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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:23 PM
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*Excellent* Bhutto/Musharraf/Pakistan overview and analysis from Juan Cole
Pakistan's 2007 Crises Come to a Crescendo;
Benazir Assassinated
Implications for US Security


Benazir Bhutto, the leader of the Pakistan People's Party, has been assassinated at a rally held Thursday evening near Islamabad. She appears to have been shot by the assassin, who was wearing a suicide bomb belt, which he then detonated to make sure he had finished the job. The Bhuttos are sort of the Kennedys of Pakistan, marked by wealth, power and tragedy, and central to the country's politics for the past four decades.

The Pakistani authorities are blaming Muslim militants for the assassination. That is possible, but everyone in Pakistan remembers that it was the military intelligence, or Inter-Services Intelligence, that promoted Muslim militancy in the two decades before September 11 as a wedge against India in Afghanistan and Kashmir. The Pakistan People's Party (PPP) faithful will almost certainly blame Pervez Musharraf, and sentiment here is more important than reality, whatever the reality may be. The PPP is one of two very large, long-standing grassroots political parties in Pakistan, and if its followers are radicalized by this event, it could lead to severe turmoil. Just a day before her assassination Benazir had pledged that the PPP would not allow the military to rig the upcoming January 8 parliamentary elections.

Pakistan is important to US security. It is a nuclear power. Its military fostered, then partially turned on the Taliban and al-Qaeda, which have bases in the lawless tribal areas of the northern part of the country. And Pakistan is key to the future of its neighbor, Afghanistan. Pakistan is also a key transit route for any energy pipelines built between Iran or Central Asia and India, and so central to the energy security of the United States.

The military government of Pervez Musharraf was shaken by two big crises in 2007, one urban and one rural. The urban crisis was his interference in the rule of law and his dismissal of the supreme court chief justice. The Pakistani middle class has greatly expanded in the last seven years, as others have noted, and educated white collar people need a rule of law to conduct their business. Last June 50,000 protesters came out to defend the supreme court, even thought the military had banned rallies. The rural crisis was the attempt of a Neo-Deobandi cult made up of Pushtuns and Baluch from the north to establish themselves in the heart of the capital, Islamabad, at the Red Mosque seminary. They then attempted to impose rural, puritan values on the cosmopolitan city dwellers. When they kidnapped Chinese acupuncturists, accusing them of prostitution, they went too far. Pakistan depends deeply on its alliance with China, and the Islamabad middle classes despise Talibanism. Musharraf ham-fistedly had the military mount a frontal assault on the Red Mosque and its seminary, leaving many dead and his legitimacy in shreds. Most Pakistanis did not rally in favor of the Neo-Deobandi cultists, but to see a military invasion of a mosque was not pleasant (the militants inside turned out to be heavily armed and quite sinister).

The NYT reported that US Secretary of State Condi Rice tried to fix Musharraf's subsequent dwindling legitimacy by arranging for Benazir to return to Pakistan to run for prime minister, with Musharraf agreeing to resign from the military and become a civilian president. When the supreme court seemed likely to interfere with his remaining president, he arrested the justices, dismissed them, and replaced them with more pliant jurists. This move threatened to scuttle the Rice Plan, since Benazir now faced the prospect of serving a dictator as his grand vizier, rather than being a proper prime minister. With Benazir's assassination, the Rice Plan is in tatters and Bush administration policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan is tottering.

Benazir is from a major Pakistani political dynasty. (See the obituary here and the photographs here. Her father, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, was prime minister in the 1970s but was overthrown by a military coup in 1977 and subsequently hanged by military dictator Zia ul-Huq. Benazir helped lead the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy in the 1980s, and was often under house arrest. When Zia died in an airplane accident in 1988, Benazir won the subsequent elections and served as prime minister 1988-1990. Zia had put in place mechanisms to limit popular sovereignty, and the then 'president' removed Benazir from office in 1990. She served again as PM, 1993-1996 but was again deposed, being accused of corruption. After the 1999 military coup of Pervez Musharraf, she was in a state of permanent exile, since he said he would have her arrested if she tried to come back. He relented because of his own collapsing position and because of US pressure, and allowed her to return in October. She was almost assassinated at that time by a huge bomb when she landed in Karachi.

See also the comments of Manan Ahmad at our Global Affairs blog, where there are several recent important entries.

http://www.juancole.com/2007/12/pakistans-2007-crises-come-to-crescendo.html
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:28 PM
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1. K&R
I fear for the continuance of the human race on this planet...between the environment and the chicken-hawks/terrorists, we are certainly doomed...:cry: :scared:
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:32 PM
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2. I hope people take the time to read this
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 02:50 PM by Marrah_G
Some are shrugging this off as no big deal, just another *ush conspiracy.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:34 PM
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3. Once again the * administration is caught off guard...did they
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 02:34 PM by MadMaddie
not think this was a possibility. She was in a vehicle that wasn't bullet proof. Oh yea...you know Mushariff was behind this.

* administration and Condi will make the world pay for their indifference of Mushariff and his coddling of the Taliban on the Pakistani border.



Oh wait and don't forget that Pakistan has Nukes...

RIP Mrs. Bhutto
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:37 PM
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4. Yes, a very large situation for us.
Especially:

"Its military fostered, then partially turned on the Taliban and al-Qaeda, which have bases in the lawless tribal areas of the northern part of the country. And Pakistan is key to the future of its neighbor, Afghanistan. Pakistan is also a key transit route for any energy pipelines built between Iran or Central Asia and India, and so central to the energy security of the United States."

How tangled everything is and how it can unwind is something we'll have to watch.
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CubicleGuy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:39 PM
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5. I guess the elections have now been rigged after all.
Just a day before her assassination Benazir had pledged that the PPP would not allow the military to rig the upcoming January 8 parliamentary elections.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:47 PM
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6. umm, she might not be the angel of democracy she is claimed to be nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:38 PM
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8. Good thing she's dead, I guess.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 03:38 PM by WilliamPitt
:eyes: :puke: :eyes:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:17 PM
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18. JUST LIKE JFK,....HUH!!!! HUH!!!! "democracy",...ha
:cry:

I know of no "angel of democracy" that HAS NOT BEEN,...beaten, broken, removed or assasinated.

I am sick of this shit.

msongs,...who would be your "angels of democracy"?

What do you define as "angels of democracy"?

Seems to me those who fight the most to empower the engine of democracy, THE PEOPLE, are the ones who are scorned into oblivion. However, I eagerly invite your examples of "angels of democracy" and how they succeeded.

I AM EAGER FOR YOUR EXAMPLES!!!!
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dharmamarx Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:10 PM
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28. "angel of democracy"
Msongs is right that Benazir was not an "angel of democracy". Tariq Ali makes roughly the same point on today's Democracy Now broadcast; basically, Ali accuses Bhutto of giving up on the masses. Ordinarily I would cite a real "angel of democracy" as being someone like Eugene Debs or Mother Jones or MLK or just about any activist, for that matter. But things are even trickier with a country like Pakistan because democracy didn't really catch hold in Pakistan and that's in part Bhutto's fault. Instead of fighting for a sovereign Pakistan that privileged the interests of its poor (like Chavez or Morales, etc.) Bhutto and her husband decided to loot the country and behave like an American puppet. That's the kind of thing that convinces the masses that democracy is just a front for neo-colonialism. An "angel of democracy" in a third world country would be someone who first and foremost brings the masses into public sphere, and it's rather difficult to see how Benazir could have played much of a role in doing that as she herself was a member of Pakistan's urban, transnational elite.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:51 PM
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24. Wow
:yoiks:
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:47 PM
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27. umm, the last rightfully elected leader of a nation was assassinated
:eyes:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:49 PM
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7. Great read
Thanks
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:32 PM
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9. Benazir wasn't popular with either side
The Muslim fundamentalists (because she was an educated woman) or Musharaf. The ISI is chock-full of Muslim fundamentalists who would like nothing better than to take her out. I'm betting that the ISI fired the shot, and a suicide bomber provided cover so that the shooter could get away.

It's a shame, though. Although her previous administration was apparently corrupt, she had her heart in the right place.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:01 PM
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11. It's hard to tell whether the corruption charges were trumped up though
I wouldn't exactly believe the government charges.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:09 PM
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13. Yeah, it always seemed to be suspicious
n/t
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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:33 PM
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25. Well, she and her husband were convicted in Switzerland for money laundering
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 01:34 PM by YankmeCrankme
Plus, I read that France and Poland have documentation of bribery, kickbacks and contract irregularities while she was prime minister.

Here are a few links that discuss the problem of corruption and the fact that she didn't really accomplish much of what she promised while in office, albeit, there was a lot of opposition to her from the right wing. One thing she did in the 90's and that was support the Taliban in Afghanistan, both financially and militarily.

http://www.samsloan.com/benazir.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2232714,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/disaster-the-greater-for-a-change-of-heart/2007/12/28/1198778702597.html

Perhaps the last article linked is correct, that she had changed and was truly fighting for democracy.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:35 PM
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10. I think he makes a mistake thinking Rice was truly interested "legitimacy"
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 04:36 PM by killbotfactory
The Bush admin could care less as long as their guy maintains his power. They will use the nuke trump card to defend any action Perez takes to "maintain stability" in the ensuing backlash.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:56 PM
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12. .
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:17 PM
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14. Help me understand how Bush and Musharraf can spin this
It seems to me that either

A) Musharraf's own government/intelligence services/military/hired guns killed her, or

B) Musharraf's own government/intelligence services/military/hired guns were supposed to provide security for her, and failed miserably, so they *allowed* her to be killed.

I know Bush, the Repukes and maybe even some AIPAC-fearing Dems (putting my flame-retardant suit on...NOW) will say (and already have) that this shows how we must continue to be afraid, afraid, afraid of Islamic extremists because here look at what they've done, enemies of democracy who hate us for our freedoms, etc., etc.

But is is not clear as day that Musharraf is in fact the bigger danger, since he is either

A) In cahoots with the Islamic extremists he and his military government built and fostered (openly before 9/11, more discreetly now...), or

B) More than happy to let Islamic extremists run amok in Pakistan, since they serve both to take out his political enemies and provide an excuse for his authoritarian posture. (And keep all the military aid $$ coming from the USA.)

What did Dim Son say right after 9/11--if you support or give refuge to terrorists we'll come after you just as bad as we'll come after them? With Afghanistan being his example?

So, Musharraf is either playing both sides, or looking the other way because it suits him.

How can ANYONE even pretend that this so-called war-on-terror isn't anything more than a complete sham designed to enrich and empower a few at the expense of endless war and destruction for the rest of the world?

Seriously, I don't even mean that as a hypothetical--how can ANY candidate for POTUS do or say ANYTHING that doesn't call this entire mess the evil conspiracy that it is?

Please, help me understand! If you support a specific candidate, tell me, what are they saying?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:06 PM
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15. Political assassination analysis. What goes into the primer?
Assassinations of political figures are very public events, impacting a massive audience as well as the victim. In this case, the election may be impacted, but this is not like eliminating a candidate. The parlimentary system choses the electors, I believe. It removes the likeliest prime minister, but the party could win the elections still. It has another effect, on all who see it. This is a lot like shock and awe, a blow impacting the people seeking to restore democracy. As much as this was an attack on a political leader, it is also an attack on democratic process. There's no shortage of authoritarian suspects.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:09 PM
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16. Wow.
A lot of things that I didn't know.
Thanks.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:59 PM
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17. My daughter
believes, really do believe that their generation is the last.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:50 PM
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23. She's pretty safe from those nukes unless she is in India. n/t
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:32 PM
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19. Why did Al-Qaida claim credit for the assassination so uncharacteristically quickly today when
keeping quiet would most likely fan the flames of accusations against Pakistani secret police involvement and most immediately add to instability on the ground increasing the possibility of an Islamic fundamentalist uprising?

Seems uncharacteristic to me.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:34 AM
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21. I don't think they claimed credit
Musharraff says they intercepted "intelligence" from al-Qaida congratulating themselves.

Stinks to high heaven, either way.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:03 PM
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20. This very well could be the most incompetent administration ever
One more milestone added to its being the most corrupt.

Take a flawed but popular leader, facilitate their return to a country where the dictator in charge and 'extremists' both have motive to retire said leader with extreme prejudice, a country where the military and security services of mixed allegiances are barely holding the center, a country with nukes a short lorry ride from falling into the hands of people who may be even nuttier than the Chimp administration is incompetent?

What in the hell did they think was going to happen? I remember thinking a couple of months ago when reading about the administrations 'plan' that it was a disaster waiting to happen.

Now a true clusterfuck unfolding before our eyes.

Only makes sense that the 'genius' Condi was in the middle of it.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:47 PM
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22. Thank you. K&R and bookmarking.
This is something that all Americans need to read and understand.:-(
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:37 PM
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26. "but everyone in Pakistan remembers that it was the military intelligence..."
"but everyone in Pakistan remembers that it was the military intelligence, or Inter-Services Intelligence, that promoted Muslim militancy in the two decades before September 11 "

Hmmh... these are the guys that bush endorsed.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:59 PM
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29. .
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