What's the difference? (Bhutto death)

[Ravy]

Outside of morbid curiosity, what difference does it make if she was shot, died of shrapnel, or the force blew her against a car part that killed her, or that she had a heart attack after the blast?

She *was* shot at, there was an explosion near her, and she died. No one is disputing that (that I have heard).

Is there some significance as to how she actually died tied to her religion or something?

[spanone]

1. Truth is a significant part of life....or used to be.

[Ravy]

3. What is the motivation to lie about it?

That is what I do not understand.

[spanone]

4. That is the mystery....the reason for the lie may expose the truth.

[bigtree]

6. I suspect it's an attempt to make her appear to be a bystander rather than the target

[blondeatlast]

11. Exactly. If nothing else, Musharif doesn't want her to become a martyr (too late for that, I suspect

Even if there were no evidence of gunshot wounds, though, the suspicion of assassination would be there.

[Ravy]

17. I hadn't considered that take on it.

To me, I always looked at her as the target, not her supporters, per se.

[malaise]

32. Al Qaeda does not use assassins with guns

just suicide bombers so to blame them is to discredit the gun shots.

Gun shots put the blame squarely at the feet of the security and Mushie.

[catmandu57]

2. Dead is dead

What the fuck difference does it make, she was shot, she was blown up, she hit her head, she had a heart attack. The result is the same she's fucking dead.

[Ravy]

9. Yeah. I don't get the significance of how.

I could see that if someone died in their sleep it would be hard to give them the "martyr" banner, but she was killed in a public and horrific manner.

I am wondering if the distinction has less to do with her as it does with her assassin. Maybe they are trying to say he shot and missed, his explosion did not kill her, so he gets a few less virgins in the afterlife.

That is all I can think of.

[_testify_]

5. From what I have read

If she died as a result of injuries directly caused by the attack she is given martyr status. If she dies from injuries indirectly caused by the attack, such as bashing her head on the sunroof, she's not a martyr after all. A silly distinction, IMO, but perhaps it means more to their culture than I know.

What if this was a weak attempt at curbing the backlash associated with her death? If she's considered a martyr that's a powerful rallying point.

[WillyT]

10. That's What I've Been Reading Too !!!

Although it may make no difference to us here, apparently there are those in Pakistan that do not want her to receive Martyr status.

What a fucked up world, eh?

:shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

7. We're not supposed to know the exact cause of the death of an

assassinated person running for president of Pakistan, are you kidding me?

[Ravy]

12. You mean whether the shots killed her or the explosion? No. I don't think it matters. nt

[seemslikeadream]

16. see post 14

[brazos121200]

8. Possibly how she died is tied in somehow with

who killed her. Who killed her might lead to knowledge of whether Musharraf had anything to do with it or not. I'm sure Al Qaeda wanted her dead to thwart democracy in Pakistan, but so did Musharraf for the same reason.

[applegrove]

13. CNN suggested that it would keep her from being a martyr because

she chose to stand up through the sunroof.

[WillyT]

19. Here's That Article:

<snip>

CNN national security analyst Ken Robinson, who worked in U.S. intelligence in Pakistan during the Clinton administration, said he suspects Bhutto's enemies are attempting to control her legacy by minimizing the attack's role in her demise.

"They're trying to deny her a martyr's death, and in Islam, that's pretty important," Robinson said.

Bhutto, he said, threatens to become more influential in death than she was in life. "Her torch burns bright now forever. She's forever young; she's forever brave, challenging against all odds the party in power and challenging the military and Islamic extremism."

<snip>

Link: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/bhutto.death/

[_testify_]

20. That really does make sense.

It's still an awful thing to do to someone who WAS, in fact, assassinated.

[applegrove]

23. Yup. Agreed.

[applegrove]

22. Thanks for posting this.

[seemslikeadream]

14. A second thought what if John Edwards was to be assassinated today

would you want to know all the details or would it just be enough for you for our government to say oh well he's dead let's move on with elections?

[Ravy]

25. The details, to a point, are necessary.

There are plenty of details here. On video, no less. She was shot at, a bomb exploded next to her car, and she was killed. I am just asking if it makes a difference how it happened.

Unless there is questionably other gunman that someone is perhaps trying to protect, I don't think all of the forensic details are particularly relevant to me.

I don't know the forensic details of Bobby Kennedy, or MLK. I am fairly familiar with the forensic details of JFK, for the reason mentioned above.

Do you know which vertebrae parted when Saddam Hussein was hanged? How many times was Rabin shot? Which bullet struck the fatal blow?

Can you answer those without a search engine? Even with one?

I am not asking you to do research for me, just trying to make a point.

[seemslikeadream]

29. I'm sorry I mis understood you

You were thinking only of yourself not the people of Pakistan

[Warren Stupidity]

15. What's the difference? (JFK death)

Outside of morbid curiosity, what difference does it make if he was shot by a lone gunman or a team of trained CIA assassins?

He *was* shot at and he died. No one is disputing that (that I have heard).

Is there some significance as to how he actually died tied to his religion or something?

[gratuitous]

24. We have a winner

Nicely put, and in terms that some people will actually understand.

[pocoloco]

27. DU has it's share of 10 percenters also.

[Ravy]

28. I see, you are saying that other assassins may have made a

simultaneous attempt. Makes sense, it is just the first time I have heard someone say it. None of the accounts I have read have raised that possibility.

[seemslikeadream]

30. Why are you bothering to read accounts if it doesn't matter to you?

[Ravy]

33. I did *NOT* say her death did not matter!!

Is the education system really that poor?

I asked what difference the precise cause of death mattered to her religion/legacy. That is all I asked. And it was a question, not a soapbox or statement. I really wanted to know.

[seemslikeadream]

34. Then I am indeed sorry

excuse my response, it's just that I can't conceive of not wanting to know the truth about the assassination

[Ravy]

35. Not a prob. There are *lots* of truths...

Who was the assassin? How did he get through security? Have they searched his apartment? What did they find? Any recent large financial transactions involving him or his family?

I would love to know those truths.

I did get an answer to my questions up thread a bit.

Thanks.

[tuckessee]

18. I guess your motto is "Ignorance is Bliss"

I must say, I haven't seen many people who embrace it as proudly as you do.

[Ravy]

26. I *do* like to focus on things that are meaningful.

It is why I asked the question in the OP.

[JackRiddler]

21. Yeah, and where the hell is Pakistan, anyway?

This foreign country stuff is so far away and they don't even speak English. Why are we supposed to care?

[seemslikeadream]

31. I think it's east of Iran or something

[JackRiddler]

37. What's Iran? You mean Iraqistan?

[Crabby Appleton]

36. no difference. nt

[uppityperson]

38. Who killed her? Who ordered it, did it, paid for it, etc. Knowing HOW may help figure that out. nt