

40. Is that you, Hillary? Another anti-Obama push poll. Rove must work for Billary now.

[LiberalFighter]

43. Why should we be guided by who ministers or other religious leaders endorse?

They don't necessarily have the best reputation in these times.

[Alexander]

46. Should the Clintons' corrupt pardons and secret lists be investigated?

Maybe I should start a poll on that.

:eyes:

[JackORoses]

49. is Hillary a liar as well, seems some of her Ministers aren't really hers either

you really are struggling for new material over in Hillaryville, eh Lirwin?

[myrna minx]

50. Well, it's a good thing he recently stopped beating his wife. *wipes brow*

:sarcasm: Geez, I take a few months away from Du, only to discover that Barak Obama's true identity is actually Genghis-Kahn McPolPotHitlerbinLadenJacktheRipper vonCastro-deVlad-the-impaler. Quelle exotique! Thanks for the well documented wild speculations! :hi:

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. Investigated by whom?

:shrug:

[Nailzberg]

53. These guys

[Telly Savalas]

52. I don't get it.

Posts like these obviously target 12 year olds, but 12 year olds aren't old enough to vote.

What gives?

[Perry Logan]

55. I'm sure this is only the tip of the iceberg.

[KharmaTrain]

56. Like Endorsements Mean Anything?

The best endorsement a candidate can get is one friend telling another...not some "celebrity" or "community leader". If anything I'm suspect of endorsements as I expect there is some quid pro quo that goes along with it.

Investigate an endorsement? Ahhh...more noise of the silly season. It isn't a legal document or contract...so where's the crime?

While I find the sniping, astroturfing and political theatrics here amusing, I'll be glad when the primaries are over.