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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:18 PM
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WaPo Editorial: "The Pakistan Test...."
WASHINGTON POST EDITORIAL – "The Pakistan Test; Some presidential candidates show they can respond quickly to a foreign policy crisis. Some flunk or foul"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122802445_pf.html

THE ASSASSINATION of Benazir Bhutto presented U.S. presidential candidates with a test: Could they respond cogently and clearly to a sudden foreign policy crisis? Within hours some revealing results were in. One candidate, Democrat John Edwards, passed with flying colors. Another, Republican Mike Huckabee, flunked abysmally. Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain were serious and substantive; Republicans Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani were thin. And Barack Obama -- the Democratic candidate who claims to represent a new, more elevated brand of politics -- committed an ugly foul.

Let's start with Mr. Edwards, who managed not only to get Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on the phone Thursday but also to deliver a strong message. The candidate said he had encouraged Mr. Musharraf "to continue on the path to democratization to allow international investigators to come in and determine what happened, what the facts were." Those are words the Pakistani president needs to hear from as many Americans as possible. He has yet to confirm that the Jan. 8 parliamentary elections will go forward and risks a destabilizing backlash against his own government unless he delivers a full and credible account of the authors and circumstances of Ms. Bhutto's killing.

Ms. Clinton and Mr. McCain also endorsed Pakistan's continued democratization. Each cited an acquaintance with Ms. Bhutto or Mr. Musharraf and opportunistically trumpeted their foreign policy experience -- but both also offered some cogent analysis. Ms. Clinton rightly cited "the failure of the Musharraf regime either to deal with terrorism or to build democracy," adding that "it's time that the United States sided with civil society in Pakistan."

At the other extreme was Mr. Huckabee, whose first statement seemed merely uninformed: He appeared not to know that Mr. Musharraf had ended "martial law" two weeks ago. That was better than the candidate's next effort, when he said an appropriate U.S. response would include "very clear monitoring of our borders . . . to make sure if there's any unusual activity of Pakistanis coming into our country." The cynicism of this attempt to connect Pakistan's crisis with anti-immigrant sentiment was compounded by its astonishing senselessness.

By comparison, the Giuliani and Romney statements were anodyne -- they deployed slogans about fighting terrorism or "jihadism" while avoiding serious comment about Pakistan. Mr. Obama similarly began by offering bland condolences to Pakistanis and noting that "I've been saying for some time that we've got a very big problem there."

Then Mr. Obama committed his foul -- a far-fetched attempt to connect the killing of Ms. Bhutto with Ms. Clinton's vote on the war in Iraq. After the candidate made the debatable assertion that the Iraq invasion strengthened al-Qaeda in Pakistan, his spokesman, David Axelrod, said Ms. Clinton "was a strong supporter of the war in Iraq, which we would submit was one of the reasons why we were diverted from Afghanistan, Pakistan and al-Qaeda, who may have been players in the event today."

When questioned later about his spokesman's remarks, Mr. Obama stiffly defended them -- while still failing to offer any substantive response to the ongoing crisis. Is this Mr. Obama's way of rejecting "the same Washington game" he lambasted earlier in the day? If so, his game doesn't look very new, or attractive.


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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:58 PM
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1. Edwards was the only candidate who
spoke to Pres. Musharraf on the phone about the killing.

Edwards's response was the best. Period.

K&R
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:04 PM
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2. I agree.
It was strong and assertive. And he hit all the right notes.
:kick:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:06 PM
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3. John Edwards is the man to fight to restore Old America!
I continue to believe this.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:19 PM
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4. Like I just told The Washington Post
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:24 PM by Froward69
So the statesman in this whole mess. the one who had been warning us about this for five months is not even mentioned. Thats Joe Biden. However the one who pushed himself into the fray. "plaid" (thats on purpose) phone tag with Musarriff... thats edwards. He gets the accolades?..What a puff piece pile of S^%#. read on.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/12/28/VI2007122801823.html
Edit to add
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/27/schneider.bhutto/index.html?eref=rss_politics
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:07 PM
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8. Sucks to be Biden.
Hey, did anyone bother to cover his "news conference?" Was it on TV even? I'm sure all of the network and cable outlets cut to it live right?

I mean, we all know that's what he wanted, and it was only a campaign ploy.

Funny thing is, I like Biden, I don't think he's all that bad of a guy, since he's been in the Senate all this time I would have liked to see him try to do something about this damned occupation of Iraq, instead of just giving in and giving Bushco whatever they want.

Oh well.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:30 PM
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11. Better than Butting in to gain
exposure when you see someone far more experienced gaining traction. then parroting what the Statesman said for your own political aspirations. get whom i am talking about yet? running on a platform that is exactly opposite of your voting record. apologizing constantly, for those "Mistakes".

Then theirs Joe Biden whom has admitted mistakes. however stands by his decisions. Joe Biden who has vastly more experience than Edwards,Obama,and Hillary COMBINED! Joe Biden who has been warning us about Pakistan for five months. If you had watched the debates you would have seen Edwards look like a deer in the headlights when Joe Biden showed him up on expertise, Wisdom and forethought.

I think it is a sad state of affairs wherein our founding fathers would be ashamed as to the line of bull Americans are willing to digest for a candidate whom not just tells them what they want to hear but someone who changes stances to suit the political wind. wishy washy is an understatement in regards to Edwards. the rethugs would eat him alive.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:23 PM
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5. I'm sorry, but bullshit
Edited on Sat Dec-29-07 02:24 PM by killbotfactory
"After the candidate made the debatable assertion that the Iraq invasion strengthened al-Qaeda in Pakistan"

It's undeniable this is what happened, the Iraq war diverted tons of resources away from fighting al-Qaeda, let them regroup and strengthen their position in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and expanded their base INTO Iraq. This was predicted before the war, and has been continuing ever since the war.

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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:37 PM
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6. Identical bullshit to the MSM smearing of Dean over Saddam's capture.
Remember what happened when he said that the capture of Saddam would not improve the situation in Iraq. Of course he was right, but he was smeared and mauled mercilessly for his "gaffe." That was when the media turned on him and his poll ratings started to plummet. I've been holding my breath hoping that Obama could avoid this crap. I guess we'll see if it's picked up as a meme and how he handles it if it is. (Though I don't know that there's any way to cut through the crap once the media is in full attack mode.) No doubt this will be Russert's BIG question on MTP tomorrow.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 02:40 PM
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7. I remember it well, it still pisses me off
This whole goddamn war is such a gigantic disaster, and all the people who pimped it (washington post included) won't own up to it.
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:21 PM
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10. I agree. He spoke the truth but his timing was maybe off.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:08 PM
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9. Statesman = Edwards. n/t
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:32 PM
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12. edwards= Statesman...
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: oh god your ignorance and willingness to be fooled in regards to edwards, is astounding.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:02 PM
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14. Man, you must be winning over Biden supporters by the dozens with that attitude.
I wonder, what the other Biden supporters think of your freeper tactics.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 07:18 PM
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16. What makes him a statesman?
It couldn't be his votes in the senate. Do statesmen:

vote for NCLB

vote for trade in China

vote for the Patriot Act

have a ADA voting record of 60%

vote for Homeland Security

vote for Yucca mtn

vote for *'s war resolution and co-sponsor the damn thing

vote for bankruptcy bill

vote to exempt fuel refiners from liability

vote against regulation of drinking water

not bother to vote on an Iraq investigation

Stateman, schmateman. He will say anything to expedite his chance at the White House.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 04:32 PM
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13. ..and not a single word about the only man who knows anything...BIDEN
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 05:59 PM
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15. Nice op-ed, the press is waking up :)
:kick:
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 08:27 PM
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17. K&R!!
Thanks! The press is waking up!
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 09:30 PM
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18. John Edwards passed with flying colors! Yeah!
:applause:
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