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[greiner3]

REWARD FOR PROOF GOD EXISTS:
U.S. $100,000.00

TABLE OF CONTENTS
WELCOME TO THE SEARCH FOR GOD
PART I: REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS
Explanation of the Requirements. Evidence That Will Not Be Considered. Examples of Evidence Previously Offered.
PART II: REASONS PROOF GOD EXISTS IS NEEDED
God and Individuals. God and Politics. God and Media. God and Education. God and Religion. God and Fraud.
APPENDIX: Email. References. Challenges. Responses and Rebuttals. An Apology.

WELCOME TO THE SEARCH FOR GOD Table of Contents
GodsReward has 2 objectives: <1> to search for God and <2> to defend the individual right to belief.

<1> Millions of people worldwide are searching for God in their lives. I began searching at five years of age by praying to learn whether God answers prayers. At the age of thirteen I read the entire Old and New Testaments of the Bible. Since then I have read documents of other religions. I have attended services of different religions and spoken with believers of various faiths. In 1996 I began offering a reward for proof God exists. GodsReward expands the offer to reach more people to pursue the first goal to search for God. The first part below explains the requirements for the proof God exists.

<2> The second objective is to defend the individual right to believe as one chooses. In various nations religion is forced upon individuals by inclusion of religious dogma in politics and the law of the land. This occurs in the U.S.A. in violation of the Freedom of Religion guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. As an American patriot, I pledge allegiance to the concepts of the Constitution. Proof God exists is needed to defend the individual right to belief against coercion from the majority in politics and the law of the land. The second part below explains reasons why proof God exists is needed.

http://www.godsreward.com/

I'll split it with you if you are schizophrenic and have a god delusion!

[cloudbase]

1. God does answer prayers.

Most of the time, the answer is "no."

[Speck Tater]

3. The whole "prayer" thing cracks me up.

What's wrong with this picture:

1. God knows everything and has a perfect plan for his creation.
2. Therefore God knows exactly what He intends for my future.
3. BUT ... If I pray real hard maybe I can get God to change His mind about his perfect plan, in order to satisfy some selfish need of my own.

So if God has a plan, He does not need your advice on how to run the world.

If God knows everything, your prayers can't tell Him anything He doesn't already know.

If God already knows how things will turn out what possible effect can your prayers have? To expect your prayers to have any effect is equivalent to saying "God doesn't already know how things will turn out, because he has yet to be swayed by my arguments."

Praying for something is no different than trying to work a magic spell for something. Both are an attempt to sway the "powers that be" to your way of thinking. I think I even saw a book once called "The Magic of Prayer" or something to that effect.

So if prayer works then God does NOT know how everything will turn out ahead of time, because He does not yet know who will pray for what, and how those prayers might convince Him to change His mind.

So either prayer does not work, OR God does not know everything. There is no middle ground on this one.

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. Not to throw a wrench into your theory, but....

"So if prayer works then God does NOT know how everything will turn out ahead of time, because He does not yet know who will pray for what, and how those prayers might convince Him to change His mind."

Maybe he *does* know, and sometimes what you pray for is what he already has planned anyways, so when it comes to fruition, it strengthens belief. The bible says god answers prayers, but it doesn't say he answers them positively. Sometimes the answer is NO.

I'm an atheist myself, but I can still look at logic and fallacies with an open mind...

[Speck Tater]

5. There's a problem with your logic.

If the thing you prayed for was predestined to happen anyway, whether you prayed or not, then your prayer had ZERO effect on the outcome. The fact that what you prayed for happened was NOT a case of prayer causing an outcome, but only coincidence.

If a bowling ball is thrown from an airplane over a barren desert, you might pray that the bowling ball hits the ground, but when it does I don't think anyone would be prepared to grant that your prayer was "answered." You just happened to have prayed for something that was going to happen anyway, whether you prayed or not.

I'm an agnostic myself. Since neither theism nor atheism can be proven, neither is a rational position to take. To quote Stephen Batchelor in Buddhism Without Beliefs, my agnosticism "... is not based on disinterest. It is founded on the passionate recognition that I do not know." (pp19) Anything other than true, fervent agnosticism is based solely on faith; either unproven faith in the existence of God, or unproven faith in the non-existence of God.

ed:typo

[Ghost in the Machine]

7. That's exactly the point I was trying to make....

"If the thing you prayed for was predestined to happen anyway, whether you prayed or not, then your prayer had ZERO effect on the outcome."

But to the mind of the believer, he/she has NO IDEA that it was already preordained or not. They prayed, it happened, their belief is strengthened further. When prayers *aren't* answered, they just shrug it off as "I guess it just wasn't God's will for me to have this"....

It's like a fundie waitress that I had working for me said one night... "I have a friend who prayed and prayed and prayed to have a baby, and finally, NINETEEN YEARS LATER, she got pregnant! See! God *does* answer prayers!"

So I asked her "so does that mean if I pray to a flying pig that has a flag sticking out of its ass to make me win the lottery, and in 15 years I win the lottery, does that mean my prayers to that flying pig were answered"?......... she got a headache and had to go home...

[Swamp Rat]

2. The Bible says so.

gimme my money you dark-sided heathens!!

[rucky]

6. Where's Kirk Cameron's banana guy when you need him?